Michael Moore sees danger in "Fahrenheit" follow-up

[marmar]

from Reuters, via MichaelMoore.com:



May 16th, 2008 6:42 pm
Michael Moore sees danger in "Fahrenheit" follow-up


By By Bob Tourtellotte / Reuters

CANNES, France - Oscar-winning documentary maker Michael Moore, who this week unveiled plans for a follow-up to his anti-Bush polemic "Fahrenheit 9/11," said on Friday the new film would cover topics so "toxic" he probably should not make it.

But Moore, whose work ranges from an expose of American gun culture in "Bowling for Columbine" to a scathing critique of U.S. health care in "SiCKO," relishes controversy, so his unnamed new movie will likewise be risky, he told reporters at the Cannes film festival.

"It's something I shouldn't make, something that is dangerous," he said.

But Moore divulged few details of the film, which he only recently began and is tentatively set for release roughly a year from now by independent studio Overture Films and Paramount Vantage International.

The movie, he said, would not be a "sequel" to "Fahrenheit 9/11" but it will focus on policies of the Bush administration, examining how they have affected the lives of Americans and the reputation of the United States around the world.

With the United States in the throes of an economic slowdown and military conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, Moore wondered aloud if the country had become like the Roman Empire before its fall. "Are we at that point yet?" he asked.

At box offices, his new movie will face risks. Recent films dealing with the current wars, such as "Stop-Loss" and "In the Valley of Elah," were commercial flops.

But Moore said he believed those movies failed because most Americans no longer support the wars, whereas in 2004, when "Fahrenheit 9/11" was released, most Americans still backed U.S. military pursuits in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He believes "Fahrenheit 9/11," which ranks as the top-grossing political documentary of all time with more than $220 million at global box offices, was a hit because it told audiences things about the Bush administration that they were surprised to hear.

Similarly, he said his new movie will succeed by exposing information about President George W. Bush and his policies that will leave audiences stunned.

"What I'm going to say in this film is what probably 70 percent of them (audiences) don't want to hear," Moore said.



http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=11505

[Faygo Kid]

1. We all fight Barack v. Hillary. And we forget who's president until January.

Michael Moore is and always has been right.

The danger is not just to him. It's to all of us.

I hope he's wrong. But he has rarely been wrong before.

[marmar]

4. Agreed....He stuck his neck out when nobody else would, at the Oscars.....

.... He's been a major contributor to the change in attitudes about this fraud war, whether or not anyone will admit it.

[bunkerbuster1]

23. What seemed obnoxious or out there, from MM, years back seems reasonable today.

I myself have gone from finding him something of a buffoon and an embarrassment to a national treasure.

[judasdisney]

30. McCain vs Moore at Refascistcan National Convention, Madison Sq Garden 2004

http://www2.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/31/mccain.moore/

[KharmaTrain]

22. Some Of Us Don't Play That Game...

The nomination is close to being a done deal...and whomever the candidate, I know this Democrat and many, many others will quickly forget the primaries and focus on Job #1...removing as many repugnicans from public office as possible. Not everyone here was that wrapped up in the primary games but have been more concerned with the crimes GOOpers have committed...and going after a fundamentally and morally flawed candidate (Gramps).

I'm looking forward to MM's follow-up. Damn right it's probably dangerous...look at what we've had to endure over the past 7 years...and best to chronicle it for the future.

I'll already predict that a follow-up will do better at the box office than the original F911 did.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. The report is it is that our government did 911

or had a very heavy hand on it. So I will leave it that.

I've got my sources.

[marmar]

8. No shit?

If so, is America ready to handle that? .... I'm pretty sure the rest of the world is.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. That's why he put the Statistics so High at 70%

That Americans will be told something they don't want to hear.

[Delphinus]

10. I've always thought

LIHOP (let it happen on purpose). After seeing David Ray Griffin and reading so much other stuff, I question if it wasn't MIHOP (Made it happen on purpose).

[TheMightyFavog]

20. Oh, god I hope it's not about that...

A MM film spouting off 9/11 tinfoil hat conspiracy theory bullshit is a sure way to get independent voters and disillusioned repubs leaning towards our side this year on our side.

:sarcasm:

[HamdenRice]

24. So if Moore proves a criminal conspiracy, you don't want it exposed?

That seems to be what you are saying. Moore is meticulous in documenting and proving every single charge in his films. If he makes a case for Bush complicity in 9/11, it will be only because he has proven it.

The evidence of LIHOP at least from mainstream media sources is already pretty overwhelming.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x678886

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Are you saying that under those circumstances, you don't want it exposed? You would rather not know, or does it mean cognitive dissonance would prevent you from absorbing it into your world view? Or are you saying that Independents and swing Republicans would actually be more loyal to the Republican Party if it turned out that the Republican administration was complicit in mass murder and domestic terrorism?

I'm all ears for your answers.

[TheMightyFavog]

25. OK, I for one think LIHOP is plausible.

But you start getting into demolition charges in the twin towers and cruise missiles hitting the Penatagon, that's where you start getting into the serious bullshit that would damage our chances in November.

[TMarcello]

26. completely agree

the Controlled Demolition Movement i.e. the 9/11 Truth Movement does way more harm than good.

[Pushed To The Left]

33. The article mentioned that it's set for release a year from now

If that's the case, it will be long after the November elections.

[Pavulon]

31. I bet the people

who had to pay the insurance policy would hate to be relieved of that liability.

We cant keep shit secret, leaks of classified and ts/sci stuff hits the press often.

