Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.

http://radarmagazine.com/from-the-magazine/2008/05/government_surveillance_homeland_security_main_core_01.php

[Clear Blue Sky]

1. Lovely. Welcome big brother...

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. So, anyone want to guess if the 120, 625 DU members are on that list?! NT

[barbtries]

45. my money says they are

these motherfuckers.

i'm not hiding. i already choose my words carefully, so they already have me imprisoned in a sense. but i'm not hiding. if this comes to pass i figure they'll find out first hand and finally that they cannot control 300 million people who don't want what they want. empire my ass. dictatorship, no way.

peace.

[Webster Green]

3. I would be deeply insulted to learn I wasn't on the list..

Agent Mike, can you double check on this for me?

You can PM me for my personal data.

Thanks, you fucking Nazi pig! :patriot:

[shadowknows69]

43. Lol, me too

It hasn't' been for lack of trying. Half my poetry could probably get me a look.

I'm nearly crippled you fascist bastards so don't go to too much trouble, I won't get far.

[gateley]

4. Naomi Wolf is on "the list"

when she flies.

[eRaffle.com]

5. List of Citizens

hmmmm.....

[angrycarpenter]

6. It is a certainty

8 million names is stupid. You could not even begin to hassle them all with every soldier and cop we have. It is an delusion that they have real control over us. If there was a general uprising the police and guard would be quickly over run.

I could see trimming the list down to the most dangerous radicals but right now that list should be full of anti-government libertarians. They are the ones to watch. That is where the most hardcore conservatives are going as a group. The bunker-diggers. The apocalypse worshipers. The Waco revengers.

I bet they are nowhere to be found on that list, instead it is likely filled with everyone who has ever posted here or at other liberal sites or rented a Michael Moore movie. Guilty on both counts.

I have thought about this before, If we were all rounded up they would take the freepers who come here to disrupt things too. Can you see them in the concentration camp saying "I don't belong here I love Emperor Cheney"?

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. From the halls of who's who in history

you DO know the Gulags disappeared about fifty million people.

You are also aware the Germans took 14 million who died.

Eight million with CURRENT technology is so damn easy it is not even funny!

[angrycarpenter]

9. Neither Germany or Russia had to deal with a population like ours

Propaganda was key to those programs of extermination, The population had relatively few guns and had been indoctrinated to submit the government and follow the orders they were given. The main difference is that they never had a widespread civil uprising in the home country.

They could try it and maybe eliminate quite a few but in the end Americans will not stand for it. They could not keep the lid on forever.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. What the hell do you think has been happening over the last seven years

en force in the US? Yes, we call it propaganda

And you think that gun will protect you... from recent history you are aware that almost every adult male Iraqi has a gun, as in an AK

THought so.


Tell me, how well did they resist Hussein in '91


We are not that exceptional, that is PART OF THE MYTH.

And you scare ANY population enough, game, set match... and the first thing you do is arrest your A list, and TRY THEM... they are guilty before you try them... and then kill them. The rest will shut up... and fall right in line. If they don't... you go for your B list, and so on

Jesus H Christ, folks don't have a fucking clue how authoritarian states work, and how they have worked for literally hundreds of years! The only thing that is new is the technology, but every authoritarian state has followed the same book... and these guys are up to point nine out of a ten point plan!

[angrycarpenter]

18. I'm not trying piss you off or anything

I have no doubt that they might try it but it will ultimately fail. It would turn into a civil war that would destroy us but we will not be scared into a lockstep acceptance of an overt totalitarian state. The first thing they would have to do is shut down the internet to control information. Without the net to preoccupy us the streets would fill immediately.

We are exceptional in the fact that we have the most diverse population the world has ever seen. We are socially networked in ways that our government will never get a handle on. It is a sheer impossibility to scare enough of us into that kind of submission.

Besides the police and military would mutiny before they would do the kinds of purges Russia is famous for.

Food, Fuel, internet, guns. Screw with any of those and we will be ungovernable by anyone by any means.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. And I am stating facts, we are almost there

You may not accept it, but bubba down the street will, in fact has accepted all of this

The last seven years should be a wake up call as to how docile the US Population has become

And shutting the internets... it is so damn easy it is not even funny. We control the root servers... for starters, as in the US Government controls the root servers

The world has tried to move some of them OUT of the US for the last seven years, for a reason and at this point they'd better think of a parallel system.

