Tiny Homes Could be Giant Helping Hand for the Environment, Creator Says (100sq ft)

[The Straight Story]

Tiny Homes Could be Giant Helping Hand for the Environment, Creator Says

SEBASTOPOL, CA - Between hybrid cars, full-scale recycling and conservation directed at nearly everything in our environment, it seems like everyone is going green these days. But for those truly willing to sacrifice, none of those measures may be enough.

So how about living in a home that measures only 100 square feet?

Jay Shafer of Sonoma County's Tumbleweed Tiny House Company is doing just that -- and he's encouraging others to get on board one of the greenest of green trends.

"I wanted a house for myself that wouldn't require a lot of maintenance and that wouldn't be spewing a lot of extra greenhouse gases, consuming a lot of resources," Shafer said.

A tour of the tiny A-frame home doesn't take long. From the loft sleeping area to the tiny refrigerator and gas stove to the combination composting toilet and shower, it's the ultimate in efficient living. The whole house even comes on wheels for easy moving.





http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=42432

[XemaSab]

1. 100 square feet would not fit all my books

Hell, 900 square feet does not fit all my books. :crazy:

[pansypoo53219]

15. my books and all my art

that i make and do not sell/show/let go.

[elocs]

2. A 100 sq. ft. house would sure limit the accumulation of "stuff".

Do I ever have "stuff".

[moondust]

56. Yes, the marketers of "stuff" would definitely not approve.

Why does that guy hate America?

[PSPS]

3. Become the envy of youe neighbors in Hooverville!

I guess we'll have to start calling them a "Bushville" from now on.

If it weren't for the demise of the toic "option ARM's", these would probably be bid up to about $500K.

[seemslikeadream]

4. This is my favorite

http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm





or maybe this one

[The Straight Story]

7. Just don't park it near tornado alley

:)

[seemslikeadream]

13. They are building them in New Orleans

and if I'm ever near tornado alley I'll be ready to leave in a moments notice!









120 SQ. FT

[Whoa_Nelly]

5. Check out his biz page! Cool!

More info, and you can take a video tour.

http://tinyhouses.org/

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. What isn't cool is the price. That doesn't include property and hook-ups. It makes more

sense to buy a good used mobile home.

[GreenPartyVoter]

80. Emphasis on _good_. Between heating/cooling bills and replacing all the

bits that fall apart, ours hasn't been the cheapest investment over the long term.

[Sequoia]

86. I've seen models of those at the Sonoma County Fair.

[gristy]

6. $1,000 for plans? He'll build one for me for $350 a sq foot?

Kind of steep.

[seemslikeadream]

9. Everything is really well thought out and

I'm going to pay the price for the plans and build it myself.

[Fleshdancer]

8. um, ok...and for those of us with families?

I don't need a lot of space, but I would go crazy in 100sq ft with my husband and kid in there with me.

Perhaps 100sq ft/person? 300 sq ft is still small but I could probably keep my sanity...just not my furniture or books or most of my cooking stuff.

[Sydnie]

33. Then you need this one - 770 sq feet

http://tinyhouses.org/houses/enesti/

?v=0

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. Which costs $100-$200 per square foot. Add in the costs for the land, water and sewage,

you're talking about a possible price tag of over $200,000.

[angrycarpenter]

10. All you would need is a shed

to store the bulk of your stuff.

[The Straight Story]

11. That is a good idea and inexpensive

Thanks!

[maxsolomon]

12. overkill - and only in CA can this work.

sonoma's climate is mild enough that you can extend your living space into the outdoors. in the rest of the planet where winter exists, there's this thing called "cabin fever".

what we need is for americans to realize they can live in 1500-2000 SF comfortably. just like nearly every middle class person did after ww2.

i've had a client tell me to add 10 SF to a house design to get it OVER 2000 SF, because 1994 SF just didn't seem big enough. but 2004 SF did. "psychological barriers".

the average home size is creeping up to 3000 SF, with 3 car garages.

[Juche]

29. 1500-2000 is pretty large

I thought houses post ww2 were closer to 800-1000 sq feet for a family. Many apartments with 2-3 bedrooms are 700-1000 sq feet and people get along fine.

