So, I guess we're just going to let them all get away with it... Ain't that a bitch...

[mikelewis]

Hurry up now y'all... let's hurry up with this election and forget all about George and Dick... just forget about their molestation of America.

Let's just forget about the death they intentionally caused... deceitfully caused... heinously caused... just forget about it... you spineless mother fuckers...

Let's just forget about the torture they ordered our soldiers to administer to innocent civilians... yeah, that's fucking great... they ordered the torture and the soldiers sit in jail... America, you are fucking pathetic... sorry, but if you let these motherfuckers get away with this shit you have failed as a nation.

In nine months, they walk away from one of the most despicable crimes in human history and fade off like O.J. Simpson; to an obscure golf course sipping colada's... while we reap the harvest they have sown... you fucking Americans have got to be the out of your minds. If you don't hold them to account, history will forever judge our America as a historical embarrassment... a traitor to our magnificent potential.

Go ahead, let these murderous greed-driven demons walk... tell them that you know how weak you are and how strong they are... tell every vicious dictator that even America can be bent over in the shower and raped like a prison whore... and we'll just pretend it never happened. I have watched stories on daytime shock shows of mothers who knew their child was being molested but chose to pretend it wasn't happening... I had always believed that the mother really didn't know but now... as I watch Congress haggle over how much money they are going to give those two fucking murderers to go and murder some more people, I got to wonder if maybe there aren't some mothers who would just roll over in bed and cover their ears. It appears our entire nation is bursting at the seams with just that sort of person... and it is clear they have ample representation in Congress.

[TahitiNut]

1. Word.

:grr:

[RazBerryBeret]

2. that's one of the reasons I've supported

Obama. he's pledged that his AG will investigate this administration and all their crimes. I'm all for that, although I do wish it would've happened a few years ago.

[eridani]

12. AG John Edwards. or John Kerry?

I'd love to see it.

[RazBerryBeret]

13. I'd vote John Edwards!

that would be great, huh?

I seriously hope that they don't sweep this all under the rug the way Iran-Contra was swept away. that still pisses me off--and this is SO much worse!

[WritersBlock]

25. He has??? I missed that. Last I heard, he'd said just the opposite.

I will go back to his website now to try to find the information you describe, because that was the only thing keeping me from giving him my full support as a candidate.

[RazBerryBeret]

26. It made a big splash before PA primary....

it was the major story on Huffington Post for one day...since then I haven't seen it ....I thought that the media wasn't reporting on it (it was fueling my own little conspiracy theory...)

[RazBerryBeret]

35. Links:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/15/obama-would-immediately-r_n_96690.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/04/15/1431772-obama-would-ask-his-ag-to-investigate-bush-administration-crimes

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/04/15/bunch/

I think they're all reports of the same interview, but his line "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"....says it all!!!

[Horse with no Name]

40. Nothing mainstream?

No comments on the record from Obama? None on his website? I should think that such a proclamation would have the blogosphere buzzing...not just "one" interview.
Sorry if I cannot consider this a valid source.

[Horse with no Name]

39. Link?

I have NEVER seen such a proclamation from ANY candidate other than Kucinich.

[NotThisTime]

3. Our little state has two cities with warrants for their arrests! I like Vermont :)

[RazBerryBeret]

5. I saw that news story...

I think that is awesome! makes me want to move to Vermont!!!!!

[NotThisTime]

27. Yup, but Chaney and Bush will never step foot in this State!

And they never have...

As I said, I really like it here!

[babylonsister]

4. Winter Soldiers (IVAW) testified today in DC. I haven't forgotten.

And the Progressive Caucus won't forget after what they heard. Baby steps. Oh, and GI McCain's bill was shot down today while Webb's wasn't, and war funding was, too. It was a good day.

Baby steps, but people could be waking up.