The process is incremental and the population will accept right now what it would not have in 2000... the great writ of Habeas Corpus for example... it's been suspended with barely a peep but those of us who have a clue.

Oh and you can take to the streets all you want, but it will not make a tinkers damn until we do something more than just march or force them to run this on the teeevees... they control the message... and I have been on the streets by the way. Have done far more than just march, but that is another matter, and why at this point shutting up will do me no good... and I am in them lists... hell the party line gets cute at times.... but the old standby (fuck hoover) usually gets them to disconnect.

For example, did you know there were tanks at a demo in Los Angeles back in 2004?

If you do, you are amongst the very few who do.

[Selatius]

22. If it's a civil war, it's too late. You and countless others would be in mass gaves. Talk to Spain.

They had their civil war against fascism in the 1930s, and fascism won that war. It took several decades before some semblance of democracy returned.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. And only after Franco died

[Selatius]

34. And only recently has the Socialist Party even broached the issue of re-examining the Civil War.

In decades past, this was never done.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. In my view this country NEEDS a truth and reconciliation commission

or perestroyka and it will come.... well after I am dead and buried

And for similar reasons that it is taking two generations removed from Franco to even ask in Spain

[magellan]

10. They're welcome to try

They'd probably be successful if they did. But if they think that's going to shut me up, they've got another guess coming.

I'd rather be detained than silently witness the final death throes of the America I love.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. They will go down the lists until people fall in line

in fact, you are already seeing behavior CLASSIC of police states.

I don't care.. but that is because I made a decision... and I know the consequences, but people are self editing themselves in what they carry on planes to read

People are watching what they say on phones, I mean the party lines and all.

People are now starting to watch what they say to strangers

Trust me on this, BEEN THERE DONE THAT , seen this... and it is HERE

That mythical america is dead it died in 2000

We are still fighting the bastards, but there will come a time that you too will have to decide if they finish their plan

[magellan]

17. Yeah, I know

We were saying all this ages ago. Always makes me think of the song "Vincent", although I know the subject matter was quite different:

"They weren't listening, they aren't listening still. I guess they never will."

I'm just not willing to give the tyrants any satisfaction. I don't and won't censor myself. If I die for it then I die for the country I grew up believing in, the one that was nowhere near perfect but was striving to better itself all the time. I realize that's gone. I've cried over it. But that doesn't mean I stop being true to myself and honoring what I believe being an American means. They can never destroy that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. i don't censor myself either

but at least I know what is going on and I don't have kids....

That is a big thing. If I had them, I think I'd have to balance that even more carefully

I hate to be a Cassandra on this, but the pollyanans truly irk me... mostly because I know this can be stopped... if we all collectively wake the hell up (and fast), But we are running out of time to do that

And no, it does not involve any guns or ammo or anything like that. Resistance is far more sophisticated than being a trigger puller

[magellan]

24. Indeed

We have no children either. We don't own weapons, well, aside from a baseball bat. I don't plan on being a hero. If it comes to it we'll try to get out, but if we can't I'll go quietly if it comes to it. There's no point in arguing with high-powered weapons and the will to use them.

The pollyannas just give me an incredulous look whenever I talk about this. I don't blame them. I don't like to believe it myself. And I hope we're wrong. But if it happens...I won't be a "good German". That's all I'm saying. I won't compromise my beliefs to survive.

And I hate this phrase but "make no mistake", that's exactly what they want. Good Germans who'll compromise their beliefs and principles and do exactly what they're told. They want to kill the idea.

They really believe they can do that! lol, I just have to laugh at it. You can't kill the desire to be free without killing every last person on the face of the planet. And doing that is kind of counter-productive.

[Selatius]

25. There's no point to self-censorship. They already have their lists drawn up.

The funny part is this government openly admits that it used intelligence resources to spy on Americans outside of any judicial review, and congress does nothing, and the people have so far done nothing.

If people weren't so fearful and accepting of government, there would've been a national strike on such news. There would be protests like in the Ukraine or France 1968. Those people got further than we have. At least they stood up and did something...anything.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Or the US.... 1968

you think you could have a Black Panther give the salute in Beijing these days?

