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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:02 PM
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McCain dumped Hagee, tonight he is dumping Rod Parsley.
McCain Rejects Right-Wing Preacher Rod Parsley, Too

John McCain has now publicly rejected the support of yet another powerful right-wing preacher, Rod Parsley of Ohio, after rejecting the endorsement of John Hagee earlier today.

McCain said of Parsley, a self-proclaimed "Christocrat" who has declared that America was founded with the mission of destroying Islam: "I believe there is no place for that kind of dialogue in America, and I believe that even though he endorsed me, and I didn't endorse him, the fact is that I repudiate such talk, and I reject his endorsement."

Parsley is in many ways a different case from Hagee, who at the end of the day can only deliver votes in what is already the safe Republican state of Texas. Parsley controls an evangelical vote operation that was pivotal in President Bush's 2004 Ohio victory. If Parsley were to view this as anything more than a pro forma rejection for the sake of appearances, it could have very real consequences down the road.


More about Reverend Parsley of the Patriot Pastors.

Rod Parsley 2005: Ohio will be a training ground to launch a national reformation....a theocracy.

``The vision of our country's founding generation and the inspiration of great reformers of the past are colliding with unprecedented moral decay and cultural decline,'' Parsley told the crowd. ``Today we come to declare a new movement that is an answer to the crisis of our times.''

Ohio will be a training ground that will launch a national reformation, he said. At his call, the crowd repeated several times the Ohio state motto, ``With God, all things are possible,'' with a volume that reverberated against the tall buildings surrounding the Statehouse. He brought with him his own security, a media relations firm, singers, rappers and television cameras. A big-screen television near Parsley played a three-minute video on the effort to save Ohio, including the institution of marriage.

Parsley said he has a three-fold plan: evangelize at least a million people, one in 10 of whom will become converts; help the disadvantaged; and register up to 400,000 new Ohio voters over the next four years.


Bill Moyers segment on the Patriot Pastors.

The Ohio Restoration Project is spreading. In one month alone last year in the president's home state of Texas, a single Baptist preacher added 2000 "Patriot Pastors" to the rolls. On his website he now encourages pastors to "speak out on the great moral issues of our day.to restore and reclaim America for Christ."


And from the Texas Republican Party.

Highlights
Tax Cuts, p. 17 - "The Party urges the IRS be abolished," and the following taxes eliminated: "income tax, inheritance tax, gift tax, capital gains, corporate income tax, payroll tax and property tax."

Tax cuts are accompanied by Downsizing the Federal Government on p. 19 -
We support the abolition of ... the Bureau of Tobacco and Firearms, the position of Surgeon General, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Education, Commerce and Labor. We also call for the de-funding or abolition of the National Endowment for the Arts, and Public Broadcasting System.

Deregulation - Adherents of Dominion Theology support deregulation of industry. They use terms such as "unfettered" or "unhampered" by regulation. The first three agencies listed in the above paragraph are all regulatory agencies. The Texas GOP Platform calls for business to be "unencumbered by excessive government regulation." (p.1, preamble)

Biblical Law - Dominion theology calls for a government based on Biblical Law, relying on the Ten Commandments as its guiding source. Therefore, posting of the Ten Commandments in public buildings has great symbolic value.


Who's next?




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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:04 PM
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1. Where have all the pastors gone, long time passing?
When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:06 PM
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2. overall this is a good thing
if it's something that is lasting and these people are no longer influential nationally.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:06 PM
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3. He may not realize it, but he just gave Bob Barr more of his GE votes
:rofl:
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:15 PM
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4. Thanks floridian, but these idiots neither understand God nor the bible! God is love and if you
live in love you live in God. Without exception, That's what the desciple John taught us.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:21 PM
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5. I agree.
I saw my church being hijacked by people like this. So now I am a recovering Southern Baptist.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:31 PM
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6. Me, too!
And the recovery is life-long.

I'm came to my parting of the ways when my church gave Ollie North $20K in the 80s to come and tell 'em all about Gawd.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:36 PM
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8. We parted ways when they preached in favor of the Iraq invasion.
And when I called the church and complained that God was not warlike, I was accused of being unpatriotic.
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:28 AM
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13. What? That's not religion it's politics. Stick to the Golden Rule dude!
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:21 AM
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22. Permit me to jump in here for a moment.
The following is a post I just posted a minute ago on another site, where the discussion was concerning those who would actively try and manipulate Armageddon.

"This is simply for clarification of Christian Theology.

From the King James version, Mark 13:32

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

I chose the most archaic version to demonstrate the startling clarity of this pronouncement.

Anyone, therefore, who arrogates to himself the task of bringing about end times is not living in accordance with the purpose and plan of God.

I would suggest that those in accordance with Hagee are, in fact, not Christians.

Regardless of how loud they yell."
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 11:33 PM
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7. I think McCain thinks this is a good version of
Playing conservative to the base to get the nomination then moving to the middle to win the presidency. By seeking Hagee's nomination, he tried to show his conservative bona fides, and now he needs to dump the guy in order to appeal to the rest of the electorate, but I think he's overplaying his hand here.

TlalocW
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 12:11 AM
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9. McChange is at it again...the Geeko is using different colors to FOOL US
We need to strip him of the facade he erects.....asap....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:00 AM
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14. McDipshit has a new preacher...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:52 AM
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16. Halleluja...farting preachermans...LOL...thanks for the chuckle.....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:06 AM
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17. The Rev. is full of shit just like Brother John.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:15 AM
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18. Brother John keeps firing people / preachers left and right
What are his views on Karl Roves refusal to appear before Congress...would he Pardon Rove??
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 04:25 AM
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19. He needs to employ a dude by the name of John R. Butler and..
to listen to Mr. Butler's song...'The Hand of the Almighty'

http://cdbaby.com/cd/johnrbutler

He might get a good lesson here too...from a tune called...'Vampars'

http://cdbaby.com/cd/johnrbutler2
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:06 AM
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10. Ooookay, So Hillary can't quit and Mc Cain can't quit firing people.
Alrighty then Obama it is.
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:40 PM
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27. I don't know about that...
I think the Bush administration would have done better if it had fired a few people.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:08 AM
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11. But McCain vows to keep Sage, Rosemary and Thyme
:)
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:16 AM
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24. Nice!
:rofl:
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:11 AM
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12. "With God, all things are possible" The SS motto "Gott mit uns", God is with us. Heil F'n Hitller
Edited on Fri May-23-08 01:12 AM by gbrooks
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:25 AM
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15. More, from Mother Jones: "McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam" by David Corn
McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
Washington Dispatch: Televangelist Rod Parsley, a key McCain ally in Ohio, has called for eradicating the "false religion." Will the GOP presidential candidate renounce him?

By David Corn
March 12, 2008

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam.

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:
I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.
More:
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:04 AM
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20. I'm a christian, but I applaud dumping clergy in a campaign
Since churches (supposedly) are not supposed to endorse a political candidate, its time to change this deceitful and pointless involvement between church and state.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:17 AM
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21. That speaks well for his character, doesn't it?
The trick is to have never been remotely involved with such scurrilous beings in the first place.

With this bold move he has demonstrated:

a) He lacks discernment

b) He lacks fidelity

c) He has no moral fiber whatever.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:26 AM
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23. Mission Accomplished
Remember, Gramps needed Hagee more during the primary season...a hedge against Hucklenutz and his fundies. He also was a pipeline to much needed cash that kept Gramps bus rollin'. Now where are the fundies to go? And does Gramps really need 'em? He thought he could have it both ways...and probably still might try, but it doesn't matter now. Here's hoping these people just stay home and pray all election day.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:39 AM
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25. The Republicans have been using religious fundies to get elected for years.
Then, they discard them and ignore their agendas. You'd think these nutjobs would have caught on by now.

Are we any closer to overturning Roe v. Wade? I don't think so.

Has same-sex marriage been totally stifled in this country? I don't think so.

Do you really think Jesus would be waging wars and meddling in peoples' lives the way the U.S. has in the Middle East? I don't think so.

These alleged religious "leaders" are not real Christians. They're just snake oil salesmen who really worship the almighty dollar.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:08 PM
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28. They just might stay home in Ohio
Parsley was well organized with his pastors there. Caught us all off guard.
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:39 PM
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26. But-But-But Hagee isn't McCain's PASTOR
I thought the talking point on Hagee is that he's not McCain's pastor (like Jeremiah Wright is to Barack Obama), and therefore, Obama can be tied to Wright but McCain can't be tied to Hagee. If that's the case, why did McCain feel the need to disassociate himself from Hagee?

And how long will it be until McCain comes back, hat in hand, and begs for Hagee's support again?

By the way, can anybody tell me WHO McCain's pastor is? All of those religious conservatives have the name of Obama's pastor on the tip of their tongue, but do they realize that their own candidate doesn't have a pastor?
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