ROFL! Just saw a teevee ad comparing Pelosi to a rubber chicken!

[Oeditpus Rex]

It's for the campaign of Shirley Golub, who's challenging Pelosi for her Congressional seat. She's pro-impeachment.

http://www.shirley08.com/rubber_chicken.php



:rofl:

[maxsolomon]

1. i heart SF

keep ignoring the base, Nancy. as far as we can see, you ain't done shit about iraq.

[Amy6627]

2. I thought Cindy Sheehan was challenging Pelosi? n/t

[derby378]

3. She is, but as an independent

Pity, really. I wish she stayed with the Dems - but I think too many Dems pissed her of over our handling of Iraq.

[Amy6627]

4. I'm sure you are right! n/t

[Fovea]

5. If I had money to spare

She'd be getting some.

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. Fortunately Pelosi has enough financially stable supporters to get her message out

[Winterblues]

7. Yes how fortunate for America, that accountability is "Off the Table"

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. "Off the table" was a campaign promise

One that worked, as voters gave Democrats a majority in the House for the first time in twelve years.

[Winterblues]

10. Funny how I don't recall it that way. I recall "We will end the Iraq War"

If it is as you say that not holding criminals accountable was a campaign promise then America is really in much worse shape than ever could have been imagined..

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. May 12, 2006: Democrats Won't Try To Impeach President

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 12, 2006; Page A06

Seeking to choke off a Republican rallying cry, the House's top Democrat has told colleagues that the party will not seek to impeach President Bush even if it gains control of the House in November's elections, her office said last night.

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) told her caucus members during their weekly closed meeting Wednesday "that impeachment is off the table; she is not interested in pursuing it," spokesman Brendan Daly said.

more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051101950.html

I do not recall Pelosi saying "We will end the Iraq War." Do you have a link?

[Fovea]

12. Let me reparse a key phrase.

'Seeking to choke off a Republican rallying cry'

In a year when they were certain of not losing ground, the Democratic party pre-emptively surrendered defending the Constitution against a criminal junta, hoping to practice collegiality with a fascist horde.

The official reason, if it is the actual one, is inexcusable.
And the person who thinks it a good strategy should not be Speaker.

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. And yet Democrats elected her Speaker

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll002.xml

[Dr Fate]

17. You just spent 4 posts on excuses for not fighting Bush. How about 4 posts with WAYS to fight him?

I've always noticed that the anti-impeachment Bush defenders in the party have an endless arsenal of arguments concerning reasons to protect Bush from impeachment, but very few alternate ways to actually fight him.

Prove me wrong. Match every post where you defend protecting Bush with an alternate way to fight him...make sure they are as well thought out and could net results the same way your pro-Bush arguments do.

[Freddie Stubbs]

49. Impeachment is not the only way to fight

Passing tough but popular bills which force Bush to either veto them or acquiesce would be far more effective.

[derby378]

41. Nancy Pelosi did not speak for me when she said that...

She's been a disappointment. Hope she gets pasted in the primary race. We need some more new blood in the House.

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. Hope alone doesn't win elections

[cascadiance]

19. "Off the table" was what helped? SERIOUSLY doubt it!

I think the Americans were faced with a choice of those actually committing criminal acts vs. those that want to let them off the hook. Noone had a shot at running against these two parties fairly to present an alternative that would have held criminals responsible for their actions. Given that choice, we voted for those that didn't commit criminal acts, not for them letting them off the hook!

When Pelosi leads congress into passing Instant Runoff Voting into law, where we might actually be able to have that choice, then I don't think she'd have impeachment "off the table" as the corporate lobbyists probably are limited to being able to buy off the top two parties and not every candidate that comes into the mix for various offices. Hope that Nader uses that as his negotiation card to pull out of the race later (getting Instant Runoff Voting made into law).

[Dr Fate]

20. In fact, "corruption" was a top, if not #1 issue with many voters in 2006.

Pelosi could have easliy framed prime time, on TV, "under oath" impeachment investigations as "corruption" investigations, at least at first.

