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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:56 PM
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Winning too many Congressional elections presents a problem for Democrats: ideological divide
NYT: Political Memo
Gaining Seats, Democrats Find Their House Ideologically Divided
By CARL HULSE
Published: May 18, 2008

While much of the Congressional political focus has been on the declining fortunes and numbers of House Republicans, House Democrats have their own problem: They are winning too many elections.

By prevailing in conservative districts where they ordinarily would not have a chance, Democrats are widening the ideological divide in their own ranks and complicating their ability to find internal consensus. It is a nice problem to have, but it is one that can bedevil party leaders. As their numbers expand, they have to juggle the competing interests of Travis Childers, the newly elected pro-gun, anti-abortion, anti-tax representative from northern Mississippi and someone like, say, Nancy Pelosi, a pro-gun control, liberal abortion-rights advocate from San Francisco who sees government as a solution.

Ms. Pelosi, who as speaker will have the job of managing these increasingly divergent philosophies, said it was to the advantage of the party and the nation to mesh such differing views. “We welcome the diversity of opinion that exists in our country,” she said, “and we want our solutions to America’s problems to reflect that diversity.” But the strain of balancing the political imperatives of a right-of-center to pretty far left-of-center caucus has already strained the Democratic majority in the House. In the most recent example, the party’s intricate scheme for passing a war spending bill collapsed Thursday when most Republicans sat out the war money vote and most Democrats, who oppose spending more money on combat in Iraq, voted against it.

That left the Democratic majority without the votes to pass a spending bill that, in the leadership’s calculation, is essential to protecting the party’s image on national security as well as members from conservative districts who cannot afford to be seen as failing to support troops in the field. Most of those lawmakers, including many freshmen, backed the war funds. The money will no doubt be approved eventually, but the outcome exposed a vexing divide among Democrats on handling of the war spending. Of course, the vote also left Republicans trying to explain why they were abstaining on financing a war they support as the crucial front in the war on terror, but that is another story.

Democrats elected themselves into this situation. In picking up 30 seats in 2006, Democrats walked away with some in Republican territory, with the result that many of the newcomers are representing districts where the voters are not completely in sync with the Democratic agenda. True, many of the seats were from the Northeast and Midwest, where the ideological gap can be manageable. But others, like Representative Heath Shuler of North Carolina, are outliers when compared to the average Democratic member. Now, Mr. Childers and Representative Don Cazayoux, a fellow newcomer from Louisiana, have the kind of conservative credentials that should put them to the right of the caucus....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/washington/18cong.html?_r=1&oref=login
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:12 PM
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1. Possibly leading the way for a sort of neo-"Conservative Coalition" in the House?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_coalition

Our Democratic majorities have had to endure strong conservative elements quite often in the past and may have to in the future as well.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:32 AM
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8. We take the "victories" we can get, and "control" them
by the committees they sit on. They have ONE vote on the floor, and no matter their proclivities, there IS comfort in a larger majority...a newbie congresscritter, is unlikley to have much clout, and he will have to go along to get along..like any other new person.

A skillful leader can steer legislation and overcome a few who go another way.

Dems have ALWAYS had MANY agendas, unlike republicans, whose main agenda has always been maninly pro big-money and anti anthing-democratic..

A new anti-choice dem has to know that he will be in the minority, and may just head for cover on those issues..

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:18 PM
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2. It will become a problem if most of the new Democrats are conservatives.
At that point, the Democrats will essentially be split on the agenda, leading perhaps to paralysis or an incoherent strategy.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:28 PM
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3. Calling Childers Anti-tax is deceiving
He is a pure economic populist and ran his campaign as such.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:55 PM
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4. I've often wondered what the party can count on blue dogs for.
On which issues are they a perceptible help?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:06 AM
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5. It's a problem I'd love to have! n/t
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:56 AM
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6. Election women-haters who would rob us of control over our own bodies
is no victory at all in my book.

I am ashamed of our party leadership for touting Childers as a victory, now that I've learned what he really stands for.

I do not believe our party should endorse or support ANY Democrat who will not protect a woman's right to choose.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:17 AM
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7. The Red States are Still as Red as Ever
We can "win" there only by running DINOs, it seems.
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