Just so there is no more confusion about what makes entry into the US legal

[JANdad]

Immigration Through the Diversity Lottery
Mexico (and many other CA Countries) are banned...

Immigration Through Employment
Not too many employers willing to jump through these hoops for unskilled workers...

Immigration Through a Family Member
Sponsoring family member must prove that they can support the applicant at 125% of poverty level

Immigration Through "The Registry" Provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act
Only applies to those that have been here illegally since before 1972.

Immigration Through Investment
Requires between $500k and $1M to apply.

Scroll to the bottom of the page for the above links...

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=4f719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=4f719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

Now I ask you...if you were desperate and needed to eat and support your family...what would you do?

[JANdad]

1. So no takers....

Wow...isn't it amazing what happens when confronted with the truth about RW talking poaints....


chirp, chirp...

[JANdad]

2. ....

kick

[Rage for Order]

3. I'd use the EB-3 visa application to immigrate

The people coming here from south of the border aren't starving. They merely wish to make more money than they can in their country of origin.

[JANdad]

4. You mean this one...

EB-3 classification includes:

Aliens with at least two years of experience as skilled workers;
Professionals with a baccalaureate degree; and
Other workers with less than two years experience, such as an unskilled worker who can perform labor for which qualified workers are not available in the United States.

While eligibility requirements for the EB-3 classification are less stringent than the EB-1 and EB-2 classifications, you should be aware that a long backlog exists for visas in the "other workers" category. The regulations for EB-3 workers are found at 8 CFR § 204.5.

Skilled worker positions are not seasonal or temporary and require at least two years of experience or training. The training requirement may be met through relevant post-secondary education. The Form ETA-750 (Labor Certification) states the job requirements, which determine whether a job is skilled or unskilled. For more information, please see the Department of Labor's Employment and Training Administration Website.

Professionals must hold a U.S. baccalaureate degree or foreign equivalent degree that is normally required for the profession. Education and experience may not be substituted for the degree.

Other workers are in positions that require less than two years of higher education, training, or experience. However, due to the long backlog, a petitioner could expect to wait many years before being granted a visa under this category. See How Do I Get an Immigrant Visa Number? for more information.


Yea I'm sure that works out really well for them...

And BTW...How do YOU know if people are not starving or not...do you take a poll at the border crossings?

[Rage for Order]

7. How do you know they are starving?

Have you heard any news reports of starvation in Mexico? I just googled 'Mexico Starving People' and there weren't any hits aside from reports of using corn to make ethanol.

Did you not notice this part of your own post:

"Other workers with less than two years experience, such as an unskilled worker who can perform labor for which qualified workers are not available in the United States."

Meaning American citizens get first shot at available jobs (I know, a radical concept), and then, if the employer can show that there aren't any citizens available to fill certain jobs, the employer can bring in foreign labor to do the work. If there truly is a shortage of people to do these jobs in the US, the employer shouldn't have much trouble in sponsoring a visa for unskilled immigrants.

[JANdad]

8. Well let's see

They die in droves attempting to cross the border out of desperation...so yes...I would imagine that a lrge part of them are in fact starving...

[Rage for Order]

9. So your answer, then, is that you don't know

Just because "you would imagine" doesn't make it so. The news stories concerning droves of starving Mexican people should be fairly easy to find, but yet you couldn't produce a single one. I searched, and none were found. You should find another pro-amnesty talking point.

[JANdad]

11. Here...

http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigration/a/IllegalImmi.htm

You might learn a thing or two...

[Lars39]

6. Besides cutting off their flow of water to farming regions,

The price of tortillas have gone up as much as 400%.

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:BJX_Bk5VndgJ:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6319093.stm+Mexican+riots+price+of+tortillas&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[backscatter712]

5. Immigration law is so fucking broken in this country.

It used to be that all you had to do was pay passage, get on a ship and go, and BOOM, you're a legal immigrant - you didn't even have to have papers or a passport - you just registered at Ellis Island, and you're in!

[knitter4democracy]

10. Anyone who thinks it's easy to go legally should have to do it.

My mom married a man of German citizenship. They went through all sorts of crap to get his green card, and they still can be surprised for some years yet with a home inspection to make sure they really are married.

Once, they made every single person who wrote an affidavit saying they were really married and he really was working come to the office in Detroit (including a friend who was in Kansas at the time). We got there and waiting for three hours (I was preggers and had a toddler--not fun) so the guy could talk to us, and all he did was poke his head out, ask which people were with Mom and her husband, nodded when we waved, and went back to his office. I could've strangled him.

The forms, the fees, the years of work, the constant harrassment, and even the retroactive changes in the law (read this site of a local guy who's in limbo because of that: http://www.freeibrahim.com/ )--it's all broken and seriously insane. Sure, we need to make sure people aren't terrorists or whatever, but we don't have to put kids in state prisons for months at a time and treat people like crap.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Too late to R

But I can still K.

Thanks for this. Great info!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. How many Mexicans died of starvation last year?

:shrug:

[High Plains]

15. Actually, obesity is more of a problem in Mexico than starvation.

Really noticeable in recent years...

But that doesn't mean there isn't severe poverty in Mexico. Just Google "mexico poverty level" for starters and you'll see that aboout 20 million Mexicans are living in "extreme poverty," and half of Mexicans live below the poverty line.

[Romulox]

14. This ignores the broader issue--America cannot sustain another 10 or 20 million unskilled laborers

"Fixing the system" can't mean an open border under any scenario, or it will mean the end of the middle and working classes.