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Corruption in Congress, or corruption in the Executive branch?

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

27. LOL! Are you suggesting these voters were FOR corruption in the executive branch? LOL!

Political & Wash DC Corruption in general was a top issue- any voter who recognized corruption in congress certainly recognized it as being a "DC" problem, that includes Bush/Cheney, not just the congress who did their bidding.

That's now at least 5 posts on one thread you have dedicated to excuses for defending Bush.

How about 5 posts dedicated to WAYS that the DLC/Blue dogs will FIGHT him or punish his corruption in a meaningful way. Can you do it?

I'm all about meaningful alternatives to impeachment as well- can you come up with many posts as to that as you come up with excuses for defending him?

[Freddie Stubbs]

48. I have seen no evidence that it hurt Democrats chances

Just this year Democrats have added three seats to their majority in the House.

[Dr Fate]

14. Pop the champagne corks- the Bush defenders won!!!! The pro-constitution crazies lost again!!!

Bush won-he gets off scott free- and those crazy nut-roots people were stopped in their tracks once again- that'll show them to try to get the Blue Dogs, DLCers & "centrists" to actually fight Republicans for once in their careers.

The nerve. FIGHT Bush? LOL!

Impeach a Republican? HELL NO. That's crazy far left stuff- real DEMS defend Bush and come up with more arguments against impeaching him than WAYS to attack him!

Thank god Bush won that potential fight and was kept safe from impeachment, right?

Impeachment against a Republican will never happen as long as the "centrists" are there to protect them from the crazy DEMS- VICTORY! IN YOUR FACE!!! You want to impeach WHO? Not on the DLC's watch!!! Ahhh-victory-Bush is safe for another day!!!

(sound of party favors & champagne corks popping)

;)

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. Smart Democrats know how to pick their battles

I suppose that's why Nancy Pelosi is Speaker and people like Shirley Golub will usually remain fringe candidates.

[Dr Fate]

18. LOL!-Like the Iraq war, for instance? Yeah-Tell us all about those "smart" DLC & Bluedog Democrats

They choose their battles all right- they know that they would rather fight the left and anti-war moderates than the Republicans they agree with any day.

Many of the same DEMS chose their battle when they supported the war and they are still choosing the same battles for the same side, with the same results...

They can spend ALL day giving you excuses for fighting impeachment harder than they ever DREAMED of fighting against Bush or his war-and they deliver results for Bush on that.

When it comes to actually holding Bush accountable on the war or corruption, where are all the passionate arguments & creative talking points that net results?

For a change, certain DEMS should try coming up with ways of fighting Bush instead attacking the left or crafting excuses for defending Bush.

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. If voters are so unhappy with how Democrats are running Congress, why are they sending more

Democrats to Washington?

Bill Foster and Don Cazayoux were both elected as Democrats this year from districts which had been controlled by Republicans for decades.

[Dr Fate]

37. And that happened b/c the DLC & Bluedogs side with Bush? I dont think so...

You seem to be straying from the subject.

Just because voters are starting to choose DEMS over the Republicans they acknowledge as more corrupt doesnt mean that protecting Bush from accountability over said corruption is a good thing.

I note that you always skip over all my points and just bring up new ones.

I wish you guys were a s crafty in fighting Bush as you are in arguing in his defense.

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. What about the Blue Dog who was elected from Mississippi just this week?

Was he running on a pro-impeachment platform?

[cascadiance]

21. I'm BETTING if impeachment were on the table that congress's approval ratings would be higher than *

and to have lower approval ratings than Bush is pretty lame in my book.

No Democrats BACKED into office because America was fed up with Republicans, not swallowing the BS that Pelosi and the DLC/DCCC crowd were spewing to us. There's probably not much they could have said differently save "they're joining the Republican Party" that would have kept them from taking congress in 2006. The reason they ran the election they did, was because they could keep their corporate paymasters happy with those positions, NOT us!

