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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 01:58 PM
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5 Cities With Biggest Decline in Home Values
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5 Cities With Biggest Decline in Home Values
by AnnaMaria Andriotis
Thursday, May 8, 2008
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With home values continuing to plummet across the country, it's become clear that the real estate meltdown is far from over.

Values for single-family homes in 14 major U.S. cities posted double-digit declines from their respective peaks, according to the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, which tracks prices of single-family homes. On a national level, home values are down 12% since December 2006. And according to Beth Ann Bovino, a senior economist at Standard & Poor's, they could drop another 10% by the end of the year.

"Things are accelerating downwards {and) in most cases the fall gets steeper and steeper every month," says David Blitzer, chairman of the index committee at Standard & Poor's.

The biggest culprit for this downturn: rampant speculation on property values during the past several years. "The areas that have seen a huge amount of speculation...are the ones that got nailed," says Blitzer. "The farther up prices went the farther down they've come." This was especially true in the Sun Belt region. Cities like Las Vegas, Miami and Phoenix, which are popular for either their beaches or deserts, lured investors looking for rental properties that would appreciate in value so they could later sell them to baby boomer retirees for a sizable profit, explains Danielle Babb, a real estate analyst and professor of economics and statistics Northcentral University in Arizona.

Foreclosures have also contributed to the decline in home values. During the first quarter, foreclosures were up 112% from the same period in 2007, according to RealtyTrac, which lists foreclosed properties. As a result, there's now a glut of homes for sale on the market and a lot of very nervous mortgage lenders reluctant to give out loans.

Here are the five cities that have taken the hardest hit in home values.


Las Vegas

Everyone in Vegas knows that it pays to have Lady Luck on your side. Unfortunately for home buyers, Lady Luck has come and gone. Single-family-home values in Sin City rose a jaw-dropping 135% between January 2000 and September 2006. But then the winning streak ended. Home values have fallen 24.5% from their peak, the largest decline in the nation, says Blitzer.

Of course, the tables could always turn. "It's still one of the fastest growing cities...and one of the strongest economies in the nation," says Kendra Todd, real estate broker and host of HGTV's "My House is Worth What?"


Miami

Miami may be best known for its beaches, nightlife and art scene, but it has recently gained another, albeit dubious, distinction: It's believed to have the highest number of vacant condos in the country, according to the National Association of Realtors.

It wasn't just Miami's condo market that experienced a boom and bust; single-family homes also took a dramatic hit. Speculators who couldn't afford to invest in Miami's pricey luxury condos bought up the more affordable single-family homes in the city, only to abandon them when things got rough, says Standard & Poor's chief economist, David Wyss. That's helped push values of single-family homes 22% lower. " doesn't have quite the biggest decline, but it's dropped very far very fast," says Blitzer.


Phoenix

Tumbleweeds aren't exactly taking over the streets of Phoenix, but the city has seen quite an exodus from a couple of years ago when speculators and real estate developers descended on it en masse. More than 67,100 single-family homes were built in Phoenix between 2000 and 2006, according to the Census Bureau, with home values rising by 127%.

Once home values started to unravel, however, speculators started abandoning their rental and investment properties. "People will go to much longer lengths to avoid defaulting on a primary residence than on a secondary home," says Wyss. Now, home values are down 24% from their peak.


Los Angeles

Not only has suburban sprawl added to L.A's traffic problems, but it's also a big reason home prices here have fallen by 22% since their October 2006 peak.

Homes that were located as far away as a one- or two-hour drive from the city's center were being pitched to buyers as properties whose values would appreciate as fast as those in the city, says Babb. However, that never happened, she says.


San Diego

Strong job growth, great weather and a smattering of palm trees: Who wouldn't want to live in San Diego? But what makes a place desirable also tends to make it more expensive. Home values here rose by 150% between January 2000 and December 2005. At its peak, this city had the highest ratio (14 to 1) of median home prices vs. median incomes in the country. Homes here were worth about 14 times the amount of money owners made each year, says Wyss. The national average was 3.4 to 1 — even at the peak of the boom in 2006, he says.

