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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:17 AM
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Poll question: Will the neo cons attack Iran before the election, yes or no?
We've been discussing this issue for years now, but I'm just trying to get a reading on the opinions as we approach the so called end of the bush jr. disaster.
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But.... Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:24 AM
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1. What?
No impeachment?:nuke: I don't care if it 30 second before they leave office, it's still on the table for me! Although sooner is better.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:24 AM
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2. They want to, but I doubt they'll be able to sell the idea after their mess in Iraq
I think America is smart enough to not allow it to happen.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:28 AM
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3. So you think they actually care what we think?
Respectfully, America has allowed MUCH that we shouldn't have.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:35 AM
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6. I doubt Americans have the stomach for another war-of-choice,
given the failures we've already experienced.

The team of Mr. 18% & 28% aren't going to BS us again.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:30 PM
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17. After seven years, do you really think we Imperial Subjects have a drop of power
or even the tiniest mote of influence?

For seven years, and probably more like 30 years, the Bushies have been disconnecting all the burglar alarms of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, Nazifying/Bushifying not just the media (Cable TV has proven particularly suscpetible to Bushification/Nazififcation) but the entire across-the-board spectrum of executive and Law Enforcement Agencies?

Can you actually believe that, after all of that and more, after seven years when it has been conclusively proven that we Imperial Subjects of Amerika are, collectively, the mental spitting image of the Germans who vaulted Hitler to power, and their Democratic Leadership who cowered and complied during the short window they had to FIGHT the German Bushies? Can you actually believe that after all of that, the opinion of we peasants, serfs and assorted brain-dead Amerikan Idol Watchers counts for ANYTHING?

If so, may I have some of what you're smoking? Must be some good shit.


The Bushies may or may not attack Iran (I personally voted "no") but whatever their decision you can be certain of one thing:

It will have nothing nothing NOTHING to do with what we Imperial Subjects of Amerika think about it. Just like Iraq, just like warrantless wiretapping, just like torture and contractors raping women then getting away scot-free, just like all of it these last seven brutal totalitarian years.

Dream on, pal. We Imperial Subjects of Amerika have exactly THIS much power: That of a banana cream pie dropped from a height of three feet, to paraphrase Vonnegut.

I apologize if the truth hurts. Please don't blame the messenger because reality sucks.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:29 AM
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4. we need to find a way from preventing this to ever happen in the first place.
it would have deadly consequences for many.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:30 AM
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5. I think it is highly likely.
Granted, some may still consider them conspiracy theories, but I have heard of a martial law plan and a King Bush coronation ceremony. :puke:

In that case, I'll definitely be plotting my escape to a place where the future King may have big ears, but at least he has a 3 digit IQ to go along with those ears.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:08 AM
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7. If anyone attacks Iran it might be Israel. Could a special election
bring Netanyahu to power????
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:11 AM
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8. What is there to stop them?
Clearly the American "public" has a say only one day every four years, and as Dick has made very clear to all of us "Who cares what they think?"

The only thing that could stop them if they were determined would be impeachment or a military that was willing to subvert such an attack.

An attack before the election is one of my greatest fears.
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:15 PM
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22. One word: RUSSIA and their pack with Iran. Should I say more.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:55 AM
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9. No Remorse....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlGjonzE424

No mercy for what we are doing
No thought to even what we have done
We don't need to feel the sorrow
No remorse for the helpless one

War without end

No remorse No repent
We don't care what it meant
Another day Another death
Another sorrow Another breath
No remorse No repent
We don't care what it meant
Another day Another death
Another sorrow Another breath

Blood feeds the war machine
as it eats its way across the land
We don't need the feel the sorrow
No remorse is the one command

War without end
No remorse No repent
We don't care what it meant
Another day Another death
Another sorrow Another breath
No remorse No repent
We don't care what it meant
Another day Another death
Another sorrow Another breath

Only the strong survive
No one to save the weaker race
We are ready to kill all comers
Like a loaded gun right at your face

War without end
No remorse No repent
We don't care what it meant
Another day Another death
Another sorrow Another breath
No remorse No repent
We don't care what it meant
Another day Another death
Another sorrow Another breath

Attack
Bullets are flying
People are dying
with madness surrounding all hell's breaking loose
Soldiers are hounding
Bodies are mounting
cannons are shouting to take their abuse
With war machines going
Blood starts to flowing
No mercy given to anyone hear
The furious fighting
Swords are like lighting
It all becomes frightening to you
Know death is near
No remorse



Metallica ~ No Remorse ~ Kill 'Em All
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Union Label Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:00 AM
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10. Count on it
Just in time for mclame's numbers to rise in the redneck world.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:30 AM
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11. They will if they want
King George,II to keep his crown.




