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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:13 AM
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"It's chaotic … it's sandlot baseball. It's …''A Working Man's Revival'
First off, I do not like the column title using the words "working man."

It is a revival being held in Central Florida that is drawing people from around the world and around the country. They have had to change the venue several times because of the huge crowds. This write-up is about a Monday night service, and there were only 3000.


Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley speaks last week at the revival, which resembles a rock concert.

'A Working Man's Revival'

I find the title a tad strange because I think the "working people" theme has been way overdone for a long time. There are all kinds of "working people" who earn their living in many ways and who prefer different religious experiences. This is stereotyping.

It resembles a rock concert. The crowds have listened to an hour of loud, power-chord Christian rock music, singing, "We are the generation who'll stand and fight; in the midst of all the darkness, carry the light."

Tonight, visiting evangelist Todd Bentley says he has been told by a prophet, Bob Jones, that 13 wise virgins would carry the revival forward. So Bentley calls teenagers up to the stage and "anoints" them, touching them and watching many fall backward, a practice Pentecostals call being "slain in the Spirit." It's just the beginning of an hours-long service.



People worship and sing during the "Florida Outpouring" revival last week at The Lakeland Center.

A Dean of Regent University, founded by Pat Robertson, said that "This is kind of looked-for and prayed-for in the Pentecostal world...Everyone is looking for the next revival. When they hear of it, they want to go."

Attendance reached about 10,000 one night recently when the revival was held at Joker Marchant Stadium. Recent crowds have ranged from 3,000 to 7,000 per night, with about 800 in the mornings, although the numbers swell on weekends, Stephen Strader said.

.."Revival leaders are expected to announce today that beginning May 26, they will hold evening services on the grounds of Sun 'n Fun Fly-in under a giant inflatable "air dome" that will hold up to 10,000 people. It will be the home of the revival "indefinitely," said Lynne Breidenbach, a spokeswoman for the revival.


There are several universities nearby that were and are bible colleges, and they are growing.

It is not uncommon to stop for a burger and have people come to the car and begin preaching. We even had to ask someone we had hired for some work around our home not to preach to us, just do the work.

The Third Wave

Some Pentecostal observers are calling the Lakeland revival the "third wave," following the "Toronto Blessing" that began in January 1994 and overlapped with the Brownsville Revival that began in June 1995 at Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola. In both of those revivals, there were daily services for more than two years, and both featured claims of miraculous healing and prophetic messages and worship practices not usually found in most churches, such as speaking in tongues and "holy laughter," in which worship leaders and portions of the crowd are seized with long bouts of hysterical laughter.



Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley lies on the stage at the "Florida Outpouring" revival last week at The Lakeland Center. Bentley has preached, prayed in tongues, relayed prophetic messages and laid hands on people wanting to be healed from a wide range of troubles, from financial difficulties to mental illness to cancer.

I judge no man's religion. I do judge the title that appears to stereotype working people into one category. Working class people have many kinds of religious preferences.



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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:20 AM
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1. And the Fundies get upset when I call their religion a cult...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:04 PM
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2. A related article....one family just came and stayed.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080510/NEWS/805100575/-1/newssitemap

"LAKELAND -- Cassandra Serine and her two teenage children already were planning to leave Thomasville, Ga. They say they wanted more from their lives and their church. They found it on God TV, live from Lakeland.

Eight days ago, the Serines joined pilgrims drawn by coverage of what organizers are calling the "Florida Outpouring," evangelist Todd Bentley's monthlong healing revival. Since then, they have slept each night in a tent in a Lakeland-area campground. A month in, and more than a week after it moved to stadium locations, Bentley's healing revival is rolling on. By now, the number of worshippers likely has topped 70,000, based on crowd estimates from venue operators. The Serines say they are getting what they need to survive in Lakeland.

We just pray each day to God for provision," said Cassandra Serine, 47. And how is that working?

"I'll show you," said her 17-year-old son, Michael, whipping out his wallet and showing off at least $300 in fresh, crisp $20 bills. "People just give us money."


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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:47 PM
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8. During the depression, people would sign onto the traveling revival shows and carneys
a sign of the times.. people so disconnected that they are easily swept along..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:22 PM
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11. It sounds so sad, doesn't it?
He was so proud of the money people had given them.

