Right-wingers believe people are inherently bad and lazy and NEED to be punished.

[raccoon]

They think children getting spanked or slapped is real funny.

They seem to be glad when bad things happen to other people, or at least of the opinion that somehow they CAUSED the bad thing to happen. Once in a 12-step group I heard a man say, "My parents taught me that when something 'wrong' happened to me, it was my fault for LETTING IT HAPPEN." That's the kind of dumbass mindset, it seems to me, right-wingers have.

Most liberals, IMO, DON'T believe people are inherently bad and lazy and need to be punished.

[patrice]

1. With emphasis on ALL forms of Punishment as a tool for Control of ALL others.

RWers are very primitive folk on the average.

TIME! to Evolve, before it's too LATE.

[wtmusic]

6. Nature is not on our side

On average, they're popping out babies faster than we are. Back to the Stone Age.

[patrice]

9. We NEED to organize better than they do, on all levels from organic on to . . . ?

[wtmusic]

14. If more were as motivated as you

I wouldn't fear for our future ;-)

Typically things have to get pretty messed up before people are willing to change. Maybe the internets can help us overcome that shortcoming...

[patrice]

20. We need to figure out how to make political action fun and rewarding.

What do people want, besides money, give it to them if at all possible and get as many into the process as possible, so that they balance one another.

[zbdent]

2. so, they're going to start hitting their own kids harder???

[LynneSin]

3. I remember a story about Lisa Whelchel, the actress that played Blair on "Facts of Life"

One of those religious nut jobs who thinks it's ok to put Tabasco Sause on the tips of their kids tongues

http://www.lisawhelchel.com/chat.three.htm

That's what I like about this. The chapters are easy to read and you can go specifically to areas you're dealing with. I think this is helpful for both parents.

And also I think children are unique, so were going to want to deal with them each uniquely. The situations are unique, our parenting styles are different, so for instance, if you find yourself in the middle of catching your child in a lie, there's lots of different ways to handle it. You can look at lying and perhaps it'll send you to a creative correction idea to address the negative behavior. One idea is kind of give them a little spanking on the tongue. That sounds terrible, but all it is is a drop of Tabasco sauce. It stings for a little bit, but it goes away, but hopefully the memory will stay with them for long enough that they go, 'You know what, lying, this is not worth it.

[hadrons]

13. I actually heard a story about Lisa Whelchel ....

She and her family came into this resturant and the waiter noticed how the kids looked like they were in absolute fear of even breathing too loudly and he also noticed her "swishy" (his words) husband "checking him out"

True or not, this sounds like an all-too-common fundie family

[O.M.B.inOhio]

4. They want to make illegal the things they desire. Consider their attacks on homosexuality.

[patrice]

5. Their dictates to others are very much about their OWN vulnerabilities and confusion and fear.

Never forget this when you are talking to RWers.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

19. Absolutely!

[atommom]

7. It dovetails nicely with the teachings of authoritarian religions, who

also teach that humans are inherently bad and need to be punished. I never could wrap my mind around that idea.

[patrice]

8. It does make sense in terms of History, BUT it's hard to separate self-fulfilling

expectations from organic realities, especially with the absolutely HUGE inequalities that characterize human experiences.

[raccoon]

10. I never could either. I strongly disagree with that idea. nt

[Wapsie B]

11. Did you ever notice how it's the "Fear of God" rather than the Love of God

with these people? They're into punishment and damnation big time. Child/Spousal abuse albeit in the name of submitting to the man is not uncommon. There's been more than one marriage similar to Lisa Whelchel's that turned into an episode of Forensic Files.

[patrice]

12. GUILT is also inherent in such attitudes, another POWERFUL motivator. nt

[rucky]

15. Authoritarian parents

every one of 'em. I'll bet dollars to donuts on it.

[InkAddict]

16. I'm sorry for your experience, but I can relate. Fundy RWers say

things like this to their (adult) children, and I quote:

On being active in community: "I contribute to society; I mow my grass."

On dealing with a spouse: "You just need to be a little more devious."

On caring for elderly FIL (spouse was an only child): "You're just borrowing trouble."

On managing life: "We never made a mistake."

On a request for support: "No one told you to have kids."

The straw that broke it:

"I don't want to speak to you again until somebody dies."

Since neither of them can dial, pending an apology and an expression of interst in their children's and grandchildren's lives, they'll get their wish. My two sibs have been likewise brainwashed, encouraging ME to be the better person, in spite of their constant shaming for every decision.

I just got tired of beating myself up for not being able to control the world according to their "perfect" expectations. It's what happens when Jesus wipes away their faults at literally everyone else's physical, emotional, psychological, and financial expense. Their malignant narcisism destroys the family as perfectly as our leaders absolute corruption destroys our nation.

[Echo In Light]

17. Authoritarianism = low self esteem = projection = self loathing

This is why right wingers are fixated upon external enemies {refusal to conform or prostrate before authority}, and of course, internal enemies; they are fearful and resentful of the other within, hence the penchant for projecting the dreaded quality onto others.

This makes me think of the comical scene in the movie Addams Family Values, where at kids camp, the 'weird' ones are caught attempting to escape, and all of the preppy/jock kids begin chanting "punish! punish! punish!"

[distantearlywarning]

18. Some DUers are like that too.

Just look at the fat threads.