[Dr Fate]

23. Yeah- the "off the table" Congress has record low aprroval ratings...

And nothing has really been done about the 2006 voters's top issue: corruption...

...but at least the DLC/Blue-Dog/Lieberman types showed those pro-Constitution moderates & nut-roots people who the real boss is, right?

"Impeach Bush? No sir- not on our watch- we will fight those nuts harder than we ever DREAMED of fighting Bush himself..."

[cascadiance]

28. Yup gotta keep the "little people" the "little people"!

And us big people will just move around to different camps to protect our "well being"... Bush is our opponent in this WWE match this time around...

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. How exactly is Pelosi 'fighting' the nut-roots?

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

35. How many posts have you dedicated to defending Bush now? Ten? How about 10 ways to fight Bush?

And to answer your question, Pelosi has opposed impeachment and has yet to offer any alternative to holding Bush accountable.

She has fought pro-Constitution DEMS & moderates by protecting Bush from an impeachment movement of some kind.

Her defenders have more excuses for opposing impeachment than they have ways to hold Bush accountable- isnt that right?

[cascadiance]

38. And Iowa City Rethuglicans cheer you're spelling of their hero!

:) :)

[Dr Fate]

39. I'll wonder if they oppose Impeachment more than certain DUers do do?

Call it a tie, perhaps?

I'll bet those types join forces to fight the netroots & "activists" on any number of issues. The invasion of Iraq & impeachment are just 2 of the big ones.

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. When Kucinich tried to bring up impeachment REPUBLICANS in the House supported it

I wonder why.

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. duplicate

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. They ran a smart campaign which yielded the desired result:

Democratic majorities in the House and Senate.

[cascadiance]

34. Which turns around and spends its "valuable time" doing nothing...

... that doesn't get fillibustered or vetoed, or signed into law if Bush likes it.

We NEEDED IMPEACHMENT to have some government that worked in place!

It's not just about "winning" like a football game. It's about what those people who "win" do for the American people who ARE THEIR BOSSES!

[Freddie Stubbs]

44. Nothing? Who raised the minimum wage?

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

36. Really? Then why do I hear "we dont have the votes" every five minutes?

Some majority. And record low approval ratings to boot.

[Freddie Stubbs]

45. The majority in the Senate is slim, but the House's is certainly growing

The majority in the House just grew by one last night. If that's the result of record low approval ratings, I say let's have more of the same!

[Cerridwen]

42. You mean like the Gore/Perot debate picture in your posts?

"Smart Democrats know how to pick their battles"

Ah, huh. Those "smart Democrats" have done well for us, haven't they?

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. Clinton and Gore were reelected by a wide margin in 1996

They must have done something right.

[Greyhound]

43. IOW, she has given enough rich people our wealth that they want her to stay in office.

She and Feinstein are both utterly shameless and it is indicative of just how divided the bay area is between those that have more than they can possibly use and those with nothing.

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. Are there more voters in her district who "have more than they can possibly use" than

voters "with nothing?"

If not, she probably won't be reelected.

[lame54]

8. I say VOTE Shirley Golub

[lonestarnot]

15. on what network?

[shaniqua6392]

22. I wish Pelosi would lose her seat.

She is a spineless traitor who is sitting in a cushy office in Washington, D.C. doing nothing while our troops spill their blood in Iraq and Afghanistan. I will have to send some money to Shirley right away.

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. The maximum contribution is $2300

[jgraz]

24. The primary is fast approaching... please help Shirley get this ad on SF TV

At least K&R this thread.

[EFerrari]

26. Go, Shirley!

[dkofos]

29. That rubber chicken has more spine than our fearless leader!!

[EFerrari]

40. Kick

[cascadiance]

46. Just heard two radio ads for Shirley tonight on KGO radio tonight here in bay area...

Has made my visit more pleasant to hear at least one sane voice talking on the radio about how impeachment should be on the table!