"The expectations for this city — that it was employing rapidly and that everyone wants to move here — got way too high," says Wyss. Home values are now 24% below the peak.


http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/105024/5-Cities-With-Biggest-Decline-in-Home-Values


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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:10 PM
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1. Im in San Diego and in a way glad they are falling
I cant afford to even buy a one bedroom condo in the city. If it was not for my partner having a home when I met him I'd still be renting. The prices here are crazy - my partners house was purchased 10 years ago for 145K. It was appraised 3 years ago at 800K. Guess how big it is? 1400 sqr feet.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:19 PM
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2. Yeah, my mother-in-law is in Santa Barbara
800 sq ft. there equals about 800 grand.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:40 PM
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6. What is the rental price?
What is the going rent on a 1400 ft^2 condo?

Take the monthly rent, multiply it by 12 to get the annual rent, and multiply that by 7 to get a fair market price for the condo. You could raise that 7 multiplier as high as 10, but only if the condo has outstanding upgrades and is in a spectacular location (as compared to other San Diego properties).

An $800,000 appraised price implies a monthly rent of $7000 to $9500. Are people in San Diego crazy enough to pay that to rent a 1400 ft^2 condo? I don't think so.

Based on the rental listings I'm looking at, I can rent a 1500 ft^2 condo with a direct ocean view for $2100 a month. Fair value for this property is therefore $175k to $250k.

This is exactly in line with what your partner's condo sold for 10 years ago. Take 145k and appreciate it by 3% per year for 10 years, that comes to 195k (a nice cross check with the previous numbers).

So all data is saying that prices in San Diego will keep falling until a 1500 ft^2 condo sells for around $200k, give or take for location and features.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:51 PM
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9. A 800 sqr foot house on a tiny lot just sold down the street for
Edited on Fri May-23-08 02:52 PM by FreeState
450k. A house right across the street from us is in foreclosure because the bank would not take 750K for it (1200 sq feet). My other neighbor is renting his 750 sqf house for 2k a month - he payed 500k for it.

Before I met my partner (6 years ago) I was paying $850 for a 500sqr foot apartment above a house.

Im not sure about rentals on Condos. My coworker pays $1150 for a 650 sq foot loft/condo. A friend pays a little more than that for a one bedroom in a high crime area.

(I should note that I live on a canyon with a view - my street is not typical of SD in that our value has only dropped 7% for our zip code over the last 3 years, the house across the street thats in foreclosure does not have a view).
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:43 PM
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7. There is no way I could afford to buy my house on my salary
Trading down isn't an option either, because of the big hit I'd take on property tax.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:19 PM
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3. They have a long way to go still.
Assume the starting price of a home was $100,000.

Now take San Diego as an example.

First, prices rose by 150%:
$100,000 -> $250,000

Then, prices fell by 25%:
$250,000 -> $187,500

They still have 47% to fall to get back to where they started.

If you don't think that is realistic, you can factor in a 3% annual rate from 2000 to 2008, and homes STILL have 32% to fall before they are where they belong.

If you bought in San Diego in 2005, you are screwed. Just walk away.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:21 PM
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4. House just foreclosed in my little neighborhood
The bank put it on the market for about 40% less than we bought our identical home for last spring. We're very concerned. Oh and I'm in Tucson.
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Joanie Baloney Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:27 PM
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5. My San Diego house is still worth 3 times what I owe on it.
I'm very lucky I bought when I did in 1996.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:45 PM
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8. Howdy neighbor!
You got a great deal on your place. ;-)
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:55 PM
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10. Same here
my partner was very lucky, we even took out a second to do some improvements and we still only owe less than 1/3 the value (University Heights area).
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notfullofit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 03:42 PM
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11. In the Los Angeles
area, my sister bought her home in 2001 and sold it in 2005 for $250,000.00 (a quarter million) more than she paid for it. Just in time!
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