For those who don't get the reference, during the Olympic games many of the Black Athletes gave the Black Panther salute while on the medal stand at Mexico City... and this was three weeks after Tlatelolco when the Mexican Army went to town with the population

[noise]

30. Many people believe

the police state policies are required counterterrorism tactics. Questioning pre-9/11 conduct by Tenet, Rice, Ashcroft, Bush and Cheney=unpatriotic conspiracy nuttery.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. You nuts

:-)

Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Selatius]

33. Take that as a sign of a decaying democratic tradition. If you can get people to believe...

that it is necessary to suspend certain rights in the name of national security, then it would not take too long to get them to believe that at some point suspension of all rights is necessary to "win the war" or ensure security.

When the Roman Senate formally transferred power to Octavian Caesar and was then crowned Augustus Caesar, people always assumed the Principate was established with the intention of nursing the Roman Republic back to health and that then power would be transferred back to the Senate. People assumed the Principate was temporary in nature.

It became permanent because new excuses were invented to forestall returning power back to the Senate. Eventually, people grew accustomed to the Principate, and all pretenses about the Republic were simply forgotten. The Republic was at long last dead.

[noise]

36. I just read a book called Rubicon

It's a novel in which the current administration (presumably the Bush administration) seeks to postpone the election after a series of terrorist attacks. The theme is that if this line is crossed (granting the Executive branch the power to determine if and when elections are held) the US republic will reach a point of no return.

[Selatius]

39. We're easily one terrorist attack away from testing that theory, and that's what people don't..

realize. They either refuse to see the warning signs, or they simply don't know because of ignorance. People keep thinking it happens to others but not to us over here.

[InkAddict]

40. I Claudius...play the fool, write in down, and watch out for poison.

Just think if just DU's 120,265 plus or perhaps many million journalists bear witness into the future. Things may return to the ancient ways of "story-tellers" but the ideals and principles of "free" people will endure until the end of time.

[hack89]

44. Will an Obama administration expose the lists

or is he in on it too?

[reggie the dog]

41. I have been self editing for decades

Ever since I realized that I could not talk about that certain plant my daddy smoked. My father taught me to watch what you say on phones. When one of my buddies said something like "weed" I just cold hung up. You always gotta watch out for strangers because that dude asking for some grass, even if they are smoking a joint with you, just might be a snitch. The police state really got going under the war on drugs. It is nothing new.

[stillcool]

8. whatever happened to the Anthrax Case?

and they still haven't found Whitey Bulger. Funny what our government spends it's time on.

[magellan]

13. They can find whoever they want

Which says everything about how much they want to find the anthrax terrorist and OBL.

[ColbertWatcher]

12. I'm on the list...

...I can't wait to meet everyone!

West Coast representin'!

[Aragorn]

15. yeah, it is already happening.

Ask Siegelman.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Somebody pass the duckie a cigar.. DING, DING. DING

and what happened down there is a classic of ANY authoritarian state

Ah yes, Soviet Alabama is a place I'd like to avoid

Oh that is not a duckie... sorry about the duckie

[noise]

19. Conflating the leaders with the state

Patriotism=supporting the leaders. Thus, we now have a situation where cheerleading for torture=patriotism.

The Big Lie is that Bush acts in good faith. Everything stems from that idiotic authoritarian talking point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. This is worth watching for all of those in denial

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3312429

[L. Coyote]

27. Looks like someone is hyping a magazine to me.

How do we know this isn't just fiction. Who is the source?

Damn, people are so gullible, they buy bottled water, and hot air!

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. And the military commission act is a figment of my imagination?

that is but one example

[L. Coyote]

37. Magazine hyping is possible under the Military Commissions Act, as plainly evidenced here!

WTF is wrong with people here on DU. Why the assaults on reason? FCS, think for a second!!

[neighborsteve]

32. Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

A secret list? In a file drawer somewhere?
No, duplicated many times with many variations per agency, most likely. So somewhere in the web a strand can wiggle out?

[Jed Dilligan]

38. I'm sure this list has been in existence for 50+ years

The only news is they now have the data systems in place to act fast.

[crimsonblue]

42. I'm probably on that list

and I will not go quietly into the night.

[benEzra]

46. There's certainly a secret list of people who can't fly...

and the administration wants to deny those on the list the right to own guns, the right to hold certain jobs, etc. And unfortunately there are those, even here on DU, who support that.