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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:35 PM
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What Is A Veteran?
Just got this in my email:




A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'

That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who no longer understand that fact.

Hear a pin drop -




When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building' by the US.

He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.

You could have heard a pin drop.

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Then there was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami vic tim s. What does he intended to do, bomb them?' A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting vic tim s and injured to and from their flight deck.. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have? '



You could have heard a pin drop.



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A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?' Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'



You could have heard a pin drop.

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AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...



A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on a tour. Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane.. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on. 'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer asked sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously. 'Then you should know enough to have your passport ready.' The American said, 'The last tim e I was here, I didn't have to show it.' 'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !' The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained. 'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find any Frenchmen to show it to.'



You could have heard a pin drop



Remember to thank a Veteran this holiday


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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:46 PM
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1. Classic!!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:50 PM
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2. I love veterans. I am a veteran.
But I DESPISE jingoism. That's the kind of thing that gets us involved in places like Iraq, resulting in casualties and heartache for all involved.

Thank a veteran by all means. Leave the rest of that stuff for the Republicans.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:56 PM
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4. No kidding
I'm a veteran as well, and while I appreciate the thanks, I don't like it to come in "gotcha" form. Most of this stuff is just the usual anti-European crap I've come to expect from the right.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:52 PM
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3. Very nice!
Thank You for sharing!
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:01 PM
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5. nice, but what's with the France bashing?
the few WWII vets I know frown on anecdotal stories that bash any of the bravery of the citizens of occupied nations.

see how your senator really respects veterans:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00137
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:08 PM
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7. That's true, isn't it?
There used to be more popular stories or books on what it was like to live under the occupation in France. I wonder how we could forget or worse, ignore?

My Senator is Patty Murray, who is active in Veteran's affairs.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:05 PM
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6. Nice reminder
I'm the mother of one veteran, and my son is entering the National Guard. He will be "shipped" to Iraq. (Like a commodity?) Funny how Memorial day takes on a different meaning when it's personal

On a different note, I was a long term care nurse for a long time, and it was my honor to care for many, many veterans.

The VFW volunteers never forgot those in nursing homes. Sometimes they were the only ones, on Memorial day.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:15 PM
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8. What is with this right-wing bullshit?
Honoring defense contractors? France bashing? Colin Powell? Did I accidentally make a right turn at FreeRepublic.com? What a crock of shit.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:18 PM
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9. Only Problem
I am very thankful for veterans, but my only problem with the last part of your post is that it seems minorly untrue. There were actually French troops on the beach of Normandy. If you do not believe me go the the WWII museum in New Orleans. When I was there, a few years ago, there was a display that said the French also invaded a part of the beach that day and there invasion was one of the ones that had the most success.


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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:28 PM
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10. The whole thing is riddled with untruths and outright lies.
The U.S. has never acquired land through warfare? Bull fucking shit. Ever heard of the Mexican-American war? New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada and California all acquired during that little blood bath. Ever heard of the Spanish American War? Puerto Rico, Philippines, Guam and others acquired during that exercises in empire.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:29 PM
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11. Fuck off with your right-wing garbage.
I'm an infantry combat vet but I'm not stupid.

France helped us gain our independence and if we repaid our debt to them in later wars, it is entirely appropriate. Only stupid ignorant fucks perpetuate these insults to the French people and nationalistic claptrap.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:36 PM
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12. Patriotic jingoism is bs. Paragraph by paragraph rebuttal...
1. What about those who were drafted unwillingly?
2. Does that mean they are going to bury the dead soldiers at the huge USA embassy? Or maybe they meant at that military base in Saudi Arabia?
3. Isn't that after the cyclone, not the tsunami?
4. How about because most of the people there speak English, including the French who, unlike in the USA, have a requirement that you have to speak at least 2 languages to graduate high school? Unlike the USAnians who assume everyone should adjust to them.
5. I've been to France 5 times in the last 5 yrs and have never ever once had to show a passport, unlike coming back to the USA where I got grilled, checked, double checked, then checked again to re-enter my country.

I thank veterans for what they have done, not for pseudo-patriotic jingoism. And vets I know appreciate that some can see and understand the difference as being thanked for reality is very important.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:39 PM
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13. French response to Hurricane Katrina
Edited on Sat May-24-08 03:41 PM by arcadian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

France was one of the first nations to offer aid to the United States in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. On the 31 August, French officials expressed their condolences to their American counterparts: President Jacques Chirac wrote a letter to President George W. Bush, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Philippe Douste-Blazy, wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

The U.S. federal government refused French assistance initially, but on the 2 September, Rice said that the U.S. authorities would assess the situation and contact French authorities accordingly. On the 4 September, French assistance was formally requested. The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs offered its disaster relief stocks located in the Martinique, including 600 tents, around 1000 beds, 60 electrogenic groups, three pumps, three water purification stations, 1000 folding jerrycans, and other supplies.

A 35-man team of the Sécurité Civile from Guadeloupe and Martinique were ready, including 11 hurricane specialists, and a 60-man "catastrophe intervention" airmobile detachment could be ferried from mainland in a short time. These men are of the Ministry of the Interior.

The Ministry of Defence offered two planes already in the hurricane zone, and six more from mainland France, two ships of the French Navy (probably the BATRAL Francis Garnier or Champlain, and the frigate Ventôse) and a 20-man emergency medical team.

The non-governmental organisation Télécoms Sans Frontières and the company Véolia Environnement have offered their services in communications and water management, respectively. The French Red Cross has put 12 logisticians at the disposal of the American Red Cross.

<more>








...you could have heard a pin drop.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:45 PM
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14. Thank you. This sort of claptrap really trivializes thanking vets.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:47 PM
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15. I have heard all of them before except the first...
and I didn't like the anti France/anti European tone of most.....

But as a vet(of French ancestry), I love the first vignette...so true, so true. You give up your constitutional rights in order to defend the Constitution. I slept with Uncle Sam longer than either of my 2 husbands;)

This country and the DOI meant something to me going in to the military-but it meant even more coming out. And I don't need a holiday to think of other soldiers-not a day goes by I don't think of them.
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T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:49 PM
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16. happy memorial day to all our ww2 vets
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:41 PM
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17. I'm sorry if this offended anyone. It was sent to me by a vet's father, so I thought it was okay.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:42 PM by BigBearJohn
edited for typo
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:00 PM
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21. It's all right
I get stuff like this from a very good friend who is a Vet. I don't have the heart to tell him to stop. I personally didn't read it very thoroughly, I just figured it was acknowledgment of veterans. I know you meant well-- and I still wonder how many vets will spend the day alone and forgotten.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:44 PM
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18. As a Vet, I find this highly insulting...
You may want to consider blocking whoever sent this. :puke:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:46 PM
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19. He's the father of a vet. He is 75 and I'm sure he meant no harm.
However, you're right. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:55 PM
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20. If you find it insulting you weren't a vet of the military I served in.
That would be this country.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:02 PM
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22. Excuse me?
:wtf:
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:48 PM
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25. You're excused.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:44 PM
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23. Your country defines its military pride in terms of hating the French? (nt)
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:47 PM
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24. I don't hate the French but I don't take backtalk from them either.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:57 PM
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27. If you don't see what's offensive in that email...
Then I don't think there is any hope anyone can explain it to you. I don't know what passes as a liberal in Alabama these days, but I hope you aren't it.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:28 PM
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33. If you are upset at Alabama I'm sure there is no requirement you ever come here.
Our feelings won't be hurt.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:12 PM
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28. I'm in the mood for amusement. Define "backtalk." (nt)
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:26 PM
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32. Not here to amuse you.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:56 PM
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26. That poster's military takes pride in jingoistic inaccurcies.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 08:59 PM by uppityperson
all I can figure. Which is too bad. My vet father takes pride in being able to see through the lies, and appreciates being told "thank you" sincerely, not with this sort of stuff.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:14 PM
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29. Wrong Holiday...
Besides having the right wing patterns, Memorial Day isn't about veterans. It's about those who have given their lives in service.

-Hoot
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:27 PM
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30. True, thank those who died in the service since Memorial Day is about them.
can't believe I missed that. Guess was just annoyed.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:49 PM
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31. Stuff like this makes me cringe...
and avoid all the rah-rah veterans bullshit that's around us all the time. The problem with this country is that we've got too damned many veterans.

The post talks about a veteran as someone who made out a check to Uncle Sam payable with his life.

I did that all right, and Uncle Sam used that check, and lots of others, to bully half the world, murder millions, and generally be an asshole.

I'm proud, on a personal level, that I was a Marine. I'm deeply ashamed of what this country did with my service.

And I ain't alone....

I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own -- and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans.

General David M. Shoup, May 14, 1966
Commandant of the Marine Corps 1960-63,
and winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor



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