Ok , I have a confession to make , I am an H1-B visa recipient , hate me all you want, I don't care

[UndertheOcean]

This is the only way I can immigrate to this country that I love.

I am a researcher in the field of power electronics and photo voltaic systems , with numerous publications and patents in the field, In fact , a product that will hit the market soon and make PV systems much more efficient includes some of my innovation , not to mention the purely theoretical work that our team is pushing through NSF and other such venues ?

You are telling me that I have no right to settle and immigrate to this country , while a much less qualified person , who is not as innovative , deserves my job more just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?

flame away

[eleny]

1. What concerns us is that qualified Americans are being dumped out of jobs

We don't blame you for that.

[AP]

117. The H1B process is so time-consuming, if there were an equally qualified American, she would get job

[AnotherMother4Peace]

198. No, not true. The employer needs to prove a few things:

That they made an effort to find U.S. workers, and were unable to do so - This process is very easily circumvented. I used to process these applications years ago. And that is how it worked back then.

[AP]

253. It's easier to hire the equally qualified American. We've had this discussion where I work too.

[AngryOldDem]

149. Exactly.

What concerns us is that qualified American workers are being passed over for, or their jobs given to, H1-B recipients.

In my opinion, the OP is an example of how the program should work. It should provide opportunities for all workers, and not be a conduit for cheaper labor for corporations here that are looking to improve their image with stockholders or otherwise run "leaner and meaner." Corporations are at fault for abusing the program, not those who are holding the Visas.

No flames here.

[But....]

2. Slow down there just a minute...

this is a democratic site, not repub. If you want to be flamed find one of those.

[devilgrrl]

3. So what's it like making peanuts for a job that should be paying well into 6 figures?

:popcorn:

"while a much less qualified person , who is not as innovative , deserves my job more just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?"

Nice wide paint brush you got there sparky, your love of our nation and it's people has been noted.

[MonkeyFunk]

37. How do you know

what s/he is being paid?

I work in an industry that has a fair number of foreign workers - they get paid pretty well - the same as other people here doing the same job.

[devilgrrl]

44. So you're saying that H1-B's aren't driving down salaries and that's all a bunch of hooey?

I stand corrected.

Also, I take it that H1-B's are truly more talented and innovative than their American born "lottery winner" counterparts???

Golly, forgive me for thinking otherwise.

[MonkeyFunk]

54. Why put an argument in my mouth?

I asked how you know the OP is being paid less than others in the field?

I spoke about my experience in my field - we don't hire foreign workers because they're cheap. We hire them because they can do the job.

[devilgrrl]

77. I don't know what he's paid but I do know that a few in our office are on the cheap!

nor do I hear good things about their work. Of course, there are others who are VERY good, I don't bring this topic up at work because I do like several of them and it really isn't fair to judge. Believe me when I say that I have very mixed emotions about it all. But I truly believe that big business is pushing for more H1-B's to drive down salaries. :shrug:

Thankfully, the people I'm friends with in our office don't share the OP's assertion that American born citizens are less worthy than their foreign counterparts. However, regarding Republicans and freepers, they may be onto something...

[mac2]

57. They are millions of "union breakers" who

come here to get rich. They don't love us or our goal to be "one". They are the self interested who would steal everything for themselves. They are lawless.

We made millions of them citizens in the last amnesty yet that wasn't enough slave labor. You and my children to be slaves.

[shireen]

45. me too ....

it's distressing to see all H1-B visa holders lumped together to be regarded with such contempt by some people.

I also love this country. And I came here under a H1 visa.

Welcome to the US, undertheocean, and the very best of luck to you.

[UndertheOcean]

47. Hi fellow immigrant !

I am fed up with all the H1-B haters in here , its one of the only ways to immigrate to this country if you don't have immediate family here.

[devilgrrl]

82. You can stay if you share your recipes and music.

:silly:

List a few Syrian musicians that we should check out.

Thanks.

[devilgrrl]

124. Oh, don't tell me, you're putting us on and you're not really from Damascus.

Go figure. :popcorn:

[UndertheOcean]

127. I was born in Damascus....lived 15 years in the UAE , and 9 years in Jordan

[devilgrrl]

128. Fine. Now, who should we check out on iTunes?

I like music from that region. The food is good too.

[UndertheOcean]

132. Well, My favourites are :

Fairouz : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb2h-SXAvUE

Majida el Roumi : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa3KHLdad5o&feature=related

Ilham Madfai : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jthl4IwXpE

Marcel Khalifeh : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pApKytduK0

I like Wadee'e el safi too and um kulthum.

To tell you the truth, I am more into classical music , so I don't know about Arabic music as much as I should

[devilgrrl]

144. Thank you for sharing :-)

Check this one out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJJ-SizCUIE

[uppityperson]

240. Fairouz/Feirouz, Hakim, Ali Hassan Kuban, Um Kalthum

Thanks for the other recommendations, will check them out.

Fairouz is just wonderful, Hakim is popular Egyptian, Ali Hassan Kuban is Nubian (he recently died), um Kalthum is older style and very good.

A woman playing along with Ali Hassan Kuban, but you can hear him well. http://youtube.com/watch?v=JI3QOpGznrM

Hakim is quite popular, does a lot of music.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kFBnb0TfxGI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hqhk4Fg52Wc

[sybylla]

215. Well, I don't hate you, UndertheOcean

About 10 years ago I helped an H1-B visa applicant work to get his permanent residency because his employer was intentionally sabotaging the process. The longer they dragged their feet, the more it cost him (keeping his family of 8 in poverty) and the longer they could keep him working like a dog. Until then, I didn't have the remotest understanding the politics of the H1-B visa.

The problem is not you, but the corporations who, in partnership with our government, take advantage of you and your circumstances both abroad and here to recruit cheap labor they can use and abuse with a pittance of a penalty if any at all. What H1-B visa holder will complain or file a report when it means they have to start the visa conversion process all over again with a different employer - if they can find another in their area willing to do it?

In the end, American workers do suffer for it.

So that unfortunately puts you in the middle of the problem and makes you its poster child. Everyone throws eggs at you as if you can do anything about it. It's no different than when previous waves of immigrants came here. We blamed them for all kinds of economic ills. And like previous immigrants, you're just trying to make a life for yourself and your family.

Those who have problems with H1-B visas should be lobbing eggs at their legislators and the INS (with their shameful H1-B visa rules and penalties) instead.

I wish you luck with your petition for permanent residency and eventually citizenship.

[treestar]

208. The law even provides that foreign workers have to be paid the

prevailing wage - so this claim, when it comes to legal aliens, is either deliberately false or from a misled person.

Illegal aliens may work for less than minimum wage. But if you want to make an employee legal, the government supervises you to make sure you don't undercut the U.S. worker.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

220. but they ave used H1B's

to freeze the minimum wage: They dont have to compete to keep their worker pool because the worker pool cant leave for greener pastures. The net, long term, effect is depressed wages..

[sybylla]

222. There are problems with the prevailing wage

It's primarily based upon what someone in that position would make as a government employee. But the government wages for tech jobs are far below the market rate - so for greedy tech corporations, H1-B visas are dirt cheap. That's why the tech industry is the primary user and abuser of the H1-B visa program and why they are the ones clamboring for increases in their numbers.

In fact, H1-B visas are so dirt cheap that many corporation can thumb their noses at the law when it comes to fair treatment of H1-B visa employees and pay far less in penalties than they are saving in salary, if the infractions are even reported by these visa holders who don't want to lose their job since that means returning to the country of origin. By fair treatment, I mean withholding things American workers have come to expect like vacation time, sick time, comp time and other benefits readily given to American employees working under the same roof. This also extends to the fact that most tech jobs are exempt from overtime pay and certain other benefits hourly employees get. That means a corporation can work an H1-B visa holder (who can't quit) 60, 80, even 100 hour weeks for that low paying salary. That's essentially a two-fer: an employee who does the work of two for the price of one - with no complaints.

It's essentially codified slavery for the tech industry. Corporations love it because there are millions of tech workers in 2nd and 3rd world countries who would jump at the chance for a two year stint in America no matter how they are treated.

American workers despise the program for a reason.

[OhioChick]

247. Workers on visas easy to exploit

Workers on visas easy to exploit

May 11, 2008

Once again cries are arising from the information technology industry that it is facing a huge and desperate shortage of qualified programmers and software engineers ("Long wait for scarce visas," May 2).

To remain competitive - and to maintain America's lead in IT - industry leaders insist they must bring in hundreds of thousands of guest workers from abroad. That's the hype.

The reality is as it has always been: There are plenty of Americans willing and able to fill virtually every open IT position. It's just that American employers don't want to hire them.

Employers don't seek to hire H-1B workers because they are desperate for programming talent they can't find here.

What they really want, to quote Professor Norman Matloff of the University of California, Davis, is "cheap, compliant labor."

The H-1B visa is a non-immigrant work visa and is, in fact, a form of indentured servitude.

The H-1B worker is bound to his sponsoring employer much as an indentured servant in colonial times was bound to his master.

An H-1B worker who is fired must find another sponsoring employer or leave the country within 10 days.

Most H-1B workers also hope to qualify for a green card - a process that can take up to six years. But this too requires employer sponsorship, and if an H-1B worker changes employers, he or she must begin the entire process anew.

Needless to say, an H-1B worker has essentially zero bargaining power with a sponsoring employer. (He certainly doesn't want to make his boss angry by telling him to go shove it when the boss insists he work 14 hours a day for eight hours' pay, now, does he?)

And if the H-1B worker has no bargaining power, neither does anyone competing with that worker for the same job.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/letters/bal-ed.le.letters11m4may11,0,640718.story

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

219. Not in my experience

and on top of it:

1) They work them like animals 15-20 hours a week over 40 is the standard
2) They know they have people who cant change jobs..

[slutticus]

112. Wow. So just because he/she is an immigrant they make peanuts?

WTF?

My company employs many H1Bs, hell...one even works for me.

Your quickness to judge based on ethnicity/place-of-origin has been noted.

[devilgrrl]

118. So is everyone that's upset with the issue just a bunch of Chicken Little's?

My company employs them too! They don't make as much and many are not all that!

So there!

Nah, HB-1's aren't lowering labor costs - they're just better than us!

You're full of it.

Do kindly point out which ethinicity/place-of-origin I brought up?

[slutticus]

123. Why would someone on a visa make less than anyone else?

You jumped to a conclusion that this person makes less simply because they are on a visa.
I see no other explanation for this other than you came to that conclusion based on place of origin.

I don't believe for a second that your H1Bs make less than everyone else. Actually, H1Bs are a pain in the ass to hire these days (especially after 9/11). I think they can cost a company quite a bit to keep around.

And if your company does pay them less...then you work for a pretty shitty company.

[devilgrrl]

126. Yes, my company is shitty.

But thanks for basically stating that our own aren't worth the bother.

[slutticus]

129. I didn't say that and I certainly don't believe that.

My company will only hire an H1B if they are the top candidate for the position. Just like anyone else. They are not discriminated against nor are they treated with higher favor.

In fact, I think a lot of them are under added pressure to perform because they know the extra measures required to keep them around (which may explain the seemingly arrogant nature of the OPs post....or he just might be arrogant...who knows.........).

Now if you want to talk about OUTSOURCING.....that's a different story.

I'll be on your side in that thread :)

[mac2]

225. We had a friend who was a Canadian engineer here on a Visa.

He tried to stay here and had a hard time of it. He did make the same as the other engineers in the company.

[treestar]

207. Check out the law on the subject

Your statement is false. You do not know what they are making or are making this up.

And why would they be worse workers as a group, without a xenophobic position that all foreigners are stupider than Americans?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

216. DUPE

Dupe

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

218. Ive been rather unimpressed with the IT skills of H1B's

As a pool they are not as good as American IT workers.. Let me qualify:

Some who are really IT professionals are as good but a decent number of H1B's are not professional IT workers. Ive worked with guys who have biology degrees but knew how to make rational reports, they were *useless* cheap and would work 65-80 hours a week, which was good because it took them that long to do what the IT professionals did in 35

[mac2]

229. That was my experience with some research HIBs too.

Every country does not have the same education level. They don't know our culture and way of doing work either. That comes with time and training which in a way makes them just as expensive if not more.

[tkmorris]

4. I don't think anyone is saying that

You said: "You are telling me that I have no right to settle and immigrate to this country , while a much less qualified person , who is not as innovative , deserves my job more just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?".

That's the problem. H1-B's are supposed to be used for people like you, but most often they are used to cut payroll costs at the expense of an American employee who is at least as qualified as the person hired with the H1-B. It's outsourcing in another format.

[cynatnite]

5. As far as I'm concerned anybody can come here as long as they work...

just like the rest of us slobs. I've yet to see an illegal or legal immigrant act like my lazy no-account brother-in-law who used to live with us.

The doors should be open to anyone who wants to come here and work. The more productive this country is...the better it is, IMO.

[Duke Newcombe]

12. Correction.

The doors should be open to anyone who wants to LEGALLY come here and work.


Just saying.


Duke

[cynatnite]

17. Legally or illegally...makes no difference to me...

People have been coming through our southern border since I was a kid and I never met one single person that lost their job because of them. They worked their asses off, didn't break the law and supported their families. They left the most abject poverty you can imagine...I've seen it and I can tell you I would break immigration laws in order to feed my family.

Any sane person who loved their children would do it.

I have no problem with it at all.

[Fumesucker]

146. You never met anyone who lost a job thanks to illegal immigration?

Obviously you don't know any construction workers..

The construction trades have been greatly effected by illegal immigrant labor. It's very difficult for American citizens to compete in the construction trades now and it's not entirely due to wages, workmen's comp is almost as big an issue as wages. Companies don't pay workmen's comp on illegals and they have to on legally employed citizens.. Workmen's comp is very expensive in the construction trades.

[cynatnite]

150. No, I have not...

A lot of the legal and illegal immigrants I knew worked in areas where majority of people refused to do the work. That was mostly in agriculture. Most of the construction work I've been around has been done primarily by whites. Not all areas of the country are alike.

[Fumesucker]

178. I know all areas of the country are not the same

But I find it really hard to believe that there is that great a difference.

[mac2]

195. Not here in Chicago. They work everywhere from construction to restaurants.

A lot of our agricultural business has moved off-shore. Areas of California once rich and prosperous farm areas don't have jobs for them. They do work on small dairy farms here in the Midwest for low wages and long hours.

[reformedrethug]

203. You need to go to Nashville then Cyatnite

I worked construction for a while when I lived there and if you go to any construction site down there and 95% of the people there are hispanic. Drywallers, bricklayers, painters, you name it they are working on it. IF they are legal immigrants I say good for you, if they are illegal immigrants THEN I have a problem. Lets face facts here, if somebody is employing illegal's they dont have to pay workers comp as one poster already brought up, also they can pay lower wages because who is the worker going to complain too? This drives the labor costs down for those that are here legally AND american workers, why pay somebody 15.00 an hour when you can get an illegal to do it for half of that PLUS save the workers comp and other benefits costs?

To say that illegal immigrants are not a big problem is ignorant at least.

That said I welcome ANY legal Immigrant to this country with open arms and would and have done anything I can to help them out.

[treestar]

209. Many of whom work under the table in construction.

The "illegality" of this type of work by US citizens is never of such concern to those who think it is absolutely horrible for someone from another country to work without U.S. government permission.

I remember when, ironically, before the 1986 employer sanction laws, illegal aliens paid their taxes, while there were US citizens who worked under the table and did not pay taxes!

[countryjake]

244. That is a little known reality about all of this hatred...

construction was and still is a trade that was used by many fathers to get around the "system"...faced with the sometimes overwhelming burden that they "owed" their children child-support based upon their income, working under the table in construction and the building trades became the preferred method of reducing their monthly payments to ex-wives and too many children.

It is, truly, ironic, that so many yapping about the law and order aspect of undocumented migrant workers, are merely ruing the day that deadbeat dads all over this nation could use such methods to cheat their own kids, by working "under the table".

Thank you for bringing this up.

[reformedrethug]

254. First of all

I have a problem with ANYBODY working under the table, I dont care if your red, yellow, green, or blue. You work you pay your taxes PERIOD.

Just one question tho, how could they pay federal taxes without a SSN?

[mac2]

159. You have to be kidding?

In the Chicago area there are whole industries. Engineers see it all the time when they go in to do work.

[Fumesucker]

175. Are you replying to me or to cynatnite? n/t

[mac2]

196. Both I think.

[cynatnite]

183. I've never lived in Chicago n/t

[mac2]

193. Most big cities see more illegals than other areas of the country.

They can hide there. There is also more employment by people who will hire them for cheap labor.

Cook County board (where O'Hare airport is located) and the City of Chicago has declared themselves a Sanctuary area for illegal immigrants. They failed to do that before the election for public office. It was forced on the citizens. So you can imagine the immigrants...illegal and legal we have from all over the world.

The City of Chicago did close down illegal document places and the people (mostly illegals) protested outside. They made Social Security cards, licenses, etc. That goes a bit over the top of lawlessness don't you think?

[cynatnite]

201. They can hide in agricultural areas quite well, too...

Lots of opportunities for seasonal work. They can move around the country and are almost like migrant workers. I've seen it first hand for a lot of years.

[mac2]

202. Migrant workers finally had some type of protection and

benefits now that has been destroyed. Illegals sleep even in the public parks and forests in California.

What desparate a state our world is in today.

[Richard Steele]

20. Yeah, just like your ancestors got VISAs from the Native American government, right?

Oh, waaait a second...

[UndertheOcean]

22. exactly

[Duke Newcombe]

23. No. My ancestors had a "involuntary immigration plan" forced upon them.

Feeling stupid, now?

Defense rests.


Duke

[Richard Steele]

49. You got a LINK for that, or should we all just take your word for it?

nm

[Duke Newcombe]

63. Awww...nice of you to stalk me to another thread, Dick...

you're just so funny...link, he said...ROTFLMAO!!!


Duke

[Richard Steele]

74. So, you have NOTHING to back up your claims. What a surprise.

nm

[Duke Newcombe]

83. Wow. So, you're a slavery denier, now?

My ancestors, what....won free cruise tickets here via Holland America lines?

You're a real card, my little friend.

Duke

[Richard Steele]

102. Yes. I'm a big fat "slavery denier". Run and tell everyone. Do it now.

What a ridiculous strawman.
Posters like this almost make me miss cgrindley.

Almost.

[mac2]

158. Your slavery and right to be in America is a given.

There were many indentured slaves who were forced to come here. They weren't all from Africa. The British sent their prisoners here as slave labor to settle Georgia, etc.

I'm talking about this century...the here and now.

[Duke Newcombe]

200. My statement still stands.

For those folks, even if it were possible (that the Native American tribes issued visas!), for them, the "property", it wasn't an option.

Duke

[cynatnite]

24. oops. my bad n/t

[Duke Newcombe]

28. And lest you forget your history...

Most modern nations were formed via conquest, pacification of the indigenous population, or miscegenation overtook them. Borders didn't exist, then were created by ethnic concentration, then codified, and re-codified.

But you don't let things like facts get in the way of a good meme, do you?

May I suggest you avail yourself of some more American History studies before you become a citizen of ours?

Duke

<edited for spelling and reduced snark>

[Richard Steele]

55. What's really SAD is: you think that post SUPPORTS your position, don't you?

Wow. 2 + 2 = 2 much? :silly:

[Duke Newcombe]

67. RIF, "Dicksteele"...

The point being, that conquest and reconquest is part of the human condition. If we trotted out the whole "did you ask indigenous group X for your Visa" argument, EVERYONE would be illegals. It is mere sophistry.

Unfortunately for that weaksauce argument, this government is in control of this land mass at this time in history. We get to make the rules for ingress and egress. Got it?

BTW, "Dicksteele"...compensate much?

Duke

[Richard Steele]

79. If Reading Is Fundamental, why are so many of you Fundamentalists barely semi-literate?

[The Inquisitive]

103. Does this poster have a tendency to act like this frequently?

Based on a series of knee jerk reactionary arguments I'm getting the feeling that this one is beyond reason and might warrant me using the ignore function.

[Duke Newcombe]

120. Only when being stalked from thread to thread.

As for "ignore", do whatever you feel makes your world most serene.

Duke

[Richard Steele]

125. Yup. Use the "search" function to review a few of his posts, and see for yourself.

No matter how randomly you choose the posts, his PATTERN
quickly becomes clear.

The "sock-puppetry" angle is a new development- that might take
a day or two to pin down, so I'll not mention it here tonight.

KnowhutImean?

[Richard Steele]

92. Oh, by the way "Duke" (if that -IS- your real name, lol)...

You just stuck your foot in a BIG bucket of the ol' warm-n-brown...

We all know where your username came from- and that name tells us that
you are desperate for a "tough guy" persona, but not clever enough
to even think of an original NAME for one.

And what most DUers also know, after 24 thousand of my posts,
is that my username is my real name.

My birth certificate says "Richard Steele", just like my Dad's does.
My friends call me "Dick".
You aren't my friend- you may refer to me as "dicksteele", "Mr. Steele",
or "Sir". Anything else will be taken as insulting, as you no doubt
intend it as such.


You're amusing to watch, y'know- every time you fail to successfully
piss up a rope, you declare the rope to be defective and go looking
for another one.

It's just fucking FASCINATING, and that's a FACT.

[Duke Newcombe]

110. I don't believe your name is Richard Steele.

Post a link. Do it now.

Oh wait...only you get to do that, oh impressive 24,000 post (!!) maker.

Good night, Dick.

*plonk*

[Richard Steele]

119. SAD lol@U: Over a dozen DUers (including 2 Mods) know me in real life, "Duke".

It just isn't your night, is it? :rofl:

[malaise]

166. WTF??? n/t

[mac2]

95. We argued about that in the past.

If they had been required to get Visas (which my ancestors did to come here legally), the American Indians would not have been pushed aside and destroyed by them.

Not all Americans came here illegally. Our country started immigration laws when we had problems with too many too soon. The country was getting settled from ocean to ocean. We did it for security and for health reasons.

Just flowing into any country with our world now so populated is not allowed. We live in a different century and have to live within those bounderies.

[Richard Steele]

99. And you were wrong then, too. History is a game with no end, Mac, and turnabout is fair play.

You want to play by one set of rules, and then CHANGE them
when you've won as much as you want? Sure you do.

That doesn't bother me much. Most people do that. No doubt
the brown folks who you can't fairly compete with will be doing
the same thing 100 years from now.

I just wish you'd do it over at FreeRepublic where you could be
HONEST about it- where you could openly brag about your selfish
greed-based "I got mine and I need LAWS to keep it" worldview.

Because when you do it here, the amount of SPIN you apply to it
to pretend that it's compatible with DEMOCRATIC ideals
is making me a little sick to my stomach.

[The Inquisitive]

101. exactly

I've heard the argument you responded to many times and it is certainly a very poor one.

[Richard Steele]

105. Well then, please enlighten us all as to the failings of the "fair play" concept.

Take your time.
Use both sides of the paper if necessary.

[proud2BlibKansan]

155. And the others should just starve!

:sarcasm:

[raouldukelives]

I'm only frustrated

Because I haven't found an H1-B doctor or dentist yet. Once I can start getting that work done cheaply it'll make me feel better.

[mac2]

93. Nor a baseball or sports player who is a H1-B person.

They all get big bucks.

[Duke Newcombe]

6. Yeah...you pretty much got it right.

I'm thinking that you have quite good self-esteem if you believe that no US citizen has your intelligence, ability, or level of innovative skills. We would survive.

I'll hazard no guess as to what fraction of annual salary you receive as compared to your cohorts.

Duke

[tnlefty]

7. How do you know that you're replacing someone who is

much less qualified, who is not as innovative? I've read many more horror stories of people here having to train those with H1-B visas prior to losing their jobs.

[mac2]

66. Those imported workers really believe they are better than

us? It's not a personal comment about the poster but others in general. What's wrong with them staying home and bringing their country up? Like the money and freedoms here? We here before you fought for that.

Don't insult us.

[jasmine621]

106. It's the same kind of RW talking points that folks fall for like those

put out against the Clintons. It's repeated over and over again until it is accepted as truth. They can even make the targets of their bigotry believe what they say.

[mac2]

230. Even the Indian workers in India said it.

[Ellipsis]

8. Welcome.

...a product that will hit the market soon and make PV systems much more efficient includes some of my innovation.

How much more efficient?

[UndertheOcean]

29. Depends on irradiation

but between 30% to 50 % , based on a new MPPT algorithm and a soft switching topology.

Our team is also working on a cheap micro-inverter. you know , a small power inverter for every panel that pushes current directly into the Grid.

With oil prices getting higher higher Solar and inverter technology has a very bright future.

[Ellipsis]

42. Impressive on both counts.... Okay you can stay (kidding)

I'll look for announcements of your work in the future... or post them if you can.

Good luck.

[shireen]

46. that's amazing!

I'm really glad to hear about it. We desperately need innovators like you to help us out of this oily mess! :)

[mitchtv]

9. Can we go work in your country?

as of yet we have no open immigration.You already have the right, you are working here. The problem is exporting jobs , not importing labor. And it should go without saying that you must wait your turn to immigrate (all equal under the law, and all) Good Luck

[silverlib]

10. I'm glad that you are here...

I hope we reach a point where you are paid as well as the "privileged" birthed American. I hope all countries can share the wealth of the world and that a person's place of birth will not be held against them or give them unearned privileges.

Thanks for paying into our tax system and I hope that soon your taxes will be well spent and not used to support war and corporate welfare.

[coriolis]

11. You are completely full of shit but I welcome you anyway!

Pretty funny, actually, well done!
:D :rofl:

[UndertheOcean]

21. Actually , no , I'm not

[coriolis]

38. Actually you really are...

and you don't really know the first thing about photovoltaics, but it's okay. We think poseurs are kinda cute.

[UndertheOcean]

41. really ?

[MonkeyFunk]

65. You've been here a month

I don't think you can quite speak for DU yet.

[Richard Steele]

121. And he's spent that month spewing various colors of RW-flavored flamebait.

I don't think he'll "speak for DU" EVER.

[Pastiche423]

51. Yes you are

You admitted it yourself in your OP...

"...while a much less qualified person , who is not as innovative , deserves my job more just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?"

You demean the citizens of my country, w/NO proof, and expect no one to call you on it?

There's a book that was written in my country that you should read: How to Win Friends and Influence People.

[UndertheOcean]

61. I don't read such pseudo-phycology trash

[Pastiche423]

85. That's quite obvious

You know jack about getting along w/others.

When does your visa run out? Soon, I hope.

[UndertheOcean]

87. why the hatred ?

[Pastiche423]

94. What hatred?

You are the one smearing my fellow citizens.

[Richard Steele]

70. Gee, you have a knee-jerk reaction to attack immigrants...why is no DUer surprised at that?

nm

[BulletproofLandshark]

13. No one is suggesting you should be passed over in favor of less qualified candidates

The problem is that, given equal qualifications, there are many American-based corporations who are turning their backs on American workers so they can pay pennies on the dollar to someone from overseas to do the same job. These same corporations are often given American taxpayer money as incentive to hire workers, and they basically pocket the money by outsourcing on the cheap.

[ColbertWatcher]

14. I don't understand why you'd think we would hate you. n/t

[lukasahero]

165. Have you read this thread?

Seriously - I've never seen such outright hostility to someone just for being who they are as I have here. I'd say the OP is justified in thinking "we" hate him/her.

[ColbertWatcher]

252. I have not read the thread, but...

...I have seen the huge response.

Regardless, I still have to disagree with the original assertion that the OP is hated.

A heated discussion, however, does not necessarily equal hate.

Thank you for responding, but, I would prefer the OP answer my question.

[Ytzak]

15. Welcome to America...

[OhioChick]

16. ......

"while a much less qualified person , who is not as innovative , deserves my job more just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?"

You're sure that no one "born on US soil" is more qualified, not as innovative?

Wow.....Pretty Full of Yourself.

[UndertheOcean]

19. If there is , I don't see them applying for our graduate lab ... they would cost my advisor much

less , yet they still don't come .... Most US citizens prefer to work after getting their bachelors rather than pursuing graduate school.

Why do you thin international students occupy 80% of RA positions , and the majority of University Professors are foriegn born ?

Open up any major Scientific or Engineering Journal , and you well find that foreign names (Chinese , Arabic , Indian ) outnumber Anglo names.

Its not about being smarter, its about having the incentive of being a slave to your advisor in Grad school , working hard in research and publishing ....

[OhioChick]

36. I worked my ass off in grad school...

Did quite well. Now, I'm a "hired whore" to clean up messes made by Corporations that outsource/insource their work. I put a lot of blood, sweat, tears and passion into my work.....not to mention paying back an astronomical amount in student loans.

[hedgehog]

238. OK - you brought up the subject I was thinking of - cost of education

For the typical American, it makes no financial sense to go to graduate school. Most are carrying student loans from getting their undergraduate degree, and in most cases, the higher salary given someone with a Master's or PhD doesn't match the cost of getting a graduate degree plus the wages lost staying out of the work force another two or three years. FWIW - my two oldest kids do have Master's in Engineering.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Welcome

No flames from me. I'm glad you're here and I'm glad you have a visa. If you have family, they get welcome from me as well.

I get tired of folks making immigrants out to be enemies. They aren't.

[UndertheOcean]

26. Thank you

[OmahaBlueDog]

25. It's the English, stupid!

When all is said and done, very little of this has to do with who-was-born-where (unless you're an Arab), or how you got here, or welfare, or any of that garbage.

It's the English.

I respectfully submit that if you're hard working and learn English, and you're not an Arab (because we know they are all terrorists), we in the United States love you. The problem that the close-the-borders crowd have with the immigrants really is not, as Lou Dobbs might suggest, what we're paying in welfare or medicaid -- after all, (as the President might tell you in a moment of candor) that is offset by cheap meat, fruits, and vegies. The issue is that English-speaking citizens, who were born here, can't get certain entry level positions (in call centers, for example) unless they are bi-lingual. And older folks hate to hear those gol-durn foreigners chatting away at the checkout of the Winn Dixie in Spanish -- because when their folks came here, they learned English -- by God!

Bottom line: we're a one-language nation and we want to stay that way.

Edit: I don't intend to infer the OP is stupid -- it's a play on the James Carville line.

[UndertheOcean]

27. I am an Arab sadly...

born in Damascus... but some of my uncles are Americans.

[OmahaBlueDog]

31. I have a wild guess here..

I'm betting that you came to America because we are a nation of laws, freedom, and a place in which there is a buck to be made. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that the strict religiosity and violence in the Middle East might also have been factors. Strangely, the same factors, along with the recent addition of 200 channels of cable TV, attracted Europeans here for 200 years.

Am I close?

[UndertheOcean]

35. No , I came here because there is no Ph.D. program in EE in my country

It was either America or the UK or France , since I am only fluent in English and Arabic , and have below average French.

I chose America , because I am an Atheist , and its tough being an Atheist in the Arab world ,also I have some gender identification issues , but thats another tough story.




Anyway , America seemed the only country which offered the possibilty of immigration if I worked my butt off

[OmahaBlueDog]

40. Close enough!

Welcome, work hard, prosper, enjoy the 200 channels of cable... visit Vegas -- I hear what happens there stays there.

[mac2]

73. It's hard being an Atheist anywhere in the world including here.

Have you not heard our politicians and media? The RWers want our country to be their type of "Christianity". They ignore our Constitution demanding freedom of religion or none for all.

I have a friend in Lebanon who is an Arab Christan. Not all Arabs are Muslims, etc. Some are Atheists if they can get away with it in such a tyrannical theocracy.

Religious wars rage while people all over the world get sucked into the fight. People flee here for freedoms but ours is being challenged too by the elite few.

[UndertheOcean]

78. Tell me about it , atleast in America I will not be killed for being an Atheist

Or murdered for possibly being transgender. My head hurts just contemplating it.

[mac2]

81. A leader in Texas was so be careful.

[OmahaBlueDog]

223. Ain't it funny how the O'Hare murder was never solved?

Texas -- gotta love it.

[devilgrrl]

122. Bottom line: we're a one-language nation and we want to stay that way.

Yes, we want to stay MYOPIC! :woohoo:

[Hawkeye-X]

30. UndertheOcean - as an American, I still welcome you with open arms..

What I just don't like is the outsourcing of our tech jobs to other countries for pennies a day - that's not very fair to us - we studied hard to learn our skills and want to apply them. Many of us IT guys had to take meager jobs, overqualified and turned away by many companies that were hiring low IT jobs.

I'm very fortunate that I work for a family business that happened to specialize in certain IT work, and yes, we're engaged in a venture that everyone believes will be an incredible cash cow and will set us for life (at least that's how my dad wants it to work). So far, it's been pretty productive.

I still take in a meager wages, but that's because I'm still working on the other side of the family business, and SSDI helps defray some of the bills, but Dad seems to think I'll end being on SSDI very soon and earning a real salary. Since it's just 4 of us, and I'm really into this venture, it'll mean a lot of work and incredible payoffs.

Hawkeye-X

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[Warpy]

33. It's not you, it's the bastards you work for

You're just a cheaper pair of hands.

[ChromeFoundry]

34. It's not your H1B status, it's your attitude

There are better qualified people for your job in this country. There are better qualified people in China, India, Ukraine, etc... for that matter. It's your "above-all" attitude that I do not favor. Your companies' patents (you do not have ownership, they are IP of your employer), I am certain will be prototyped here in the US and then sent off to China in order to yield larger profit margins in the resale markup. Once this happens, you are expendable. Why feed the cow when they are getting a great supply of milk from offshored manufacturing? Then if you are sent back to the homeland, will you bitch and moan about how unfair you have been treated by the US pigs? There are a lot of people that have met this very same betrayal after dedicating 15+ years to a company, only to be disposed for lower wage work... not quality. No, you do not love this country.... you love the money you reap from it.

I really don't see too many (if any) people on here making the statement that every lazy idiot born in this country is deserving of a job before the choice of importation is sanctioned.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. good for you!

Congratulations on your success and welcome to the US!

[RB TexLa]

43. Don't worry. There are many here who see human beings, not American humans and other humans

and the ones who do see people in categories like that aren't worth worrying about.

[Duke Newcombe]

50. Thank you for that message. I'll be in my room, loading up on insulin, now. n/t

Duke

[Pastiche423]

100. GMFAO!

[mac2]

48. I met a guy in Scotland who is still waiting to come

here legally. It's been two years.

You have no right to be here since you don't respect our laws. Go to any other country in the world and declare your rights to be there. They will escort you to the plane or put you in jail. Including your own.

We have more legal immigrants into this country than any time in our history yet you think you are privileged above others.

Lottery of being born on this soil? My ancestors came here legally and worked to become good citizens. You destroy it for yourself and others who want a better life.

[UndertheOcean]

53. Dude , do you know how to read ? I came here legally

[OhioChick]

59. Use spell check next time...

Especially when you're asking someone is they know how to read. (Remember: it's spelled LEGALLY)

[sybylla]

226. It's spelled "if" not "is"

since we're picking nits.

[Richard Steele]

62. Ignore him. He's a blatant disruptor with severe comprehension problems. nm

[mac2]

76. You come here for education but expect to stay.

I've met few who returned to their country after being here on scholorships, etc.

[UndertheOcean]

80. Thats an option that is available to me

Am I wrong to take it ?

[mac2]

89. Nope it's not your fault.

The colleges can't give scholorships to American students but bring in foreign ones seems to be a strange direction. We do have a shortage because of the cost and lack of jobs in the engineering field.

[MonkeyFunk]

60. WTF?

What indication is there that he doesn't respect our laws?

[Killy]

52. Awesome.

Good job.

I have no problems with people immigrating to find jobs in America. My only concern is that there is regulation so that equivalent pay is being payed out, so that the opportunity is equal for everyone.

For example, I would disagree with immigrants being hired and then paid less than a born citizen. As long as pay is equivalent so that there is no "special" incentive (paying them less) for companies to employ immigrants, I'm all for it.

[Duke Newcombe]

56. Which, unfortunately, snuffs out UnderTheOcean's HB-1 visa. n/t

Duke

[UndertheOcean]

58. No it doesn't .H1-B law requires that I get paid a competitive salary

[barnel]

116. you might let my senator in on that

he wrote me telling me that h-1bs were paid signifigantly less

[OhioChick]

75. Unfortunately, it's not equal.

The H-1B Prevailing Wage is Substantially Below the Median Wage of U.S. Workers

While several bills, such as the "SKIL Act of 2006," aim to nearly double the annual H-1B quota, all such bills provide for the legal displacement of U.S. workers by underpaid foreign workers under a flawed prevailing wage provision. The H-1B "prevailing wage" is a sham that allows employers to pay H-1B workers 25% below market wages while claiming full compliance with the law.

Sacramento, CA (PRWEB) July 6, 2006 -- The Programmers Guild, an organization advocating for US-based computer professionals, finds that the prevailing wage protections in pending immigration legislation, such as the "SKIL Bill," authorize corporations to pay foreign tech workers $25,000 below the wage paid to average U.S. workers in the same professions.

The General Accountability Office (GAO) reports that the Department of Labor (DOL) had approved thousands of H-1B applications, in spite of clear prevailing wage violations within the applications. But GAO did not consider whether the prevailing wages themselves were flawed. Had GAO evaluated the DOL's prevailing wages against actual U.S. wages, the number of violations might have exceeded one hundred thousand.

In the Silicon Valley, California region, the median wage in 2004 for the occupation "computer programmer" was $83,500. This median represents the wages for U.S. workers with average skills and experience. But of the 9721 LCAs (Labor Condition Applications) for H-1B computer programmer in the region in fiscal year 2005, 2877 (29%) were for a salary of $57,000 or less, and fully 8193 (84%) paid less than the median wage of $83,500.

Proponents of the H-1B program argue that H-1B workers are the "best and brightest" workers in the world, bringing specialized skills that U.S. workers lack. But if wages are an indication of value, the opposite is true: In Silicon Valley only 16% of H-1B workers are earning at least what an average American programmer earns, and this ratio holds across the U.S.

In Fiscal Year 2005 the Department of Labor certified that H-1B computer programmers in Silicon Valley earning as low as $40,000 per year, and these wages were found to be in compliance with prevailing wage requirements by both the DOL and the GAO.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb407549.htm

[AZBlue]

64. Because you're smart you should be a citizen?

You only value your education, above all else, like morals or values? I don't have an issue with your citizenship, past, present or future - but I do have an issue with your condescending attitude.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. He said no such thing

why be such an ass?

[UndertheOcean]

69. I don't mean to be condescending , I am just fed up with the hatred for high-skilled immigrants

shown here at DU

If I came off as arrogant I apologize, I didn't mean to , I was just frustrated

[mac2]

84. Thank you.

It's been frustrating for American workers...educated and unskilled to put up with others taking their good paying jobs. We are called lazy when we are the most productive in the world.

We would have jobs for everyone if they weren't sent to off-shore slave factories. They have created a situation which causes stress in the work place.

[AZBlue]

249. I have no hatred for high-skilled immigrants. I think we need more of them.

Misunderstandings are easy through e-mail - no worries. I hope you do get your citizenship soon! :)

[Richard Steele]

145. Relax, this thread alone has enough dumbasses to outnumber him 4 to 1. nm

[baby_mouse]

241. Blech.

[AlphaCentauri]

71. There are those who are US citizens by choice not by accident

if love this country you should have the opportunity to become a US Citizen by choice. I see that the H1-B visas are not the problem the problem is the educational system, only those who can pay will go to college and the lucky ones who get a student loan. Many US bright kids can't afford college but don't be surprise here in America we like to look the other way when we talk about solving real problems, like blaming the immigrants instead of restructuring the educational system.

[UndertheOcean]

72. That is true , there are a lot of fellowship positions for Graduate school

but much less for undergraduate school.

[mac2]

88. Medical schools used to allow more foreign students than

Americans because they thought they would go home after that. They did not. DA! Some said it was to create a shortage of doctors at home. The medical society is a big union after all.

[AlphaCentauri]

91. They did pay for it, that is all about college today who ever pay for gets in

no matter if that is not in the national interest

[mac2]

96. Did you know many state public universities now limit locals

and take more out of state and foreign students to be "diversified"? All pay but out of state pay more. Public state universities were created to educate their own. Where did they go astray?

[AlphaCentauri]

109. I did not know that but I'm sure the educational system needs a re-structure by priorities

The neo-liberals point of view is that the education has to be in the free market and thats what they are doing but that doesn't surprise me, what really make me think about is were are the concern citizens?

[mac2]

153. Neo Cons want to take public education for themselves.

They want it destroyed for the rich only. Professors aren't allowed a free voice. They want them to do military and biological warfare research with our public funding.

I was concerned when my public state university took a huge multi-million dollar grant by a professor from a drug company to do research to prove their drug was good for Diabetics. I asked who the drug company was but they refused to answer me. I am supposing it to be Eli Lilly. The results can be manipulated to come out in their favor.

Like every other institution in this country, they have destroyed what was good and great about it.

[AlphaCentauri]

248. they have corrupt the whole educational system

We just have to take a look at elementary schools and how kids get those marketing promotions as rewards to eat junk food.

[El Pinko]

86. You love the US? Wow, it must be rough in your country.

I'm not telling you you have no right to come - if you come within the letter of the law, you have every right.

Whether or not the H1-B program should be scaled back is another question. It's clear that some employers advertise for US workers in such a way that no prospective workers could ever possibly see the ads, then they bring in H1-B workers who will work for peanuts - this has got to be stopped. But I have no problem with H1-B workers who are taking jobs that genuinely CANNOT be filled by qualified US workers. There are certainly fields in which the US is not producing enough qualified graduates.

But US citizenship, a lottery prize? Please. This is a sinking ship, going down fast. I've traveled around the world, and US citizenship is no great prize.

[magellan]

90. UndertheOcean, I salute you

I think what you're seeing is a lot of pent up frustration over our corporate hiring policies, which are now very skewed against hiring qualified Americans if money can be saved by hiring immigrants. It's also the case that our education system is failing under long Republican rule, creating a shortage of skilled and innovative workers.

You were hired. If there's blame to attach then it isn't to you. You take your opportunities where you find them as we all do. I wish you the best of luck!

[barnel]

97. You're a Marxist, with no respect for US sovereignty

"just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?"

American citizens owe you no explanation whatsoever

We're getting real tired of people like you

[UndertheOcean]

107. I regard "Marxist" to be a complement

thank you , I am a lefty , but alas not a Marxist .... I can't claim to be before I fully read and understand "Das Kapital" , sadly I don't have enough time for it .

[barnel]

113. there are many born far more fortunate than I

tell me comrade, what can I demand from them?

"just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?"

I interviewed many recent grads for a well known 'big 6' firm

someone with your attitude would get the thumbs down

[mac2]

156. I don't see a lottery for many American born.

Many are very poor and uneducated and the division of class is more extreme than in the past. No one is born with a silver spoon in their mouth contrary to what most foreigners believe. Like you they have to work for it. Even then some work for it and don't see the reward. There are the few elite who don't just like in any other society on earth.

America tried to be different by having public education and having a large productive middle class. Over the last thirty years that has been attacked for "globalism" and "privitization" for an oligarchy.

[LanternWaste]

234. "Comrade"? Wow-- I haven't heard that clever little...

"Comrade"? Wow-- I haven't heard that clever little ad-hominem since the days of Reagan. Is Limbaugh still using that one...?

'Comrade'... that's just too cute. :rofl:

[EFerrari]

131. You say Marxist like that's a bad thing.

[Marr]

136. "We"? Speak for yourself, pal.

[barnel]

160. I speak for a lot of people 'pal'

Look at this. A lot of immigrants see this injustice of discriminating against citizens and conclude, like the OP 'Oh, that must mean we're superior to you'. And yeah, we're getting tired of it

Experience. Looking for candidates with approved / stamped / expired H1B Visa for USA only!
Edited on Wed May-14-08 04:44 PM by barnel


date of this ad is yesterday

"H1B Transfer (Approved / Expired H1B only) - Min 5+ yrs of Exp., 5-10 years exp, United States (USA) "
"Experience. Looking for candidates with approved / stamped / expired H1B Visa for USA only!"

http://all-h1b-jobs.blogspot.com/2008/05/h1b-transfer-approved-expired-h1b-only_5408.html

Senator Durbin, May 2007

"Some companies that abuse the H-1B visa program are so brazen, they say “no Americans need apply” in their job advertisements. Hundreds of such ads have been posted on line. They say things such as “H-1B visa holders only” or “we require candidates for H-1B from India.”

Is that what we have in mind, to create this perverse discrimination against American workers? That isn’t the way it was explained to me. Our H-1B reform bill would prohibit this blatant discriminatory practice."

read Senator Durdin's whole speech - it's an eye opener

http://blog.noslaves.com/senator-durbin-on-h-1b-abuse-outsourcing-and-trading-people-2/

http://blog.noslaves.com/senator-durbin-on-h-1b-abuse-outsourcing-and-trading-people-2/

[Marr]

167. Your "Marxist" accusation makes you sound crazy.

I'm aware of the situation with H1-B visas. You'll get no argument from me on that point.

Please explain how you decided the OP is a Marxist.

[barnel]

192. here's why

"You are telling me that I have no right to settle and immigrate to this country , while a much less qualified person , who is not as innovative , deserves my job more just because he won the lottery of being born on US soil ?"

he believes that he has no obligation to respect the opinions of those who are citizens, because they obtained the rights of that status, via birth

that, is Marxism

'Senator McCarthy accused people of being Marxists, for political gain, and he was crazy'

yes he did, and yes he was

'Therefore, anyone who views something as Marxist is crazy'

not necessarely


Want a better life yourself? try visiting the country club or gated community of these corporations that push this stuff. after all, many of the people lounging by the pool are there by the lottery of their birth, right? how can they decide whether you get in? drop in on ted kennedy at hyanisport or palm beach, and you'll find where the corporate marxism ends

the powers that be want to share all you have with everyone in the world. but they're (corporate elite) not going to share anything with you, even if it was gained at your expense

[LanternWaste]

237. You can point me to the precise and relevant passage

"...that, is Marxism"


You can point me to the precise and relevant passage of Das Capital (or any peer-reviewed political science text, for that matter) that uses your definition (if only part and parcel), yes?

By the way-- no one has any obligation (other than civility-- yet civil people do not label someone they don't know a 'Marxist') to respect the opinions of others-- regardless of which side of the imaginary red and blue lines of map they were born on...

[mac2]

180. Maybe using the term Maxist isn't the right word.

Maybe disrespectful of our laws. Since America is a country full of immigrants or the propaganda is as such people feel we belong to the world. They have a right just like the rest of us "illegal immigrants". This is just not true. We have limits and laws for good reason. This Congress has allowed our goal and direction to be lawless for profit and Empire building.

We are in trouble because the world is not a safe place under the Neo Cons. People feel threatnend and their lives/future worthless. A different direction is needed.

[baby_mouse]

242. Left. Wing. Web. Site.

Oh, and ... uh, "sovereignty"?

Cough, cough...

[mac2]

250. Sovereignty is an issue related to the WTO world government

run by the elite few. No candidate refers to the goals to remove it either.

[angstlessk]

98. UndertheOcean..what will your debt be once you graduate??? or does your COUNTRY PAY

FOR YOUR EDUCATION? in which case you CAN work for less than an American citizen who is burdened with school debt???

[UndertheOcean]

104. Actually , because I got very high grades in the GRE , I won a fellowship

so I pay nothing , The University also pays all my living expenses , about 20k a year (for an Engineer) ... Fellowships are open to US students too , if they choose to compete for them , they are actually preferred , but they rarely do , because they prefer to join the work force right after getting their bachelor and get paid much more than 17-20k.

A very small amount of US citizens get into graduate school.

[angstlessk]

108. sugar plum fairy...in America 20 years ago...ONLY AMERICANS

and a few foreign students were in graduate school.. ARE YOU SAYING IN 20 YEARS TIME AMERICANS SUDDENLY DECIDED A BACHELORS DEGREE IS ALL THEY WANTED??? HEY..I WAS BORN AT NIGHT..ONLY NOT LAST NIGHT!!!

ME THINKS YOU ARE AN IDJIT!

[UndertheOcean]

111. Go to any Graduate Lab in any Univ. in the US , especially in

Engineering and Science , and count the American Students versus the Chinese , Arabs , European , Indian and others. Believe me Americans are a rarity.

90% of the professors in my University in the EE department are foreign born.

[angstlessk]

114. so basically educating Americans was sort of a planned obsolesce

like making a tool that fails in order to force people to purchase a new tool..only this obsolescence is about the American worker.. been in works longer than we knew about. Import cheaper folk whose government will pay for their education and we got a free ride for corporations..

Nail labor's feet to the ground...allow capital to run around the earth looking for cheap labor, and if they try to say...move from Mexico to the US..build a fence to keep the cheap labor on BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE...hell...capital says to Mexico...shit, we just got here...you cannot leave!!!

[barnel]

115. so ugly and so true

glad to see someone here gets what's going on

[mac2]

162. It's not his fault but the direction of our leaders to destroy

democracy. They want to rule the world and not have anyone object. By bringing in many they destroy what we had.

[EFerrari]

134. Wki link:

Statistics of foreign born scientists and engineers in the United States

* 55% of Ph.D. students in engineering in the United States are foreign born (2004).<1>
* Between 1980 and 2000, the percentage of Ph.D. scientists and engineers employed in the United States who were born abroad has increased from 24% to 37%.<1>
* 45% of Ph.D. physicists working in the United States are foreign born (2004).<1>
* 80% of total post-doctoral chemical and materials engineering in the United States are foreign-born (1988).<2>
* At the undergraduate level, US-born engineering students constitute upwards of 90-95% of the student population since most foreign born candidates for engineering graduate schools are trained in their home countries. Yet, the size of the pool of BS engineering graduates with US citizenship is much larger than the number who apply to engineering graduate schools including foreign born engineers and scientist.<2>
* the proportion of foreign-born engineers among assistant professors younger than 35 years has increased from 10% in 1972 to 50%-55% in 1983-1985, illustrating a dramatic increase on US dependence on foreign-born students in the US college system. The increase in non-citizen assistant professors of engineering is the result of the fact that, in recent years, foreign-born engineers received close to 50 percent of newly awarded engineering doctorates (naturalized citizens accounted for about 4 percent) and, furthermore, they entered academe in disproportionately large numbers.<2>
* 33% of all U.S. Ph.D.s in science and engineering are now awarded to foreign born graduate students (2004). <1>
* In 1982, foreign-born engineers constituted about 3.6% of all engineers employed in the United States, 13.9% of which were naturalized; and foreign-born Phds in Engineering constituted 15% and 20% were naturalized.<2>
* In 1985, foreign-born Phds represented almost 33% of the engineering post-doctorate researchers in US universities. Foreign-born Phd engineers often accept postdoctoral position because other employment is unavailable until green card is obtained. <2> A system that further incentivising replacement of US-citizens in the upper echelons of academic and private sector engineering firms due to higher educational attainment relative to native-born engineer who for the most part do train beyond undergraduate level.<3>
* In recent years, The number of applicants for faculty openings at research universities have increased dramatically. Numbers of 50 to 200 applications for a single faculty opening have become typical, yet even with such high numbers of applicants have yielded a foreign-born component in excess of 50%.<2>
* Among 1985 foreign-born engineering doctorate holders, about 40% expected to work in the United States after graduating. An additional 17 percent planned to stay on as post-doctorates, and most of these are likely to remain permanently in the United States. Those, almost 60% of foreign-born engineering doctorate holders are likely to become part of the US engineering labor force within a few years after graduating. The other approximately 40% of foreign born engineering Phds mostly likely find employment working for Multinational corporations outside of the US.<2>
* Selection for admission to US graduate schools continue to be made by committees dominated by faculty member.(1985) Foreign born facility now accounts for over 50% of facility in engineering (1994).<2>
* Large numbers of foreign-born engineering graduate students serve as TAs in undergrad classes at universities and colleges, many of these students have inadequate command of the English Language and a cultural background that have provided disincentives for native-born students. In addition, US universities including many foreign-born undergraduate professors have speak English very poorly.Questions have been raised bout the effectiveness of many of these people in the classroom.<2>
* At the undergraduate level, US-born engineering students constitute upwards of 90-95% of the student population since most foreign born candidates for engineering graduate schools are trained in their home countries. The size of the pool of BS engineering graduates with US citizenship is much larger than the number who apply to engineering graduate schools. <2>
* 1993 Median Salaries of U.S. Recipients of Ph.D.s in Science and Engineering: Foreign-Born vs. Native-Born:<4>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_born

(Oh, and methinks is one word, not two.)

[mac2]

168. The fellowship is a grant by an American university?

Aren't they generous? There are lots of smart Americans who would love to have their way paid to engineering graduate school. Guess the university didn't look that hard for Americans wanting to further their education.

I have to say many American students can not afford to go into debt for engineering graduate work because they know once they are out of school there are few good jobs for them. They would be "over educated" to fill the jobs today. Professionals in engineering used to have a chance to move up but today they stay at the same level or one up. Only the CEO prospers.

Hope you get that job in engineering you think there is in America. There is a shortage of well trained engineers...not just educated engineers. It takes many years to become a good licensed one. My family has engineers so I know of what I speak.

[slutticus]

130. Slow down chief ....who said all of these things?

Why write such an arrogant post seemingly out of nowhere?

You expect people to welcome you with such an introduction?

Edit: Spelling...can't spell

[EFerrari]

135. "Slow down, chief"?

Good grief.

[slutticus]

214. Such engaging argument.

I'll have to take a moment to ponder...

[donheld]

133. I don't hate you but,

You'd better come out from UndertheOcean. You could drowned down there
:toast:

[Marr]

137. I don't think anyone has a problem with you, it's the policies that need fixing.

I've seen H1-B visa holders used to drive down wages. It's not their fault, it's the system designed and payed for by big money.

Much of the success the United States has enjoyed was made possible by talented immigrants, drawn here for various reasons. We don't gain anything by discouraging that. At the same time, we don't want to see wages dropped. H1-B visa holders need to be paid the same rate as Americans doing the same job.

Having said that, congratulations on your move-- I've got to respect anyone who can do that. It's very intimidating to move to a new country and build a life there. I lived in Europe for awhile and found the immigrant experience very stressful.

For the record, I didn't read any arrogance in your post at all. Just seemed like confidence from where I'm sitting.

[mac2]

179. I agree.

We all fight over the few crumbs left for a good life in America.

[matt007]

138. cool, welcome

where ya frm?

[UndertheOcean]

139. thank you

Originally from Jordan , mother is Syrian/Kurdish

[matt007]

141. oh right on

I have a friend from outside of Amman. He's back there now. We were in uni together. I've always wanted to see Petra.

[UndertheOcean]

142. You may find this funny

but I went to Petra only twice all the time I lived there

Since I left Amman in 2002 I have been hearing horror stories about the huge inflation its going through , and how big it got , I miss it somewhat , it is a nice oldish city.

[hokies4ever]

140. Politicians want to use you as a wedge issue

to further the anti-immigrant sentiment for this election.

[mac2]

169. In the end both parties want the same thing for America...

open borders and the Americas. Just wait until after the election. I'm dreading it.

[lligrd]

143. Here Are The Facts:

H-1B visas going to Average Joes

"The Center for Immigration Studies Monday said most H-1B visas are going to ordinary people doing ordinary work in the United States, not to specialists.

The report, H-1Bs: Still Not the Best and the Brightest, reached its conclusion by analyzing the salaries earned by foreign workers, assuming the more outstanding an individual is, the higher his/her pay."

http://politicom.moldova.org/stiri/eng/115307/

Firm fined $45,000 over alleged H-1B favoritism

During a monthlong period in spring 2006, the firm iGate Mastech published 30 job postings, that, by the U.S. Department of Justice's description, "expressly favored H-1B visa holders to the exclusion of U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, and other legal U.S. workers." That behavior violates the Immigration and Nationality Act's provisions, which bar employment discrimination based on whether the applicant is a U.S. citizen, the Justice Department said.

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9934297-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

[Fumesucker]

148. They were fined $45,000 but I bet they saved ten times that by hiring immigrants

Pretty good trade off..

[mac2]

191. It seems to a game they all play.

The fine is so low that it has little impact on profits.

[OhioChick]

246. Visas only for average joe's, huh?

At the companies I've worked for...it shows. Tell that to Gates the next time he's pimping Congress for the "Best and Brightest." They're right here.......he just doesn't want to pay them.

As for the firm paying 45K for H-1B favoritism...The Programmers Guild is going after 300 more Corporations guilty of doing the same thing. 45K is jackshit, though.

[Enrique]

147. so you're more qualified than your American competitors?

what an obnoxious attitude toward Americans. :mad:

[proud2BlibKansan]

151. Welcome to America

I am glad you are here. :hug:

[Lorien]

152. I have no problem with it

as long as your employer isn't trying to get away with paying you far less than the standard rate simply because you're an immigrant.

Years ago I worked at a major feature animation studio. I was on the review board and my responsibilities included reviewing hundreds of portfolios (culled from thousands more) to find qualified artists to fill animator positions. We generally would find one suitable candidate per 1,000 portfolios. Often the best animators came from overseas. We had about a dozen British animators, six Canadians, a Cuban, Ukrainian, Serbian and two Croatians. Management loved to threaten these workers with deportation if they didn't sign less than generous contracts. This was during the war in the Balkans, so the Serbian and the two Croatians-all of whom had been former soldiers- were basically being threatened with being sent back to war if they didn't sign on to make a much smaller salary than an American worker! It was shameful. It would be better if our government made the best education a top priority for American students so employers wouldn't have to look elsewhere, but that won't happen in our lifetimes, I fear. As long as employers aren't importing workers to keep costs down I have no problem with it. We should be making a bigger fuss about all the jobs that are being offshored, imho.

My own ancestors (those I know about) were a bunch of religious extremists who came over on the Mayflower because they were a bit too nutty for their home country. Not really legal immigration, since the Native Americans had no say in it- so how could I ever condemn anyone else?

[barnel]

163. doesnt make sense

"My own ancestors (those I know about) were a bunch of religious extremists who came over on the Mayflower because they were a bit too nutty for their home country. Not really legal immigration, since the Native Americans had no say in it- so how could I ever condemn anyone else? "

by your logic, then, the US government, and your state governemnt's authority are null and void

try speeding or not paying taxes, and use that arguement

its absurd to hold citizens accountable to laws, yet not give them the moral right to make the laws as they see fit. that attitude enables tyranny

[mainegreen]

154. The biggest H1-B problem is in IT.

Where frankly, yes, non-resident workers with poorer skills are getting jobs as reduced wages at the expense of qualified local workers.
I've seen it plenty, as I work in the field as a consultant. It's true in IT. It is a problem. The government has a mental block when it comes to IT and is completely incapable of understanding it.

Maybe there is no such problem with H1-B's in photovoltaics. I don't know anything about that industry.

[barnel]

157. government is not incapable of understanding it

grassley gets it perfectly

the rest, are just plain corrupt

[OhioChick]

161. Don't forget Durbin.

April 1st, 2008

DURBIN AND GRASSLEY ZERO IN ON H-1B VISA DATA

< WASHINGTON, DC > – Senators Dick Durbin (D-IL) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) sent a letter today to the top 25 recipients of approved H-1B visa petitions in 2007, seeking detailed information on how each firm uses the visa program. These firms were responsible for nearly 20,000 of the available H-1B visas last year.

“By the end of the day today, all of the H-1B visas for the year will likely be spoken for,” Durbin said. “The H-1B program can’t be allowed to become a job-killer in . We need to ensure that firms are not misusing these visas, causing American workers to be unfairly deprived of good high-skill jobs here at home.”

Durbin and Grassley have repeatedly raised concerns that the loopholes in the H-1B and L-1 visa programs are allowing for the outsourcing of American jobs. Last year, they introduced the H-1B and L-1 Visa Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act, which would require H-1B applicants to make a good faith effort to hire American workers first and would give the Department of Labor greater oversight authority in investigating possible fraud and abuse.

"I have no doubt that we'll hear arguments all day as to why the cap on H-1B visas should be raised, but nobody should be fooled. The bottom line is that there are highly skilled American workers being left behind, searching for jobs that are being filled by H-1B visa holders," Grassley said. "It's time to close the loopholes that have allowed this to happen and enact real reform."

The letters are part of an effort to determine if the H-1B program is being used for its intended purpose - to fill a worker shortage for a temporary time period. Durbin and Grassley said they expect the companies to cooperate and answer their questions to ensure that accurate information is being used to address future reforms of the program.

The H-1B visa program allows American companies to employ temporary foreign workers in “specialty occupations,” often in the high tech industry, while the L visa program is for intracompany transfers of managers, executives and specialists.

The letter was sent to the following companies: Infosys Technologies Ltd., Wipro Limited, Satyam Computer Services Ltd., Cognizant Tech Solutions, Microsoft Corporation, Tata Consultancy Services Ltd., Patni Computer Systems Inc., US Technology Resources LLC, I-Flex Solutions Inc., Intel Corporation, Accenture LLP, Cisco Systems Inc., Ernst & Young LLP, Larsen & Toubro Infotech Ltd., Deloitte & Touche LLP, Google Inc., Mphasis Corporation, University of Illinois at Chicago, American Unit Inc., Jsmn International Inc., Objectwin Technology Inc., Deloitte Consulting, Prince Georges County Public Schools, JPMorgan Chase and Co., and Motorola Inc.


http://grassley.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=0b5cd97e-ae48-0d23-56ce-2d4ec5766245&Month=4&Year=2008

[barnel]

164. yup n / t

[mac2]

There is no shortage of American Engineers.

There is a shortage of cheap ones. It takes years to become a good engineer. Not everyone can pass the tests, etc. They allow sports figures, movie stars, and politicans to become well paid but not engineers. Are they to be saints for corporation power and wealth?

[OhioChick]

239. No, There is No Shortage...

Study: There Is No Shortage of U.S. Engineers

A new study argues that the offshoring of U.S. jobs is caused by cost savings and not a shortage of U.S. engineers or better education in China. However, the study warns that the United States is losing its global edge.

A commonly heard defense in the arguments that surround U.S. companies that offshore high-tech and engineering jobs is that the U.S. math and science education system is not producing a sufficient number of engineers to fill a corporations needs.

However, a new study from Duke University calls this argument bunk, stating that there is no shortage of engineers in the United States, and that offshoring is all about cost savings.

This report, entitled "Issues in Science and Technology" and published in the latest National Academy of Sciences magazine further explores the topic of engineering graduation rates of India, China and the United States, the subject of a 2005 Duke study.

In the report, concerns are raised that China is racing ahead of both the United States and India in its ability to perform basic research. It also asserts that the United States is risking losing its global edge by outsourcing critical R&D and India is falling behind by playing politics with education. Meanwhile, it considers China well-positioned for the future.

Dukes 2005 study corrected a long-heard myth about India and China graduating 12 times as many engineers as the United States, finding instead that the United States graduates a comparable number.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Careers/Study-There-Is-No-Shortage-of-US-Engineers/

[mac2]

174. Intelliegence technology?

IT?

[mainegreen]

182. IT=Information Technology

aka computers.

[mac2]

224. Might be the government or corporations don't want Americans to do this type of work

They don't want loyal Americans who might be responsible to their countrymen? Foreign born might not know the laws regarding spying, information privacy, etc. Or might be hungry for work of any type?

I know American engineers who have done this type of computer work for industry and box stores. They can do and they are available.

[elizfeelinggreat]

170. You had me until

you said people here "won the lottery of being born on US soil".

So, if you are granted citizenship in this country you love and you have children who "win the lottery" will you be happy to see them lose their jobs because someone with the advantages you have enjoyed wanted it? There are many people in this country who are brilliant but haven't had your opportunities and perhaps someday it will be your child.

I think some of that bravado may just be the inexperience of youth talking but I'm truly interested in why are you pushing buttons here with this kind of post?

[mac2]

171. What we have is being destroyed by those who want it

for themselves. They have to unite and fight with us for our way of life. Every generation has to do that if they want freedom and prosperity.

[panzerfaust]

172. We are ALL immigrants here

Yes, All: Even the "Indians/Native Americans/First Peoples"

Welcome.

[mac2]

173. Adam & Eve welcome you.

[barnel]

181. we were a nation of horses, too

I demand a livery stable on every main street - immigrants in the 1800s had one, WHY DONT I HAVE THE SAME RIGHT?

absurd, huh?

immigration policies have a profound affect on a nation

setting policy based on SLOGANS, and ignoring the changes since the 1800s, such as no longer being an unsettled frontier will lead to disaster

when my ancestors came here, the Louisiana Purchase was 40 years old

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase

are you saying there was a similar land aquisition in 1968?

[Generic Other]

176. I am involved in hiring decisions and see abuses of the system

More affirmative action hires these days, which means preferential treatment now given to foreign "minorities" not as once intended to reverse years of under representation and descrimination of Americans of color. I spend a lot of time reminding people that Chinese and Indian workers are not filling Affirmative Action/diversity goals in anything but the most cynical fashion!

Unfortunately, the average American citizen has less access to a good education than the foreign born who apply for and take the positions we are "unqualified" to fill. Other countries invest in the education of their people in ways ours has decided not to do. We are undereducated because corporate America has decided not to make the investment in our own workers' futures.

It does become a wedge issue for Americans. This is why I do not think it is at all helpful to be so condescending toward Americans as you have been in this post. For one thing it is my tax dollar underwriting the bulk of your education at any state university. My tax dollar that gives corporations breaks so they can increase their profits and hire you. Is it surprising that I expect my taxes go to help me and my children's futures not yours? Would your government offer me and mine such a deal as ours so readily has offered you at my expense? A lot of Americans who are denied your opportunities helped pay for them by subsidizing your education. It was not us who won a lottery. You did. And you are welcome. We are glad we could provide you with opportunity for a better life. But we ask that you not forget we are entitled to the same benefits for ourselves and our children. And that our needs should come first.

Reminds me of a Steinbeck novel IN DUBIOUS BATTLE where the migrants in the California citrus fields who are picking for 10 cents a pound find themselves locked out of their jobs by those willing to pick for 5 cents. It is a form of scabbing to hire outside workers no matter where they come from. Especially when it is done to systematically undermine labor for no other motive than profit. Americans are losing their jobs, their homes, and their land. One can at least show some sensitivity to their anxieties about the situation.

on edit: typos

[mac2]

188. I hear you.

I had to work and go to university at night on my own dollar. No fellowships or scholarships for me since my father refused to declare his income. That has changed today.

Even after I graduated with high marks and had extensive experience, they told me I was "over educated and too high paid in the past". (What they meant was...I was too old and experienced). My second degree was in Business Administration with a major in Personnel Administration. It's very hard to be interviewed for a job in that field by a non-degree person and have them tell you, you just aren't qualified.

[rucky]

177. And I'm an unemployed photo voltaic systems researcher!

what's a photo voltaic system, anyways?

[UndertheOcean]

184. What is your Area?

I mainly worked , on MPPT , Digital Control , multiphase current sharing systems , again implemented through Digital control , with either FPGA or regular DSP , and soft switching high frequency inverters with mixed IGBT MOSFET switches.

Some of my research includes improved State-Space based discrete modeling of DC/DC converters in CCM and optimal control through nonlinear aquisition of varying load response.

I have a patent for an new method of symbolic simulation for piecewise LTI systems , DC/DC converters and Inverters are such systems.


So, what were you working on ? pm me your CV and I can send it to 5-10 people are know are actively looking for someone.

[rucky]

187. I'm sorry, I was just kidding.

I have no idea your field even existed, so I guess my point is that we're glad to have you here so we can stay innovative.

:toast:

[backscatter712]

185. I don't hate you - you're being screwed too.

Americans are being screwed because they're being forced to compete with cheap immigrant labor.

H1-B holders are screwed because employers abuse their status to hold a gun to their heads "What are you gonna do, quit? YOU CAN'T QUIT!!! WE OWN YOU!!! If you try to quit, you'll be deported!!! So you'll take those lower wages, longer hours and shittier benefits, and you'll do it with a smile!"

All in that big race to the bottom the benefits nobody except the filthy rich.

[Juche]

186. I dont' have a problem with your situation

I like it when talented people come to the US and innovate. That will create jobs and corporations. In my college experience, many of the most talented researchers in the US are 1st generation immigrants.

What bothers me is when H1-B visa workers come in and get paid less than an American worker would make who is also qualified to do the job. In IT I think that H1-B visa workers make 20-30% less than US workers (illegal or not), plus the manager can always deport them if they cause troubles. So it is an effort to bust labor laws and drive wages down. That bothers me.

[bean fidhleir]

189. What amazing self-justification! Or perhaps "blatant" is the word I want

How did you become qualified? Do you come from a country where education is provided from taxes? Is your family well-off, perhaps because of caste advantages or political-party favoritism? What makes you suppose that you got your position on merit, and that had a US citizen got it instead they would have been less-qualified?

I've heard your assertions before. They're the same ones, mutatis mutandis, that were (and still are, sometimes) used to justify Whites and males being privileged above non-Whites and females. Too many privileged people -usually tho not always dominant-group men- ascribe any failure to bad luck or the malice of others while they claim any success as being entirely due to their personal, unaided merit. It's to laugh.

[treestar]

206. Well, wait a minute

You're talking about favoritism based on birth in the U.S. Which the law already provides for, anyway, for the equally qualified.

And it's not as if there is no class ranking in the U.S. either. Some workers are from the lower classes and have no chance to be qualified for a high level job either, but without the high level jobs, the lower level jobs do not exist.

You'd cut off the opportunities of the lower American classes by simply cutting off expansion which can only occur if the higher levels do something.

[bean fidhleir]

210. I'm not sure I'm following

Did you mean to reply to the OP rather than me, perhaps?

I ask because you seem to be saying the same thing I'm saying (or implying, I suppose), namely that many or even most highly intelligent people in the US come from the lower-income working class and, because education is a profit center here rather than the public utility it should be, never get the opportunity to train for and get the high-class jobs.

[barnel]

217. oh really

"You'd cut off the opportunities of the lower American classes by simply cutting off expansion which can only occur if the higher levels do something. "

and that's why highly skilled American citizens train their foreign replacement

[ourbluenation]

190. You're lucky. Those H1-B visas are much harder to get now. And try this one on for size...

My gay sister's partner is english and 1) the uk cannot participate in the green card lottery and 2) since they're gay they can't get married and no green card that way either.

She's (the partner) is working on the HB-1 visa and the entire process has been pushed back years, if you can even get in that door to begin with. She would totally be taking a job away from an american. She's a corporate event planner. Her odds are not good.

If the feds recognized gay unions this problem is solved. I won't beholding my breath.

[Marrah_G]

194. The problem is when qualified Americans are pushed aside for cheaper immigrant workers.

I think you can understand why that would upset people.

[elizfeelinggreat]

213. sounds like he should be able to understand that

It's not a difficult concept and he tells us he's an intelligent person.

So why do you think he started this thread? Why the "flame away" comment? I asked why and didn't get an answer.

[Bluenorthwest]

197. Glad you are here.

This is a better place than many to be a person with a difference. No bed o' roses, but better than many places. If nothing else I myself am proud that this country allows you to 'be' and to become with some liberty.
I know nothing about these Visas and such. So I am not commenting on any of that. But, just for fun, if you like the Classical music, you might enjoy learning about Wendy Carlos, famous for records years ago called 'Switched On Bach'. Maybe the first electronic versions of classical music greats. Wendy started her career and life as Walter Carlos, and carried on after she became her true self. So this is way off topic, but my way of saying welcome to the US and may you find here what you seek, as did my Grandparents who came the same way, to do jobs arragned in advance, in their case common farm labor.

[clyrc]

199. American UAE resident here, and leaving my own country 5 years ago

taught me many, many things, the most pertinent to this thread being that Americans are DAMNED lucky to be born Americans, and that anyone who leaves their own county to get a better job, or get a better education, is ok with me. Americans aren't so fond of arrogance, however, and we pretty much think of ourselves as able to do anything as well as anyone else. I have to laugh long and hard when I hear Emiratis complain that expats are ruining the UAE, when expats make up 80% of the population, so I do know how a native population can be blinded to it's own true situation. Still, America is a huge country with a big population, and I imagine there are some good people out there, even in your field.

I went to Jordan last year, to see a friend's wedding, which was fascinating and quite touching. I enjoyed Petra, the Dead Sea, Jerash and Amman, and I thought the food was leagues better than UAE food.

[Locrian]

204. welcome

From one atheist to another, welcome! Hope it never gets as bad for us as in some of the other countries of the world....

I have no issue with people coming here etc. I think that's great and helps all in the end.
There will always be competition for intelligent people with regards to jobs etc.

The wrath I save for the shredding of the jobs for people who DONT have or want a PHd. The wholesale "screw em I got mine" attitude for anyone who wants to simply support their family, work hard etc and cant find work.

In a supposedly "civilized" world, we need to realize that part of being civilized is to help support others when there isn't job availability. That there will be some people who cant or wont get a college education much less a PHd. And we need to (do I have to say it) share the freakin wealth!


So - welcome, and hope you can deal with some of the (misplaced) blame from people thinking you are the issue when it's really the same old thing: fear, uncertainty, doubt, greed, etc

[treestar]

205. Thank you for your contribution to our economy

The developments you contributed to will add more jobs to the American economy. These morans who don't get that are the ones that would end up unemployed if you weren't in the U.S.

And thank you for liking this country enough to come to it and put up with the INS and all the morans who live here who insist falsely that you have "taken their job" and are being paid less than an American would for the job (which are false and your employer had to prove it would pay the prevailing wage). Some people on DU think that by repeating this over and over everyone else will believe it is true, but it is patently false.

[snooper2]

211. You came here legally, and don't believe in God...welecome :)

If we could just get rid of some of the folks "born" here :rofl:


GOBAMA!

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

212. The hatered of H1B's are in how companies use them

not the people who take them, especially when its not someone over here just to make a quick buck. You want to come and stay to be an American I dont have a huge issue.

Companies use them to depress wages and push Americans out of jobs...

Before you say that does not happen please bear in mind there are firms that specialize in helping companies milk the H1B system by doing things like publishing want adds in little read journals these firms would not have business if companies were not trying to avoid hiring Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

--

There is an industry to make sure qualified Americans do not get jobs, I have seen managers post minimum requirements based on what the potential H1B knew which was odd ( one I saw an assembly language not used for the position posted as a minimum requirement ). What do companies get out of this? They get a slave worker, one who can not change jobs if a better one comes along, one who is committed to them even if they milk them for 60 hours a week, and they get this by *fraud*.

They are creating a self fulfilling prophecy in which they are stunting the market so badly that fewer Americans are even bothering to pursue the field

[slutticus]

221. This technique sucks...but unfortunately it's standard for most companies.

This technique doesn't necessarily apply only to foreign applicants. Companies also have to do this when they want to hire someone who they already know they want to hire before an interview (foreign or domestic). They have to legally post the job description for a certain amount of time and take applications....even when they know full well that they have no intention of hiring anyone who sends in a resume.

But I had no idea there were companies who specialize in doing this for the H1B system. I'll have to look into this more. See....THAT's why I come to DU. To learn...not to witness the carnage of Primary season :)

[AlCzervik]

227. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28ow4TLMTqM

[Hell Hath No Fury]

228. America has always benefited greatly....

from what immigrants to the country have brought -- it is as true today as it was 100 years ago.

Welcome to our country, I wish you nothing but success and happiness! :hi:

[Romulox]

231. The nexus where Right and Left meet exists where a person is accused of being racist

for not supporting free trade, globalization, and open borders.

The vocabulary of the Left used in service of the goals of the Right. The Clintons called it "triangulation", but they are, in some sense, victims of their own success. This right/left economic mish-mash has become so dominant as to scarcely be worth noting, and certainly not worthy of any distinction or separate label.

For reasons that escape me, DU is a great mecca for these Cheap Labor Democrats--so relax! You're among friends here!

[napi21]

232. I have a question for you Sir. This may not apply in your case,

but my experience (at the company I used to work for) was that the company was abusing the person they wanted to hire under the H1B program. I was the Acctg. Dir. and the IT Dept. was my responsibility. I was interviewing for programmers and another executive came by my office and said "I can get you programmers for HALF THE COST of what you're going to have to pay any from the US! For a couple of thousand dollars we can get as many programmers as we wold ever need, and they'll be thrilled to have the job at $14,000 a year!" I refused, and told him he was USING the people from India by knowingly paying them 1/2 the going market rate!

I did hire 2 programmers from the US, but within 4 months, I WAS TERMINATED!!!

Did you, or any immigrants that you know feel used like that?

[guitar man]

233. no flames here

so long as you research the prevailing salary range for the same jobs in your area and try to land somewhere close, I have no problem at all...welcome to America :hi:

[Runcible Spoon]

235. welcome and a few things...

you may have used the system fairly as it was openly intended, however you know that any system can be gamed. The H1-B system is ripe for gaming, considering those who seek to exploit it are a little bit more smart, sophisticated, and savvy than the poor migrant laborers who risk border crossing.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be here. Hell, I'm engaged to a programmer who specializes in very specific software languages, and I would love to get his visa costs covered by a company who did all the paperwork. However, I just don't trust a lot of the companies that basically want to ship in specialists cheaper, and hold their visas over their heads as a threat to keep in line. Your experience certainly may be different, but its disengenuous to assume that H1-B's are sought only by earnest companies who just can't find the engineers they need :eyes:

[Sanctified]

236. Well I hope you stay, we need more people in this country like you.

It's funny most Americans are all for letting minimum wage workers into the country to do the shit jobs they don't want to do but the second someone with an education shows up they all scream to close the borders because they hate the idea of losing their cush jobs.

[kestrel91316]

243. I have no complaint whatsoever with anyone who comes by a visa legally

and complies with all its terms.......my only beef is with those who enter illegally in the first place, or who violate their visa provisions..........

[countryjake]

245. No hatred here, I wish you success in all that you do!

No doubt about it, this country needs more who appreciate and value an educated mind.

I also wish you good luck in fending off the multitude of discriminations you face, due to your ethnic heritage and that other status you've briefly mentioned. This "land of equality" has far to go in making that description a reality.

[Jed Dilligan]

251. You're not the problem, our shitty schools are the problem.