Need a new car? How about a new handgun, too?

[flashl]

Missouri car dealership offers free handgun with purchase

You can get both at the Max Motors car dealership in Butler, Mo. And the gun is free. Caliber of your choice — just like your paint job.

Buyers can choose either the $250 gun coupon or one of equal value for gasoline. So far, most have gone for the heat.

“I’m telling them to get the semiautomatic because it holds more rounds,” the dealership’s general manager, Walter Moore, said Wednesday.

Moore knows a “Free Handgun” ad would probably draw protests in some places, but not in Butler, about an hour south of Kansas City on U.S. 71.

“Down here we all believe in God, guts and guns,” Moore said.

Kansas City

[Squatch]

1. $250 will buy you a piece of shit gun

Something like a used Kel-tec or some Warsaw Pact semi...basically, it's only a matter of time before the fucker blows up in your hand.

[flashl]

2. Its wild, gasoline $4 a gallon and most are opting for gun. nt

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

3. Kel-Tec .380 was the one advertised.

I was curious if it was an actual coupon though, that you could maybe put towards a Glock or something a little more classy.

[spin]

15. Surprisingly the Kel-Tec .380 has some good reviews...

for example:

http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec_P3AT.htm

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

21. Well I'll be damned.

While it is still isn't a full sized gun, I'm surprised it did that well.

[Canuckistanian]

4. I heard that only two people chose the free gas

And one of them was a Canadian.

Yay!

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Them thar buyers are some smart folk. Yessirree!

They can take the new handgun and rob a Lexus owner and travel in real style instead of the rusted out shitbox Cavalier that Max sold them.

[ThomWV]

6. A handgun can get you more gas than gas can get you handguns

At least so far.

[flashl]

7. One would think car salespersons hawking rustbuckets would think twice about giving patrons a gun.

[ileus]

8. I'd take the gas over a cheap POS pistol....it takes 750 to get a good weapon.

[spin]

14. A would say a Glock 40 cal is a good weapon...

You should be able to buy one of those new for much less than $750. A gun store I contacted had them for $525 new in the box.

Of course they are uglier than sin.

[Pavulon]

18. Ruger..Great story

I don't shoot much any more but I used to. IDPA folks love sig and hk. My buddy brought a ruger to a match. This was immediately shit upon.

I took it out to the line before the match and shot the best group I have ever shot. Thinking it a fluke, I shot it again, better than the first group.

Then used the poo pooers highly modified 1100 dollar sig and could not beat the ruger.

Handed them both to the poo pooer and he did the same thing, with the same ammo.

I offered him cash on the spot, but he would not sell.

You can get a great accurate handgun without buying hk or sig. However 250 is a bit low.

[spin]

20. Only fired one Ruger at he range...

and I was impressed with its accuracy and how it felt in my hand.

I'm more of a wheel gunner, but I own several Colt .45 autos. I've fired hks and sigs and while they worked well, I wasn't all that impressed.

I owned a Ruger .22 cal target pistol and felt that if invested in a higher quality target pistol my scores would improve. I bought a model 41 S&W .22 cal target pistol. Once I was used to the new S&W, I fired 30 rounds through it at a 25 yard target. The following week I tried the same test with the older Ruger .22. The Ruger actually scored a couple of points higher for me.

In shooting a lot depends on if you like your weapon and are confident in your ability to accurately shoot it.

Expert target shooters have told me that most firearms shoot more accurately than an individual can shoot them. Good sights and trigger pull make a big difference as does finding a gun that fits your hand.

I knew one competitive target shooter who had won many NRA and police tournaments. He decided to try a Glock for IDPA. Despite hours and hours of practice, he never mastered the Glock Other shooters would try his Glock and it was very accurate for them. He often said that he thought the Glock was an ugly pistol. I suspect his dislike of its' appearance was a major contributing factor to his problem.

[michreject]

32. Ka-boom machine

40's are iffy.

[spin]

40. Possible causes of the .40 ka-boom.

1) Ammo can be a problem. I owned a .40 cal Beretta Centurion. I usually run 100 rounds of any ammo I might use for self defense through the gun to check for malfunctions. (I highly recommend this for any semi-auto weapon. Revolvers you might get away with checking only a couple of cylinders full.)

About 15 rounds in I had a failure to feed. When I checked the gun out, I found that the cartridge rim had separated from the case and left the remainder of the case wall in the barrel. I talked the problem over with the range master and decided that it probably was a total fluke. After about 10 more rounds, the same thing happened again. No damage was inflicted on the weapon. This was new in the box premium ammo and since this was 10 years ago I can't recall the brand.

I determined that the best ammo for the gun was Winchester Western and I fired at least 1000 rounds through the weapon without any further problems.

One gunsmith I talked too felt that some manufacturers make a softer case to make reloading easier. The .40 cal round has a very sharp initial pressure peak when fired and since the case is not fully supported on many .40 caliber weapons a case separation can happen.

(2) Reloading a case for the .40 too many times can also cause a problem. One shooter who reloaded ordered stiffer brass and would only reload it 5 times.

(3) Another possible problem can occur because when you clear the weapon by removing the magazine and racking the slide to remove a chambered round. If you reinsert the same round into the top of the magazine when you reload the weapon and you do this repeatedly, you may force the bullet into the case and dramatically increase the chamber pressure when you finally fire the round.

For some reference on this problem and other problems check:
http://www.policeandsecuritynews.com/MayJun04/WhyGunsBlowUp.htm

I have never seen a Glock go ka-boom but there are some things to be aware of when firing a Glock. For example using lead ammo:
http://www.policeandsecuritynews.com/MayJun04/WhyGunsBlowUp.htm

I sold my Beretta and no longer own a .40 caliber pistol. To be honest, I feel the .45 cal is a better overall choice for a semi-auto.