There must many more like that we know nothing about.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:27 PM
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3. Any "service" that is hours long
is not about worship or preaching, it is about brainwashing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:44 PM
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6. Very likely.
I had been hearing about these services, but I only heard one person who had been. He said they stayed for hours and could not sleep that night at all. I got the impression he felt disturbed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:32 PM
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4. I'll correct the writer slightly
this is indeed the third revival. The first two happened in the 19th and 20th centuries and both lasted about ten years.

This too shall pass

And if it does not and this become fully and truly mainstream, and it may... we as a nation are fucked for the same reasons people are in countries where religion takes over the state
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:45 PM
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5. This article was front page center and filled most of the inside
of the paper...and I found it just too much. It is upsetting to see that fill a paper.

There is so much wrong with our country...and this kind of stuff filling a paper is just too much.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:45 PM
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7. Codespeak for "racists welcome here"
:(
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:50 PM
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9. At least there seems to be some sanity in the "discuss" section.
I am glad to see that there is a fair amount of skepticism among the readership.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:56 PM
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10. I missed that at first. I liked this one especially.
"My husband & I took a moment yesterday to look at some of the character's (Todd Bentley) speeches/healings on the internet just so we could see for ourselves what all the hullabaloo is. Apparently Mr. Bentley is a Dentist as well. One woman claimed she came in w/o molars and 2 gold ones appeared in her mouth while she was there. Perhaps I should cancel my husband's dental appointment tomorrow and maybe he can just go sit at the revival and his teeth will be miraculously cleaned by Mr. Bentley! I myself would be very upset if gold teeth just appeared in my mouth as I would have nothing less than porcelain enamels!! This could be the best thing that ever happened to Polk County from a dental health standpoint because we all know that the last thing on most Polk Countians mind is the DENTIST!! Anyway, thanks for the chuckle. Now we know what to watch for laughs if there is nothing good on TV. Maybe Mr. Bentley can spirtually fix my plumbing at the house as well. In fact, I would really love a trip to Europe...hey even Disney would be acceptable...whatever Mr. Bently can arrange with Jesus would be fine!!"

Yes, a lot here are in the real world....but unfortunately too many are not. I mean 10,000 a service at times? Setting up permanently at the Sun and Fun site?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:21 AM
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14. Oh, don't worry...
come March 1, either the Pentecostals will be properly imbued in the Spirit and will go back to their lives, or someone who owns both a plane and a bulldozer will cause them to be properly imbued in the spirit.

These fundie nutcases may have the Lord on their side, but the plane owners have more money to pump into the local economy and they're not nearly as irritating.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:17 PM
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12. Really sick!
These witchdoctors are no less than predators.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:20 PM
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13. I'm still stuck on the phrase "Canadian evangelist".
I mean.... I guess it's no surprise that there are few of them. I just didn't think that most Canadians really gave a shit about bible-bangers.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:29 AM
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15. Why do you think he's down here?
Follow the money.

And I thought my dentist was bad when he tried to get me sucked into Amway.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:52 AM
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16. The spirit of Jim Jones
lives because weak minded people like the Bush Davidians believe thinking is for the unsaved.
This way for the Kool Aid.
They drive cars at high speeds on our freeweays and some of these "working people" probably drive school buses full of unsuspecting children.
Thank Zeus I'm a Democrat.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:55 PM
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17. I had a girlfriend in Lakeland.
It was "blessed" by the local industry, the hometown of Publix supermarkets. It was a pretty, quiet place with 1950's architecture. (The hometown scenes of Tim Burton's Edward Scissorhands was filmed there; you'll recognize the shopping mall instantly.)

My ex taught remedial reading there. The schools were filled with the children of migrant workers, most of whom read at about half their expected grade level. There were hicks and creationists and nuts in the schoolboard; she only held her job as long as a sensible black school board member was in his job.

Point being: there are lots of Lakelands out there, between the big cities. This is where Obama needs to go, to try to show he is not a demon or a terrorist or a thing from Hell. Which is certainly what this tent-show evangelist was whispering in the ears of this crowd.
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