Sick thinking about...
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:35 AM
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12. I voted "No," but the odds are much closer than I'd like.
I would bet that they won't launch anything that we'd call an "attack" although obviously, they're capable of doing horrible things, and I'd say the odds for my being right are only around 3:2.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:55 PM
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24. ditto - there will be some incident enough to boost McCain, but maybe not a full attack. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:36 AM
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13. The NeoCons don't give a DAMN about seeing fellow Republicans elected unless they are Neocons.
McCain has fallen in line with the Neos because he so desperately needs their support to win.

If it will help Mccain, they'll attack sooner. If it will hurt him, they won't UNTIL Election Day.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:59 PM
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14. ...............
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:15 PM
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15. .............
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:22 PM
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16. Not before the Phony Election, but perhaps not "never"
I'm afraid you omitted THAT option, my friend.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:32 PM
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18. I predict "no"
Edited on Mon May-12-08 08:33 PM by Canuckistanian
But I think they're trying to do their damndest to justify it.

And they KNOW they're being watched and they won't get so much a big show of support as they did with the invasion of Iraq. And the facts just aren't matching their warhawk rhetoric - and they know it.

They're looking to re-create those glory days in 2002 when they thought they had the country's respect and admiration. Then reality set in.

No, call me an idiot, but I think they've realized that they (and the Republican "brand") are FINISHED if they try to pull another Iraq-style "pre-emptive" attack.

But they wants it, oh yesssssss.....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:32 PM
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19. Way'at Philosoraptor!
:hi:


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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:34 PM
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20. I have never doubted that this will happen. I don't doubt it now.
We have eight years of experience with this crew.

Yes, they will attack Iran.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:52 PM
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21. I think you should have given a percentage choice
instead of an up or down. My gut says about a 75% chance of limited strikes. But then, I really suck at poker.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:27 PM
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23. They have already been exposed for the lies about weapons from Iran.
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philly_bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:32 AM
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25. Related question: Odds that Bush will use nuclear weapons before leaves ofc.
A buddy of mine placed that bet with a co-worker.

Of course, he had to give long odds. What were the odds?

Answer: ten-to-one.

Scary.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:40 AM
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26. If you
pay me a million dollars, I will give you the answer.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:24 AM
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27. No, it'll be the next POTUS.
Regardless of whether he/she is a Dem or Repub.

They're all horses from the same stable.

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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:43 AM
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28. I voted "NO"
Edited on Tue May-13-08 11:52 AM by butlerd
But I still am not naive enough to put ANYTHING past Bushco, especially since they have repeatedly demonstrated time and time again that they simply don't care what everybody else thinks or cares about. That being said, despite assurances to the contrary, I really don't think that the military has the capability to handle another serious military conflict right now, which is perhaps one of the most dangerous consequences wrought by our protracted and seemingly indefinite occupation of Iraq IMHO. While I'm sure it would be possible for them to be able to launch some limited/targeted air strikes on Iran (for whatever over hyped and trumped-up reasons that they come back to us with), I have little doubt that there will be some serious consequences resulting from such an action that we may not be able to anticipate and/or adequately respond to and, more importantly, it will undoubtedly put our troops in Iraq in a particularly precarious position if/when Iran decides to retaliate. I honestly don't think that Iran is going to just "sit it out" if we bomb them. Like I said, I could be wrong and I have no doubt that Bush/Cheney are "chomping at the bit" to attack Iran before they leave office but I just don't think that they actually have the manpower (and/or adequate support from within the military brass) to pull something off, particularly unilaterally, that would accomplish their stated goal of regime change (a few bombing runs ISN'T going to do it). Sadly, however, probably the only reason that we haven't attacked Iran, Syria, et. al yet seems to be that our invasion/occupation of Iraq has been such an unmitigated disaster (and it IS a disaster despite its supporters' feeble attempts to prove otherwise) and the extent to which Bushco has invested our economic and military assets into continuing it no matter what.
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