For self defense, I prefer a revolver. I'm not in law enforcement, so having the ability to fire a large number of rounds before reloading is not quite so important. In general, a revolver is a simpler mechanism with fewer potential problems. Even so, I always check out any ammo I intend to use for self defense. And yes, I have discovered problems.

I owned one of the early model Ruger SP101 revolvers with the short cylinder. When firing .357 ammo sometimes the recoil would cause the bullet in the last round to pull out of the case and lock the cylinder up. Therefore, for self defense, I owly would load the revolver with the slightly shorter .38 special rounds. I also owned a rare S&W model 940 9mm revolver which worked great with most 9mm ammo using moon clips. Since the 9mm is slightly underpowered I decided to test some highly recommended hot self defense ammo. I fired five rounds and found that the cases had expanded so much that I was unable to extract the moon clip and the expended ammo from the cylinder. With that brand of ammo I had a five shot revolver that was only a five shot revolver.

[michreject]

42. I saw 3 Glock 40's KB in 3 weeks

Never saw a different brand KB. I have never seen a Glock 9mm KB either. I shoot competitively every Sunday. I agree that it is most likely the ammo.

[spin]

48. I think that if I ever decide to buy a Glock...

I'll stay away from the .40 cal. I'll Probably consider the .45 cal.

The good old .45 cal round has a long and illustrious history and a good reputation of getting the job done.

Have you had any experience with shooters using the Glock .45 models esp the Glock 30 or the Glock 36 (single stack magazine)?

[michreject]

49. The 45 ACP is a low pressure round

I prefer the 36. The grip length is shorter making it easier to carry concealed. :)

[spin]

51. That's the model I was most interested in. Thanks (n/t)

[Xenotime]

9. So that's how gun fundies are getting around background checks?!?

Looks like Kansas City needs tighter gun legislation or just ban the damn thing all together.

[Spouting Horn]

10. What's a "gun fundie?"

Someone who supports the 2nd Amendment?

[Paladin]

12. Here At DU......

....a sure sign of a "gun fundie" is somebody with an extremely low post count who never talks about anything except guns. Does that resonate with you?

[Xenotime]

13. Ha! Good one.

[mach2]

26. Oddly enough, you have over a thousand.

Interesting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. And you have been here how long?

[mach2]

31. Since I didn't make an issue of that, it's completely irrelevant. If you think it is,

take it up with the board owners...the rules cover it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. But Paladin's post count is relevant enough for you to bring it up?

You opened this can of worms. Where are you trying to go with this?

[Name removed]

34. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[michreject]

43. Another anti gun grabber pwned. Good job

I'm waiting for the reply too. Crickets.

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. LOL the mods took care of that one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=220857

[ThatsMyBarack]

46. I've been begging my mom to buy me a new car....

Now maybe I can get a GUN with it! :sarcasm: X 10

Oh, yeah, BTW....Welcome to DU, Spouting Horn! :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. This dealership isn't in Kansas City

It is in Butler, MO, a town 60 miles south of KC. The KC media reported the story. I doubt they have any major media in Butler.

[michreject]

11. Wonder why the paper didn't include this part

http://www.kmbc.com/news/16345443/detail.html

Moore said the dealership will hand the customer a certificate to get the gun, but you must pass a background check.

The local police chief said he is OK with the promotion as long as the weapons aren't handed out at the dealership.

[lonestarnot]

16. What the fuck does it matter? No one can afford ammo or gas.

:rofl:

[Pavulon]

17. HK USP or SIG?

$250 is low end. Now if they were giving away good stuff that would be news.

[michreject]

50. Real nice pic of an older Springfield

Might be a pre TRP.

[Skrelnick]

19. What could possibly go wrong?

Are they doing background checks on these car buyers?

[mach2]

28. Only if they request the gun. Doesn't the story link work for you?

:eyes:

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Well if you have been to Butler MO you would understand this

Robert Heinlein was born there and got out of there as soon as he could. Other than that, Butler has no claim to fame. It's just a dying little town surrounded by farms.

[mach2]

27. Longtime home of Henry Radio...and the farms are dying too.

...

[depakid]

24. More American insanity

I am SO glad I'll be off this ship of fools next year onto saner (and sounder economic) shores.

Where ordinary people don't own handguns.

[mach2]

29. ah...where only the criminals do.

How special.

[depakid]

38. Actually, very few criminals do either

Nature of the culture.

In other words.

Very low cime and SANE -where no one feels the need to own handguns.

[ShaneGR]

25. I'm sure Jesus would be proud....

I wonder if many of these bible freaks have ever read the New Testament. But the reality is it's not really about god. It's about a backward culture. To be fair, the same exact problems of ignorance exist in the cities as well, perhaps worse. It's just not about religion, more about pure greed.

[apocalypsehow]

35. That is about the most deranged thing (non-campaign related) I've heard in a long time. n/t.

:crazy:

[mach2]

36. Really? You must have missed these:

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8355469

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8342659

[apocalypsehow]

37. A couple of stories from Tulsa, Oklahoma about stabbings? I guess I don't see the relevance.

:shrug:

[MisterP]

39. how very Bioshock n/t

[Initech]

41. They can have my gun when they steal it from underneath my dashboard.

[ruby slippers]

44. if anyone sees Hillary driving a new car, notify the Secret Service please.....

[aikoaiko]

45. The newspaper headline is misleading -- buyers get coupons for gun or gas w/purchase

But the headline as is will inflame anti-gun nuts.