The truly hardcore live in their cars though. If you have a van it probably wouldn't be that bad.

http://www.carliving.net/

[Delphinus]

30. Mine is a WW2 home

and measures 852 sq. ft.

[SoCalDem]

36. and people raised 4-5 kids in houses that size

now, if a kid does not have his/her own room that measures 14 x 20, they feel "deprived".:rofl:

[Warpy]

78. Mine was just under 1000 square feet

and was built in 1946. The attached garage was (badly) converted into living space, raising the total to about 1300 sq. ft.

My dad said he expected me to move out of this now shabby neighborhood. He just didn't understand that living in one of those ornate monstrosities means cleaning the damned thing.

I've stayed put.

[Gormy Cuss]

53. You're right. Post WW2 houses averaged about 1000 SF.

1500 SF is the 1960s era, 2000 SF the 1980s.

[Retrograde]

58. and there are times when 1200 sq ft seems too big

for Mr. Retrograde and me. A lot depends on how the space is arranged: we used to live in a 900 sq ft c. 1948 house that had hardly a square foot of wasted space. By contrast, a lot of modern homes, judging from the plans, have foyers and rooms with cathedral ceilings and walk-in closets and other "amenities" that seem to have two purposes: 1) impress your friends and 2) drive up the heating and cooling bills.

[yardwork]

63. I can't stand those soaring ceilings. Such a waste of space and energy.

[LucyParsons]

64. And they are ALWAYS ...tacky

[yardwork]

66. Is that a house or a mausoleum?

Imagine trying to live in that ridiculous thing.

[LucyParsons]

67. I know, right?

:puke:

[TheWraith]

74. I do hope you're being sarcastic.

I'd repaint the walls, and switch out the chandelier, but that actually looks quite nice.

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

81. I think you could manage it

It's not that hard. I have relatives that have a 7500 SF house in Florida. It's giant and a waste, but it is kinda cool staying there. You can't hear someone screaming as loud as they can on the other side of the house.

Personally, I would much rather live in a giant house than a 100 SF tiny house that seems a lot like a furnished prison cell. As long as someone else is paying the utilities and taxes.

[XemaSab]

69. There's an article about that in the e/e forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x150674

[DCKit]

98. The "built-ins" of those houses really helped too.

Pity there are no longer affordable craftspeople (or wood) to build attractive shelving and other storage into the various nooks and crannies. I installed new cabinets about ten years ago and within three years, two of them were actually sagging. I had to take them down, re-glue the joints and reinstall them again. Haven't had the nerve to put the dishes back.

[erinlough]

40. It can work anywhere, even Michigan

I have a 1500 sq ft house on 2 acres. We then have a pellet stove heating my husband's 28x24 shop. We also built a 400sq ft cabin out of lumber recycled from a 129 year old barn someone wanted demolished. It is heated with a propane stove and we haven't had to refill the propane tank in two years. It is a matter of how you want to live not if you can. I spend a great deal of time outside in good weather so moving from building to building is not a problem and gives everyone a private place if they want it.

I'm at work now and can't post pics, if your interested pm me.

[KitSileya]

68. 1500-2000sq feet!

I just did that over to metric and nearly choked. In Norway, a 1500 SF apartment or house would fit a family of 5 nicely. A couple would look at 550 SF apartments; for first kid, add 200 SF. Single me cannot afford a 430 SF apartment the way the Norwegian housing market has exploded over the last 6-10 years. The boom has been caused by too much disposable income, especially among couples, who then tend to sink money into their houses - but according to American standards, we Norwegians are way too modest.

And consider, most of Norway has fierce and very dark winters, so we are much more at risk for getting the cabin fever mentioned upthread. Yet on average, Norwegian families live in two or three bedroom houses/apartments. And we consider ourselves rich, compared tot he rest of the world. I think if you compare with most other industrialized countries, their living conditions are closer to Norway rather than the US.

[dawgman]

70. I am a family of four living in an 830 sf pre-wwII home

and are fairly comfortable in N. Seattle

[maxsolomon]

83. OK, OK i give up. i'll take 500 SF out.

1000-1500 SF.

try getting a developer to build that.

