McCain = Son of Cain (literal, from the Scottish) - a moniker that says it all...

[arendt]

in a way that fundies will have a hard time shaking out of their brainwashed skulls:

fratricidal killer.

What do you think?

(props to Mrs. arendt for the idea)

arendt

[Ian David]

1. McCain... Son of Cain .... Enoch, Son of Cain

Enoch, Son of Cain
From BibleWiki

The eldest son of Cain (Gen 4:17), who built a city east of Eden in the land of Nod, and called it "after the name of his son Enoch." This is the first "city" mentioned in the Bible
http://bible.tmtm.com/wiki/Enoch,_Son_of_Cain


"Enoch also, the seventh from Adam"
Jude says Enoch, "the seventh from Adam", prophesied that God would come with 10,000 of his saints "to execute judgment upon all." But this prophecy is from the Book of Enoch (which the author considered scripture and believed was written by Enoch), not from the Bible.
Was Enoch the seventh from Adam?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/enoch7.html


The Mark of Cain

And the LORD set a mark upon Cain .... -- Genesis 4:15

Until the 1978 revelation to Mormon President, Spencer W. Kimball, black men were not allowed to hold the priesthood. This was based, in part, on Genesis 4:15, where God placed a mark on Cain after he had killed his brother Abel. Joseph Smith and later LDS leaders interpreted the "mark upon Cain" to be turning of Cain's skin (and that of all his descendents) black.

It should be noted, however, that Mormons were not alone in this interpretation of Gen.4:15. Many Protestant denominations at the time Joseph Smith founded the LDS Church (1830) had the same racist understanding of the "mark of Cain."

More:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/interp/mark_of_cain.html

[Donnachaidh]

2. and all you'll do is piss off a lot of Scots who will call you racist

Have you actually researched the McCain name? It may be a variant of a much larger clan that will take offense in the wrong way.

[Ian David]

3. Do they have an alibi for where they were about 5,000 years ago? n/t

[Donnachaidh]

6. cute -- forgot the rimshot?

In all seriousness, before you go wanking off about a play on his surname, research it. Many here on DU went apeshit when the Freepers were doing the EXACT SAME THING about Obama's middle name.

We ARE supposed to be the ones who take the higher ground, yes? Or is that only when our side is being slammed?

[Ian David]

8. I just did research it, and the OP is pretty much wrong. (See post below).

Still, coincidences matter to people who believe they have an invisible friend in the sky.

[arendt]

12. Lets see, after McInsane, McSame, McNasty...you want to beat me up for playing this game...

you are a caricature of the milqetoast that makes conservatives vote against Dems time and again. Oh, please -- we can't make a mockery of this hypocritcal liar who got on his knees to fundamentalists?

The Hussein/Osama thing was meant to promote the lie that Obama is a Moslem or a terrorist. It was neither obviously a parody nor meant as humor. Has your objection made the corporate media and the GOP operatives stop doing that? No. So, I'm with the Sean Connery character from "The Untouchables":

He puts one of our guys in the hospital; you put two of his guys in the morque.

Fight back; its all they understand.


arendt

[Donnachaidh]

16. ooohhh, can't take on the title you deserve?

Hypocrite.

It stings doesn't it, when called on the SAME ACTIONS many hear in DU RAGED about not so long ago, being utilized by the repukes? Forgot those soapbox days?

The party of change has INDEED learned from the thugs, and is using the same tools. So where EXACTLY is the CHANGE? Where exactly is the HOPE when all you've learned is how to *ape* the ones in power? Is this how you're going to win the *hearts and minds* of people -- how you are going to CHANGE the system?

CHANGE. Look up the definition. It's OBVIOUS you need a refresher course in it.

:shrug:

[Ian David]

20. I've found a way to live with the cognitive dissonance. I'll use it. n/t

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3289921&mesg_id=3290128

[arendt]

26. Look, I stayed out of what you're referring to, so I'm not a hypocrite...

you don't know who I am. But I am getting that you crawled out of GD-P. Why don't you go crawl back there.

