$4 a gallon gas has come to the Old Dominion, and it's all Bill Clinton's fault.

[Midlodemocrat]

:sarcasm:

Filling up my van yesterday, (to the tune of $74) I was standing next to a guy who was filling up a gas can, presumably to use in his lawn mower. I remarked. "Thank you, George Bush, for gas more expensive than I ever thought I would see in my lifetime".

His response: "Well Bill Clinton refused to allow drilling in ANWR, so it's his fault". :eyes:

I proceeded to tear him a new one about GWB and his antics and he left without commenting further.

Then, a friend of mine pulled up and we started chatting. Same old, same old. "It's all Bill Clinton's fault".

I said to her, "Clinton lied, nobody died" which stunned her and then proceeded to continue asking when the RW was going to stop blaming BIll Clinton for all the ills of the world. Discussed the issue of Peak Oil and how we are literally running out of oil. Made no progress. She is under the impression that there will always be enough oil for all of us to abuse forever. Spoke about how we need to be drilling in ANWR, (as she filled up her son's Sequoia)

This woman has three adopted AA children and said she can't bring herself to vote for Barack. :wow:

I weep for my country.

[onehandle]

1. What kind of reaction...

...do you think you'll get from "TheClintonsAreWorseThanBushUnderground."

As wrong as your pump mates were, perspective is in short supply in these parts.

[Political Heretic]

3. Does anyone seriously think that?

Common!

[taterguy]

2. I blame bicycles

Their erratic behavior screws up all the traffic patterns and causes millions of gallons of fuel to be wasted.

[LaurenG]

4. Yes and all that slowing down to get around them

:sarcasm:

Healthy, conscientious bikers!!2121!1 Series!11

[taterguy]

8. You slow down?

Cyclists are into the No Pain, No Gain philosophy.

Give them what they want.

[Fumesucker]

11. That's why drivers like to use them as targets..

[sendero]

5. In America..

....we're all sailing on a ship of fools.

And a lot of American fools with their "I'm entitled" attitude are going to be singing a very different tune in a couple of years.

Pride goeth before a fall as they say.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. I was in Virginia two weeks ago. Gas was $3.55 a gallon.

[Sweet Pea]

7. My Prius

still gets a fill up for under $30. Gotta love life!

[Midlodemocrat]

20. Not an option for us.

Too many people.

[Rosemary2205]

28. Sadly, prius cannot be fitted with a wheelchair lift.

[Fleshdancer]

9. Here's how it all works according to the stupid:

anything bad during Reagan's presidency was because of Carter
anything good during Reagan's presidency was because of Reagan

anything bad during Clinton's presidency was because of Clinton
anything good during Clinton's presidency was because of Reagan

anything bad during W's presidency is because of Clinton
anything good during W's presidency is because of W

(Notice how the only time they ever bring up Bush Sr. is to say he should have taken Hussein out during the first Gulf War? Aside from that small point, they tend to forget those 4 years...very odd)

[JaneQPublic]

14. That is so true.

During the Clinton administration when the economy was doing so great, my right wing coworkers tried to argue it was all the result of Reagan's policies finally comiing to fruition.

I asked them what about George (HW) Bush? I had to remind them that he preceded Clinton, not Ronnie.

They were none too pleased with the notion that Reagan was responsible for the Bush's recession and less pleased to give Poppy Bush credit for the prosperity of the Clinton years.

[Diclotican]

10. Midlodemocrat

Midlodemocrat

It is beginning to be expansive to drive cars in US too.. Finally you might recognize that petrol are not a sheap com-odey, and that it cost to drive this big, fuel expensive cars america are so friendly too...

But even, if US have high petrol prices, it is still far lower than in Europe for a starter.. My own country Norway have for the moment the most Expensive petrol price on the pump in Europe.. NKR 13.00 pr Liter.. Not gallons, but by Liter... (it goes ca 3.9L for each gallon)

So I guess, you still have a little road to go, to get real expensive petrol yet.. Even that it is expensive over there too...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[Burma Jones]

26. Your English is a lot better than my Norwegian

Your English is better than a lot of Americans' as well.........

Thanks for talking with us, it's good to hear from our friends in Europe......

[Diclotican]

27. new_beawr

new_beawr

To me, it looks like you desperately need all the friends you can get, even if it come from the "old europe" as mr Rumsfeld so gentely was saing it when it was clear that the most of the NATO alliance was not to come and fight for US in Iraq... And for the most part West-Europe have been good friends to US, since before the WW2, but specially after the war...
And for the most part, we would be there if you need us. But the war thing.. We as a continent have a lot of experience with war, and we donut approve of it anymore.. Not if we can go away from it.. Even that the breakup of Yugoslavia was a horrible ugly war I guess we have not seen the end off yet..

Well, I could be better, I could be worse, my english, is getting along now then:).

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.

[sudopod]

12. Innumeracy much?

IT takes a special kind of ignert to think that drilling ANWR would solve anything, much less EVERYTHING.

[raccoon]

13. OMG. $4.00 in VA.

"I proceeded to tear him a new one about GWB and his antics and he left without commenting further. "

Good for you!



"I said to her, "Clinton lied, nobody died" which stunned her and then proceeded to continue asking when the RW was going to stop blaming BIll Clinton for all the ills of the world. "

I'm sick of that BS myself! It is so effing stupid and illogical!

[gblady]

21. In WA state

last night...
$4.05 for regular, $4.31 for supreme....
what cost $55 to fill up a couple months ago, now over $70
scary!

[Vickers]

15. Ask them how long they waited to fill up that gas can.

It's not a supply problem, it's a gouging/speculation problem.

[Rosemary2205]

29. We really need to hammer that - sledgehammer it even.

[Beausoleil]

16. You might ask

how 6 months supply of oil to be available in about ten years is going to help. That's all ANWR represents.

[madinmaryland]

17. Ahhh, the almighty St. Clinton aka The Clenis strikes again..

:hi:

[reformedrethug]

18. First of all

In your mind, just because somebody is black, or adopted black kids they must vote for Obama? Last time I checked you could vote for whomever you choose to vote for. I said black because unless they were born in Africa and emmigrated to the US they are not African-Americans, they are AMERICANS, but that is for another rant/thread.

The 1970's oil shortages/embargo did NOT teach us a damn thing, we should have been working towards energy independance from that day on and we have not. We should have been working hard at developing alternative energy sources, implementing these sources, drill for oil in our own country, and conserve what we do have.

We as a country brought this upon ourselves, question is can we turn things around before it is too late?

[Midlodemocrat]

19. Of course not.

it just struck me that a white middle aged woman with three adopted AA children would completely rule out voting for Barack. As if McSame is the answer.

[reformedrethug]

32. Did she say she was voting for

McCain or are you just assuming so?

I know several republicans who are not voting for McCain, some will vote for 3rd party and some will not vote at all for President this time.

[Midlodemocrat]

37. I don't assume. She is a rabid RWer who will vote for McCain.

She adopted three little AA girls out of the foster care system.

[logosoco]

22. Drilling in ANWR

is like putting a bandaid on a broken leg.
Whenever anyone blames Clinton for not doing more for the energy problems, they need to be reminded what happened to Carter when he said we should all put on sweaters!

[Lorien]

35. When I hear them blame Clinton I mention that everyone in BushCo

came from the oil industry. Then I ask "If Colonel Sanders had been elected president and the price of chicken tripled, wouldn't you be a bit suspicious"? A simple concept for very, very simple people.

[NNN0LHI]

23. I had a guy pull the ANWAR card at the restaurant the other day

I mentioned that there was an estimated six months worth of oil there and it would take 35 years to get it out.

End of conversation.

Don

[Dukkha]

24. People who still blame Clinton deserve to lose their jobs

and their homes and their precious SUVs. Stupid people like them are the cause of it all and they have deserve to suffer for it

[Burma Jones]

25. I've had this conversation with my brother

I think one of the biggest reasons for $4.00 gas is the plummeting dollar. The dollar is plummeting because the rest of the world is losing confidence in the USA. The world is losing confidence in the USA because of our incompetent Executive Branch. Sure there are other reasons, but none of them reflect well on the current gang in power.

Ten Years ago, you could buy a Euro for 91 cents. Today, that Euro will cost you $1.57. Ten Years ago, you had to pony up $1.63 for a British Pound. Today, that British Pound will run you $1.97.....

If your nation loses standing in the world, the well off profit and the other 95% suffer......

[LSK]

30. ok, so we drill in ANWR and get the 6 months supply of oil - THEN WHAT?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Lorien]

36. Then we're out billions of taxpayers dollars-most of which will go to

Halliburtan as they try to build roads on ANWR's melting permafrost.

[Midlodemocrat]

38. Oh, you didn't hear?

There's PLENTY of oil. They just haven't tapped it all yet.

Again, the Clenis' fault.


:banghead:

[Javaman]

31. He's a very new factoid to keep in your arsonal for next time...

Here're the savings from Arctic drilling — 75 cents a barrel

WASHINGTON — If Congress were to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, crude oil prices would probably drop by an average of only 75 cents a barrel, according to Department of Energy projections issued Thursday.

The report, which was requested in December by Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, found that oil production in the refuge "is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/38223.html

[mitchum]

33. It is a pity that stupid people have a say in matters that impact others

I mean that in all sincerity

[Lorien]

34. I think that's the Rush Limbaugh mantra

the repugs I know blame high gas prices on two things: not drilling in ANWR (which they claim "secretly holds more oil than Saudi Arabia. The Democrats have been lying about how much oil is there for decades") and gas taxes, which they claim "gives $70 billion a year in profits to politicians" :wtf: You can tell them about peak oil, speculators, the petro dollar, BushCo's disastrous dollar policy, growing world demand for oil, SUV and truck usage, etc. etc. But they will ONLY believe that one of those two delusions is the real reason behind the high cost of gas :crazy: .