[hyphenate]

14. Looks like an outhouse!

:rofl:

I guess after I divest every part of my life, and it's just me and the cats, I could try to fit in there. Of course, I doubt if I could live in such a tiny place if I lived in tornado territory, because I'd be moving involuntarily any time a twister came roaring through.

Not to mention where my books, TV and DVD collections would go. Perhaps a second story could be added for storage? :)

[NorthernSpy]

16. mean people could roll you away while you slept...

... house and all.


:(

[yorgatron]

17. as a single guy i could easily live in one of those.

though i have the same problem with "too much stuff" as everybody else.
the solution?
in a small community of these tiny homes;
we could have a seperate building to keep all my books in,along with everyone else's.
we'll call it the "library".

we could have a seperate building to keep all my tools and spare parts,along with everyone else's.
we'll call it the "shop".

we could have a seperate building to keep cars and motorcycles.
we'll call it the "garage".

we could have a seperate building to keep musical instruments,and art,and pottery kilns and on and on.

[stevedeshazer]

18. Sounds like a 'commune' to me

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

:)

[Vinca]

19. Cute, but I'm not seeing any kind of living area.

I think I'd need 2 . . . or 3.:rofl:

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

82. What??!!!??!

You sit on your bed, sit at the tiny card table, or stand in the shower. What more could you want for living space?

:silly:

[RedCappedBandit]

20. Wouldn't it get cold?

[The Straight Story]

23. The one in the video has a heater (nt)

[yardwork]

44. If it had decent insulation, it would be cheap and easy to keep warm.

I discovered this when I moved into an 820 sq. ft. apartment when I separated. It was on the third floor, and in the mild climate of the southeast I never had to use the heat! In the winter when people living in 2000+ sq. ft. gas-heated homes were paying phenomenal gas bills, my all-electric apartment was costing me $30 a month for everything - heat, lights, stove, washer/dryer.

Last winter I moved into a 1,500 sq. ft. condo, still all-electric, but doubling the size of the living space more than quadrupled the cost of my electric bill.

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. But your apartment would be a lot more efficient than a detached building like that

If you were on the third floor, you got other people's heat coming up to you for free - and heat from the sides. Was your 1,550 sq. ft condo also above other people? That hut has 4 outside walls. If they really wanted to be energy efficient, they build them next to others, with shared walls - and maybe one on top of another (some houses in the UK are built as a 'masionette' - the front door just opens on to a staircase, and the whole home is effectively a flat in the top of 2 floors). You could have more room (note all these pictures don't actually show enough room for an armchair or sofa) without any more outside walls through which heat is lost.

[yardwork]

62. Very good points!

My condo is on two floors, and it's the first floor that requires so much heating.

Your point is that the tiny hut would equalize very quickly with the outside temperature, which is fine in California, not to so fine in Minnesota in the winter.

[conscious evolution]

85. My commune

has three cabins similar to those in OP.
A small electric radiator heater kept them nice and cozy in winter.
They do tend to get a bit warm in the summer though.Ceiling fans help a lot.If they were in direct sunlight instead of shade they would be unbearable without ac in summer.

One thing these small places do is to encourage one to spend more time outdoors.

[Nikia]

91. I thought that too

It has a lot of surface area compared to its inside space. That means that it loses heat quicker than many larger buildings. If you would choose to live in something this small, renting a room would be a more energy efficient choice.

[seemslikeadream]

21. Martin House-To-Go

[FarCenter]

22. One room mansion

"A one room mansion is a Japanese apartment style in which there is only one small room (10 m²/100 sq ft in many cases) and usually a compact bathroom. These styles of units are most often rented by single individuals due to their extremely small size which make it hard for more than one person to reside in them. Most of Japan's city apartments have rooms such as these although family units (around 60 to 90 m²/650 to 1000 sq ft in size) are more common, especially in Japan's suburbs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_in_Japan

The wiki article is an interesting description of compact Japanese living.

[Occulus]

41. Yes, but the Japanese, particularly in Tokyo, do this because they must.

Have you ever used Google Earth to zoom down on Tokyo with the 3D buildings turned on? Here's what it looks like:



Google Earth labels this district (township? parish?) of Tokyo as "Taito-ku", but the whole city is like this. Some of those buildings are about as wide as the cars driving past them are long...

I can't imagine living among so many people and not going absolutely batshit bonkers.

[NuttyFluffers]

90. Japanese 'mansion' is an adoption of English 'mansion' with little to no relation

all languages have examples where borrowed words are divorced from their source language's meaning. this is just a rather amusing example. Japanese know perfectly well that our concept of mansion has no relation to their use of the word. and there are surprisingly spacious quarters out in the countryside.

[Neshanic]

24. If the house is a rockin' don't come knockin'.

[greenman3610]

25. I love these

but I'm very happy with my 1700 sq ft midwestern 50s style ranch.

Once we upgraded the full size basement, this thing is huge.
We've added efficiency windows, extra insulation, and we're gradually
putting in things like tankless water heater, and maybe some day,
ground source geothermal.

Only cost us 89,000 in 1993.

[TroglodyteScholar]

26. 100 sq ft???

So much for "don't shit where you eat."

[Juche]

27. Pretty cool but

I don't want to sleep 5 feet from the toilet. I have thought about doing this though, but I'd probably want 200-300 sq ft instead of 100. At the end of the day if you can survive in a pop up camper you can survive in one of these homes.

In Hong Kong there are 100 sq ft apartments and someone made a slideshow of them. They don't have any bathrooms or kitchens either. They look pretty cramped.

http://news.wtnrradio.com/story.php?story=51

[LucyParsons]

54. Those pics are AWESOME

I can't stop clicking through them

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

89. Capsule hotel rooms in Japan

These hotel rooms are about 4x7 feet. The patrons use common restrooms, lounges, and eating areas on each floor. They're used by business people.

http://www.dvhardware.net/article16989.html

[Earth_First]

28. $46,997 for a 120 sq ft. home?

Excuse me, but who does this cater to?

Certainly NOT the mass population as a whole as a solution to affordable housing with low carbon footprint living.

This is 'cottage industry' marketing designed for individuals who have wealth and disposable income; not 'you and I'.

[NorthernSpy]

34. why not just buy a shipping container?

You could spend a few more bucks to outfit it yourself. No way would it come to $47,000.

And you could send your new home anywhere in the country or world as standard freight!

[Occulus]

42. That's actually a very good idea, and in fact

there have been several projects around the world that recycle old, used shipping containers into homes. You can find a good website here.

I definitely would not mind in the least living in one of these things.

Finished, of course.

[FirstLight]

77. That gives a whole new meaning to "livin in a boxcar"

But some of those places look really cool!

[Occulus]

87. Yeah, it does. The ones I like the most are the ones that

you can't really tell what the frame is made of from the outside.

Then there are the ultramodern ones:







:wow:

[dysfunctional press]

49. 144 sq. ft. of living space from home despot for under $5,000...

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100592144&N=10000003+90401

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* Floor kit NOT included (see item #18891-6 to purchase floor kit)
* Everything is pre-cut, nothing to saw
* No special tools or carpentry skills needed
* Panelized construction for easy assembly
* Crafted from select knotty red pine lumber
* Pre-hung 2’ 8” wide x 6’ 1” high door with keyed entry lock
* Two factory-installed, operable, tempered glass, aluminum windows included
* 7’ high side walls, 10’ high peak
* 4’ roof overhand in front
* All nails, screws, hardware and simple, illustrated instructions are included
* Stain and shingle to suit your decorative taste (stain and shingles sold separately)
* 10 Year Limited Warranty
* Curbside Delivery Only
* MFG Brand Name : Handy Home Products
* MFG Model # : 18701-8
* MFG Part # : 18701-8

[mnhtnbb]

94. My works construction for a living cousin has been considering how to

outfit old shipping containers for houses. Don't know that he has perfected the idea, yet.

[Matariki]

43. Probably people wanting a second home for their vacation property, is my guess. n/t

[Retrograde]

55. not out of line for California!

900 sq ft houses in my town can fetch upwards of $500,000.

ETA: of course, the price of the land is a big part of that

[SmokingJacket]

31. I would love it if I were single.

But who even needs a free-standing house if you're single? Maybe for an investment, but then you'd have to have a big chunk of land, too.