This is about fighting McCain, not each other.

arendt

[Ian David]

18. Nothing we call McCain can come anywhere near as bad as what he calls his Second Wife.

Now comes up as the number-one entry on Google!:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html - 25k -

[arendt]

4. Point taken, but every clan has its black sheep. (Now, I've gone and offended blacks. Dang.)...

Look, I really think that your concern is a little bit much. Its like if I said Dickson meant son of Dick and all the Brits took offense.

I find your scenario unlikely.

arendt

[Donnachaidh]

9. this is the SAME BS the freeps did about Obama's middle name, reversed

And you know it.

Pretty darned hypocritical, and as much of a reach as the middle name kerfuffle. :shrug:

[Ian David]

11. I agree. But I think it might have an appropriate place to be used as a "So What" argument.

"Your candidate's middle name is Hussein! That means he's a terrorist!"

"So what? Your candidate's last name is McCain, which means Son of Cain. Do you think he's descended from Cain?"

"The names Barack Hussein and Obama all have six letters in them!"

"Uhm, no... they don't."

"Yes, they do! Sean Hannity said so!"

"Have you tried counting them yourself?"

"What are you? Some kinda gay commie liberal muslim extremist?"

"Damn. You caught me. How'd you guess?"

[Ian David]

5. Not his fault. It's true. The etymology website says so

elder son of Adam and Eve, from Heb. Qayin, lit. "created one," also "smith," from Sem. stem q-y-n "to form, to fashion." To raise Cain is first recorded 1840. Surnames McCain, McCann, etc., are a contraction of Ir. Mac Cathan "son of Cathan," from Celt. cathan, lit. "warrior," from cath "battle."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Cain


Actually, it says he's wrong about the INTENDED meaning of the word McCain.

But if god chose to give him a name which CAN mean "Son of Cain," then it's just as important as if god had given him a name in which the numbers add up to 666, or if god gave him the middle name "Hussein."

[arendt]

7. So, his name means warrior and his father and grandfather were too...

haven't we all had enough war?

Maybe its time to be "lowering Cain".

arendt

[baby_mouse]

10. They're fundies. They'll magic it in their heads that that kind of gibberish is the wrong kind. NT

[arendt]

13. CLARIFICATION: all that I meant was literal was {Mc = son of}, not Cain=that Cain. n/t

[Ian David]

15. Got it. His name means "Son of Cain," not that the McCain clan of Scottland comes from Cain.

As far as we know, anyway.

[Donnachaidh]

17. backpedaling is a bitch, aint' it?n/t

[Ian David]

19. At least he doesn't plaster on the waffle like a trollop. n/t

[arendt]

23. Methinks you get outraged way too easy. My clarification was real; not a cop-out. n/t

[Ian David]

14. John McCain was a bomber pilot. A "Prince of the Power of the Air"

"Prince of the Power of The Air" is one of the names "The" Bible uses for Satan:

Prince of the Power of the Air
Ephesians 2:2
http://www.abecedarian.org/Pages/namesofsatan.htm



Also, McCain was shot-down (Fell from Heaven) and was captured and tortured (Banished to Hell)

[arendt]

24. Whoa! I would never have suspected such encyclopediac knowledge from you, IanDB1...

spent a lot of time dealing with incoming fire from fundies, have you?

I'm not bashing you. On the contrary, the ability to rattle of such obscurities is of value when dealing with the bible-belters.

arendt

[Ian David]

27. I'm not encyclopedic. The Google Is My Friend. I am a talented Googler. n/t

[Flubadubya]

21. McCain - Hussein... what's in a name?

:shrug:

[Evoman]

25. Don't flame, but playing that name game is rather lame.

[arendt]

31. I'm just amazed at the level of vitriol about calling our opponents a mildly nasty eptithet...

WTF is going on at DU? People inspecting for dirt on white gloves in the middle of trench warfare. I do not get it.

arendt

[rucky]

22. Don't smite me, bro! n/t

[NeedleCast]

28. I dont judge people based on their name

You shouldn't either.

[Ian David]

29. What if their name is Bigus Dickus?

[arendt]

30. See reply #12 n/t