[Dhalgren]

6. K&R, mike. But I am afraid you will be disappointed.

No way in hell will Obama investigate these giggling murderers. He will have to "heal the nation" and "bring everyone together". The giggling murderers will live long, happy lives in luxury paid for with blood-money. We all know that the Democrats will never investigate these bastards...we-all-know-they-won't...

[csziggy]

8. Remind our next president that Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon

to "heal the nation." And that set the stage for the Reagan administration ignoring Congress which gave the Neo-Cons the balls to go for a "Permanent Majority".

If Ford had said, "Too bad Dick, you ARE a crook!" and had thrown the book at Nixon and all his cohorts, then banned them from any association with government or media, the country would have cauterized the wound, healed and not left a festering scar that has broken out in the pus that is the current mis-administration.

We need the next president to take names and kick butt, restore the balance of power and limit the abuse of power that have become the norm in the Executive Branch.

[frogcycle]

14. the only way to heal is first to clean the wound

get rid of the stinking, festering, putrid mess of infection, cauterize the wound, then heal.

[Dhalgren]

16. Hey, you're preaching to the choir.

But don't ever bet on the Democratic "leadership" doing the right thing - it's a loser bet, every time...

[magellan]

7. My anger at the Dems is wrapped up in this one thing

They're going to let these bastards get away with everything. All the lies. All the corruption and cronyism, and best of all -- all the many many deaths, products of the aforementioned crimes.

Maybe others can forgive and forget...maybe others are happy to move on and let it go...but not me. The Dems have seriously damaged my hope for restoring our governmental system by not doing what's right here.

[Birthmark]

9. Sad but true.

[Individualist]

10. K&R

[Rex]

11. They say life is a bitch.

I think the small number of assholes ruin the party for the billions just trying to get by.

[Dhalgren]

15. And murder for profit is a really big bitch...

[struggle4progress]

17. We're gonna let em get away? I thought we were gonna pack em all off to Guantanamo.

When did the plan change? And how come I'm always the last to know?

[leftofthedial]

18. they'll not only walk,

they'll be back in power in 8 or 12 years.

[Ellipsis]

19. "How poor are they that have not patience!

What wound did ever heal but by degrees?
Thou know'st we work by wit, and not by witchcraft;
And wit depends on dilatory time."

Iago

The clock doesn't run out in 2009

[RainDog]

20. No. There's still hope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5986112&mesg_id=5986112

If the United States does not hold the Bush regime accountable, others who are signatory to the int'l criminal court will - including those at the highest levels of the British govt. Of course this assumes they are brought to the court, but I think that after the Republicans are defeated, there will be some sort of action to address these issues in the U.S.

We as a nation cannot allow this to stand as is.

Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Yoo, Bybee, Feith, Addington and others have knowingly and willfully committed crimes against humanity and if we expect to have any standing in the int'l community, we as a nation will have to address this.

I think it's finally starting to dawn on democrats that BushCo is so hated they can take this on. I think they were afraid to before. It needs to be a bipartisan effort, tho. And there are ppl on both sides who will support action against the Bush junta.

[SoCalDem]

21. It's the way American works..(or doesn't)

we never learn from history, and we just make the same mistakes over and over..

because we let the Iran Contra crooks off the hook, they retreated, licked their wounds and returned with a vengeance..

Watch for the younger ones in Bush's admin to return too. Hopefully it will be after I am long gone, but mark my words.. they will return to do even more damage..

we always try to choose the least aggressive route, and the scoundrels escape with the loot..every time...

[Golden Raisin]

22. They are not gone yet, nor

out of power. If they bomb Iran in, say October, or there is another large domestic terror attack (genuine or manufactured) they may not be gone at all.

[Greyhound]

23. Afraid you're right, hope we're wrong. K & R

:kick: & R

[Solly Mack]

24. Whenever politicians say America needs to heal I always hear it as heel

and they invariably follow the call to heal (heel) with the refusal to "subject" (because many actually use the word) the people to justice...except they call justice an ordeal...(subject the people to such an ordeal)

So we need to heal (heel) and not seek justice because justice is somehow worse for America than the actual crimes committed against America (and others)

while from the other side of their mouths they claim - "a nation of laws" and "the rule of law"...and my favorite "no one is above the law"


and they say all this with a straight face...

