FR: "Fascism was anti-religious" Rewrite of WWII History for the Ignorant

[K8-EEE]

How dumb do you have to be to believe these "facts?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2015346/posts

[lolly]

1. Yeah--I can't go there

Don't want to visit the Freepers, but I have seen this thinking before.

I've had students who claim that secularism is responsible for the Holocaust. It's apparently a very common way of teaching the Holocaust in Christian private schools.

Many "Christians" have recast the Holocaust so that it wasn't Jews who were the primary targets, but religion itself, therefore making themselves into victims. In their minds, in fact, they are more victimized than Jews, especially "secular" Jews, since they have more religion and they have the "right," or the "completed" religion, so the secularists running the Holocaust would've hated them even more. :eyes:

[sakabatou]

4. I wonder if they ever tried to erase "Gott mit Uns..."

[BayouBengal07]

6. Just for visual reference...

for those who didn't get that comment

[sakabatou]

7. Eerie how the eagle on the dollar looks like theirs....

[emperor124]

2. Cause Paganism is inherently evil dontchya know

[lolly]

3. Well, I dunno

While I've seen some of them accuse Nazis of some form of paganism (I think the Pope actually did this, in his apology for Catholic inaction during the Holocaust?) they seem to be just as fearful of secularism. To them, there is no good at all, no possibility of being anything but evil, if one doesn't put religion above all else.

Now that I think about it, however, they may, in their confused little brains, think Paganism is some form of secularism, especially if they've redefined "secularism" as "not Judeo-Christian."

[noel711]

8. Hitler had his own brand of 'religion'...

it wasn't what we'd consider the 'usual' church-y religion of Germany during that time.

It could be considered a kind of paganism.. because he worshiped himself, and white supremacy.
He only 'used' the established church in Germany of that time,
and they were intimidated by his brand of oppression, and said absolutely nothing.
The established church was complicit by silence.

There were some leaders in the church (Dietrich Bonhoeffer) who tried to conspire against
Hitler on moral grounds, but they were snuffed out.

[K8-EEE]

10. well sure, * worships himself and money and the saudis BUT

BushCo uses Xtians & Xtian imagery to get elected, IMO in the same way --

To say the Nazis movement not Christian, that's just not right!!

[noel711]

13. Just because Bush claims to be Christian...

doesn't make it so. There are many who hide behind the term "christian" and make it laughable.
Jesus called them 'wolves in sheep's clothing.' Bush has a lot to answer for because of all
of the death and grief his administration has caused.

The Nazi's were not mainstream 'christian.' Why is that not right?
Because they 'used' the established church in Germany?
Real 'christians' would not have followed the atrocities.
Do some research yourself into the Third Reich.

Even Jesus said that there will be many false prophets.
What is it that makes someone 'christian' and another not so?
It has nothing to do with some self-imposed definition.. I can call myself a supermodel,
and tell you that here and now, but it would be a lie, known only to myself.

Scripture defines the truly faithful as "you shall know them by their fruits."
Jesus defined it in Matthew 25, to paraphrase: Did you feed the hungry? Did you clothe the naked?
did you visit the imprisoned? In truth, those who showed mercy were his true followers.

[K8-EEE]

15. Yes but Bush USED Christians & Christianity like Hitler did

Whenever evil is done by Christians, or supported by Christians, then they aren't "real."

which is why when politicians start posting like the holiest guy on the block this should set off alarm bells, which is why they continue to LIE about how governments use religion for evil purposes.

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's....

Religion merged with government corrupts both.

[noel711]

17. You miss my point....

I say I'm the most beautiful supermodel you ever saw....

I'm 5'6", 105 pounds, blonde, with measurements that make men melt.

But does my saying so.. make it reality? NO way.

Same thing with using the name "Christian."
Just saying so doesn't make it so.
I don't give a damn what politicians say.. they can call themselves blonde supermodels for all I care, but it doesn't make it so.

There are all kinds of folks who claim some sort of superiority..
they are not christians but liars.

I don't care what some politician says.. it's just political expediency to claim that.
They can lie, steal, kill, main, the whole nine yards.
And their actions betray their true motives.

The correct quote is "REnder unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."
It isn't about merging religion with politics.. at all..
It's about being careful not to allow politics to usurp true alliegence to the divine.
Jesus said that while holding a coin with the profile of Caesar upon it.
The Roman Emporer declared himself a god. Jesus said no emperor was a god. Not even our current Chimporer.. that's why our country is supposed to have separation of church and state.
But that's been blurred because of political expediency..

I'm not debating Christianity over politics.. I probably agree with you.
My point was that Hitler was not a christian, but used it as a false face to gain power.
Just as the republicans did.

[AnnieBW]

16. Hitler wasn't a Pagan

Himmler was a believer in Aryanism, which was basically Norse Paganism mixed with their anti-Semitic and racial purity bullshit. Hitler apparently thought it was all crap, but used the imagery that Himmler drew up. They warped Norse Pagan beliefs as much as they warped Christianity.

[emperor124]

18. I might be wrong

But weren't more interested in those old Nordic gods? Just heard this from someone, not sure if it's accurate

[SidDithers]

5. Sure it was...

Sid

[Disturbed]

9. Fascist countries: Italy, Spain & Germany.

All of them were Christian countries; mostly Catholic

[ColbertWatcher]

14. Spain's fascism depended on the church...

...and the military and corporations.

The GOP trifecta.

[K8-EEE]

11. Nazis had mandatory prayer to JESUS in schools....

A lot of their agenda with the religion & state, protection from evil religions, "liberating" lesser peoples etc. sounds just like BushCo propaganda.

I've seen a lot of "just kill them all" posts over there about Muslims -- how Nazi can you get?

[panzerfaust]

12. Hitler stated he was called to finish the job Jesus had started

Which job Hitler stated was "To exterminate The Jew".

Read Mein Kampf.

Also read my post today about the heroine, Irena Sendler, who saved many Jewish children from the LEGAL and POLITICALLY CORRECT extermination camps.

Additionally, consider that Hitler, a Roman Catholic, was never excommunicated by the Holy Mother Church ...

[kskiska]

19. Anti-religious?

much, much more…
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm