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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 06:44 PM
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An absolute MUST WATCH: Bill Moyers and Phillippe Sands
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05092008/profile3.html

In his new book, TORTURE TEAM: RUMSFELD'S MEMO AND THE BETRAYAL OF AMERICAN VALUES, Philippe Sands draws on official documents and interviews with key players to explain how the U.S. Military went from interrogations strictly regulated by the U.S. ARMY FIELD MANUAL 34-52 to enhanced interrogations that included sleep deprivation, nudity, stress positions, and water boarding.

As Sands explains in an interview with Scott Horton in THE NEW REPUBLIC:

When the administration released the December 2002 and other memos, it told a story that essentially said this: The new interrogation techniques came from the bottom up and had nothing to do with policy decisions driven from the top. I wanted to explore the truth of that account, by trying to talk to as many of the people involved in the decision as I could.

The narrative begins December 2, 2002, the day Donald Rumsfeld signed a memo from his legal counsel, William J. "Jim" Haynes. The memo, now referred to as "The Haynes Memo", recommended blanket approval for 15 of 18 new interrogation techniques to be used in the Guantanamo Bay detention facility while not rejecting the others.

>>View the Haynes Memo (pdf).

The new rules established three new categories for uncooperative detainees. Category I allowed yelling and deception; Category II required additional permission from higher up the chain of command and allowed twelve new sensory-depravation and humiliation techniques. These included stress positions, falsified documents, isolation, twenty-four hour interrogations, removal of clothing, and the use of individual phobias, such as fear of dogs. The memo only offered blanket approval for one technique in Category III, reserved for the most uncooperative detainees: "mild, non-injurious physical contact." The other techniques, which the memo did not approve or condemn, included convincing the detainee that death or painful consequences were imminent for his family, exposure to cold weather and water, and water-boarding.

Sands wanted to find out where these new techniques came from. Who requested them and why? To reconstruct the process that wrought a fundamental change in U.S. interrogation and detainee policy, Sands conducted hundreds of hours of interviews with key players in the military and the Bush Administration. Sands told his conclussion to Scott Horton:

I have no doubt about the early, close, and active involvement of the upper echelons of the administration in the decision to request, approve and then use harsh techniques of interrogation on "Detainee 063," Mohammed Al Qahtani. The story that emerged from the interviews was clear and it was consistent (plus, I had the opportunity to put my findings to Jim Haynes, who was the final piece of the jigsaw). The administration's 'bottom-up' narrative--as spun by Mr. Haynes and others--is false, inaccurate, and misleading, and I believe it was knowingly intended to be so.

Philippe Sands
Philippe Sands is an international lawyer and a Professor of Law and Director of the Centre on International Courts and Tribunals in the Faculty, and a key member of staff in the Centre for Law and the Environment at the University College of London. As a lawyer he has litigated extensively before the International Court of Justice, the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea, the International Center for the Settlement of Investment Disputes, and the European Court of Justice. He frequently advises governments, international organisations, NGOs and the private sector on aspects of international law. In 2003 he was appointed a Queen's Counsel.

Sands has written numerous books on international law and politics,including LAWLESS WORLD: AMERICA AND BREAKING OF GLOBAL RULES, and most recently, TORTURE TEAM: CRUELTY, DECEPTION AND THE COMPROMISE OF LAW.

Published May 9, 2008.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 06:47 PM
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1. I was urging everyone I knew to watch the
replay of this program (locally KCET repeats Moyers @ 5 on Saturday) This interview was amazing.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 06:48 PM
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2. Even if they must watch it online...they MUST watch it. Amazing is the right description.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 07:01 PM
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3. Thank you for the strong recommendation. I'll watch it tomorrow. (n/t)
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 07:40 PM
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4. This was a wonderful interview...
I agree, everyone should watch this.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:07 PM
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5. The interview was wonderful.........
and Sands is a delight. I have read Lawless World, and am hoping my copy of Torture Team arrives via mail tomorrow!

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hellbound-liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:22 PM
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6.  I agree, Phillippe sands is amazing. I watched him on DemocracyNow too
I highly recommend this interview as well as the piece on the Calif. Nurses Assn. support of single-payer health care. I really like the story about how they beat "Ah-nold" and how they argue that, if Cheney was a regular American without his "Cadillac-level" health care, he'd be dead by now. I don't know how Cheney, Bush and the rest of those bastards can sleep at night.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:31 PM
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7. Those nurses deserve a lot of credit, praise and support.
Edited on Sun May-11-08 08:31 PM by BrklynLiberal
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:29 AM
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8. I agree! Spread the truth in this fellow's words, far & wide!
There must be consequences for the crimes this cabal has committed. The USA can either see to it themselves or sit on their collective congressional asses and wait for the rest of world to decide punishment.

There's another topic going about Sands this weekend, posted by seemslikeadream:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3268562&mesg_id=3268562
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:05 AM
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9. K&R! More people need to see this video and the others of the hearing, too! n/t
Edited on Mon May-12-08 10:07 AM by countryjake
oops! guess I already recommended
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:01 AM
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10. One more kick
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