[Philosoraptor]

28. Only 10% of Americans give a damn.

The rest are cattle, awaiting processing.

[tom_paine]

30. Less than that, 'raptor. Much less than that.

I don't know about you, but I spent the years 2001-2007 "Paul Revere-ing" to just about anyone who would listen.

That number is much lower than 10%.

[thunderdog]

29. Hell, we (the American people) voted them in; as a result, we've

got the government we deserve.

It's like you said: <<<you f^(#!ng Americans have got to be the out of your minds>>>

[tom_paine]

31. No, we DIDN'T vote them in.

Forget Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 much?

Bushler has yet to be elected ONCE.

Having said that, we have been remiss (which is too tepid a word by about 1000X) to protect and defend the Republic that the Founding Fathers bequeathed us, when psychopathic, sociopathic tyrants came along and used an updated version of the Caesar-Hitler plan for turning Republics into tyrannies...to turn our Republic into a tyranny (a kinder and gentler one, for the moment).

So you are not entirly off the mark in your asertion that we have gotten the tyranny we deserve.

But it had nothing to do with us voting the Bushies in. They LOST in 2000 and 2004. They'll probably lose in 2008, but I have no confidence that we are going to stop the massive vote suppression, both manual and electronic, so get ready for Emperor McBush.

[LWolf]

32. We voted the complicit democrats in congress into office.

Those who refuse to put impeachment "on the table."

[tom_paine]

36. And what was the alternative, which would have been worse, no matter how spineless our Dems

have been?

Don't get me wrong. If you have ever read my posts before, you know that we are probably quite close in our assessment of the Vichy Dems and their Vichy-like reaction to Kinder and Gentler Hitler, post-Nov. 2006.

Having said that, they could not COULD NOT have been worse than the only other alternative we had, which was continued Bushevik Majorities.

What else could we have done?

[LWolf]

37. The only thing I can see to do, and to have done,

is to be more unified, more adamant, and LOUDER, about holding them accountable once we voted them in.

We could have underscored that by nominating a non-complicit Dem to run for president. We didn't.

Right now, people in Pelosi's district could elect Golub. That would send a strong message.

Anywhere there is a candidate more willing to stand up for us, we should be replacing complicit Democrats. They should feel the pressure of replacement breathing down their necks.

[tom_paine]

38. Agreed.

"You just tell them (n-words) to chill out, Jules. The Wolf is on his way."
--Marcellus Wallace in "Pulp Fiction"

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34. The 16 Ton Pardon...

It endlessly frustrates me to think this regime continues to plunder and commit criminal acts with impunity, that Rove can prance around on Faux and give the finger to a legal system he's perverted, that Rumsfeld and Feith revise their criminality to a lapdog corporate media...that there isn't a part of this regime that isn't corrupt and that more American will needlessly die or suffer. I wish this regime were gone yesterday and all these crooks were rounded up, but as long as this regime sits in power...a power they amassed over 6 years of a rubber stamp legislative, judiciary and corporate media...still shields them...and so does the power of the pardon.

While we have lots of smoke, the real fire won't be exposed until this regime and its large swath of "executive privilidge" is removed. We can hope the courts do this, but I have little faith in that...or we can do due dilligence...gather evidence and once this regime goes to demand accountability. With all the messes that have been created, all the scandals still smoldering...the floodgates will open.

Remember, any INDICTMENT, yet alone conviction will be pardoned by this regime...just like Scotter. The important thing is for us to continue digging and investigating and then demand Democrats to go after the real crimes and criminals once this regime's stench has been removed. Also, to prevent any attempts (and I expect them to be coming) of this regime to immunize itself on the way out the door.

[Greyhound]

41. The Constitution specifically forbids the President from pardoning in these circumstances.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html">"and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."