You think we kept the lid on that?

[harun]

34. It won't be (n/t)

[Name removed]

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[Echo In Light]

36. He took a beating for avoiding the ugly truth the first time around

He deserves credit nonetheless though for having the first widely seen film to raise disturbing aspects of what was/is happening. Kudos to Mike.

[annabanana]

3. Well, He's got ME curious!. . . . . . . .n/t

[spartan61]

5. Michael Moore's new movie, coupled with Oliver Stone's

movie "W", should open the eyes of bush's supporters, but unfortunately,
it won't.

[tom_paine]

9. Loyal Bushies are mentally identical to Loyal Nazis. NOTHING can "open their eyes"

(I am speaking of the hardcore 20-30%, not the gullible)

You have as much chance of opening the eyes of a hardcore Bushie as you do of convincing a Nazi that Jews are people to.

[CoffeeCat]

13. The sick, sad truth is...

...that there are many psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists in this country
who are comforted and emboldened by the likes of George Bush and the neocons. They
know that George Bush is a sick fuck. They are appeased by that notion and flattered
that the nation is run by someone who is just as pathological as they are.

These very evil, pathological people run their families, their businesses and their
lives--with the same kind of sickness that Bush runs this country. Bush validates
their sickness.

There is a contingent of damaged goods in this country--and they know exactly what
George Bush is about--and they love it.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

6. I wish he could finish his film before November

and that it could deal a final blow to finish off the GOP beast.

[marmar]

7. Me too......

I'm already dying to see this movie.

[bonito]

12. Sometimes truth hurts, it's just the way it is

I don't like it either, but as they say no pain no gain and I welcome it.

[orleans]

14. here's a snip from the l.a. times:

While short on specifics — “I can’t obviously tell you what I’m really up to, because I want to be able to finish,” Moore says, adding that early details about “Sicko” gave health care companies an advantage — the filmmaker promises that his next movie will be “dangerous.”

Moore was quick to say that the film is not a sequel to “Fahrenheit,” Moore’s broadside against President Bush and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rather, the new movie will offer a withering look at America’s global conduct and reputation. “We have a big, big mess, and I don’t know if it can be cleaned up. The toxicity of the spill is just that great,” Moore says. “Since I made ‘Fahrenheit,’ our standing in the world had depleted to an even worse state.”

Even though he says the new film “isn’t about Bush,” the president is clearly a central target.

“He and his cronies and his supporters literally got away with murder,” Moore says. But it is also obvious that the country’s citizens share some of the blame, he says, which explains the proposed title being considered by distributors Paramount Vantage and Overture Films.

“I am going to take a look at the empire we’ve created and ask the question, ‘How did we get here?’”

Moore says Hollywood’s fictional Iraq films came out too late, and that is why most of them failed. Because “Fahrenheit” was early and debuted when the war still had support, he says, it was a hit. “I think the moviegoing public wants a sense of danger,” Moore says. “They want something where they are on the edge of their seats.”

He says his new film is intended to make people squirm, and will ask the question, “Are we at the points where the Romans were?” We’ll have to wait a year to hear his answer.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikeinthenews/index.php?id=11511

[defendandprotect]

15. Well --- I think he can now expect break-ins and wiretapping of his home and office ---

suspicious people following him and other odd events ---

take care of yourself, Mike!!!

[file83]

16. The only thing that would shock me would be if Moore said Bush was a good President.

Afterall 70% of American's would have a hard time agreeing that Bush has been good.

Short of that, nothing Moore could discuss in his film of Bush would shock me.

Then again, I'm someone who finds it hard to believe the Bush Administration wasn't involved in someway with allowing 9/11 to occur.

[marmar]

18. "The only thing that would shock me would be if Moore said Bush was a good President"

I'm pretty sure that's not going to be the focus of the movie. :)

[SoCalDem]

17. The ONE movie he did NOT make, but SHOULD have

was the one where he 'schools" America on the sad way we vote..

I know he probably feared litigation from the voting companies, but I was SOOOOOO hoping he would expose the whole mess back in 2001..If he had, by now we might have had a fair & transparent method of casting & counting votes..

But anything Mike does, is fine by me :)

[conspirator]

19. No film can shock me more than "the matrix"

It's the perfect metaphor for the fact that we are all slaves of an elite class.
And that our society is a totally artificial machine used to grow humans as if they were lifestock.

[harun]

35. Unfortunately I don't think enough of the masses figured that out when they

watched it. A good number did though, which was great.

[elehhhhna]

27. Please please please feature Sibel Edmond's story.

[judasdisney]

29. AMEN: Sibel Edmonds.

[TMarcello]

32. my post got deleted for suggesting the same thing!

I added Indira Singh, Randy Glass, the FBI asset that lived w/ two of the hijackers, Dr. Graham, and the Able Danger stuff.

But I really hope Moore investigated who the hell Wolfgang Bohringer really is. The FBI has used Hopsicker's work and this guy Bohringer is now wanted for questioning by the Feds.
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2006/11/15/fbi-raises-terror-alarm-over-flying-school/

according to Sander Hicks source in the FBI, Bohringer was apparently caught but let go.
http://www.voxpopnet.net/attascia.html

I hope Michael Moore's new movie broaches these extremely important issues. His last film was obviously more political (meant to influence the elections) whereas this one seems to be more about the truth (the reason he's releasing it AFTER the elections).

[krabigirl]

28. Sounds like a great film to me!