[Juche]

32. Why not just buy a travel trailer

Thinking about this a little harder, a travel trailer has all the same properties. You can tow it, it is small, it has toilets and running water, you can hook it up to propane or electric. Its also 100-200 sq feet and only costs $15,000-20,000 new and can probably be had for $10,000 for a decent used one.

Are travel trailers not made for winter living or something? If you can get somewhat more living space and 1/3-1/5 the price why not just buy a camper?

http://coachmenrv.com/products/?ProductID=2&Product=Travel%20Trailers

[Bunny]

39. You can live in a travel trailer in the winter, but you'd need to be hooked up to a sewage system,

or you'd have to take the RV somewhere to "flush" the holding tank every time it got full. Also, you'd need to have a water supply and some pretty good insulation to keep the water pipes from freezing in the winter.

Living in a travel trailer year-round can be done, especially if you're in a more moderate clime, but it seems like kind of a pain if you live where there is actual winter weather. I used to own a travel trailer, and I don't think it would be worth it, at least not here in western PA.

[SoCalDem]

35. The WAY we build is a lot of the problem

Think back to your Grandma's house:

wood floors
wool carpets
cotton curtains
leather or wood furniture
stainless steel or cast iron cookware
glass storage containers
cloth (cotton) diapers
no paper towels..just feed-sack (cotton) tee-towels
soaps..not detergents
white-only toilet paper
wooden, cloth or metal toys
cleaning supplies: vinegar/ammonia/elbow grease

Today's homes are far from that..almost EVERYTHING "emits" toxic fumes

[Snarkturian Clone]

38. My 700 sq ft. house once had 3 families living in it.

Here's an old picture of a house like mine (in the same neighborhood and the same size, age), except it's a corner property. Just to give you an idea of how small we're talkin' here:

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. "Combination composting toilet and shower"?

eww.

[Dreamer Tatum]

47. Hard times sure do flush out the chumps

As usual, what is reasonable and practical lies somewhere in between a megamansion and a treehouse.

There are human factors involved here. People have books, art, family heirlooms, and other personal
comforts that fit under the description of "human factors." I don't think people need 10,000sf of living space,
but I'm very sure they need more than 100sf.

I would also add that there are certain realities to the utilization of land for personal living
space: you can make a house 100sf, but its inhabitants will still cook, bathe, poop, and pee the same as if
they lived in a larger structure. Tiny houses will not economize certain things.

[LeftHander]

48. Ridgeway Vista Place

Homeowner's association would not approve.

[LucyParsons]

50. This is my fantasty (seriously).

This or a treehouse. I need to buy some land before the upcoming Depression Mach II.

[NickB79]

52. I'd prefer a dome home

Anyone here have one, or know someone who does? Preferably the ones that use spray-crete for the walls?

[Bluebear]

57. All it needs is a crescent moon on the door.

[Aramis]

59. Hey, that would make a nice shed for my lawn mower.

But not at $400 a sq ft!

Geez, the plans are $1000--you could buy the material for that!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

60. I don't think I could get used to something that small

That's the size of a small bedroom. The bedroom I now sleep in is 12x13 feet and this entire house is smaller than my bedroom. My house is only 1100 square feet and there's one room I never use, so it's more than enough. I could probably be fine with somewhere between 700 to 900 square feet. But 100 square feet is about as small as the average prison cell of 8x12, so no thanks.

[texas1928]

61. Well it is not handicapped accessible.

Not in a long shot.

[Debi]

73. That's what I was thinking Tex - Debi, Jr.'s wheelchair wouldn't fit in the door

He couldn't use the restroom/shower and he would be unable to climb up to the loft. x(

[Oak2004]

92. I live in an allegedly accessible apartment around 260 sq feet

And granted I have an oversized wheelchair, but it's only marginally accessible.

It would actually be more accessible if it was an efficiency (like many of the non-accessible apartments in this building), rather than a one bedroom. That would get rid of some of the wheelchair traps corners and turns. But the fools architects who redesigned these apartments to be "accessible" felt this would be charged at the higher one bedroom rate adequate.

I'd guess accessibility is well-nigh impossible under 200 sq feet, and comfortable only at 300+ square feet.

[Debi]

96. We stayed in an accessible hotel room last month.

They put bars by the toilet. I guess that made it accessible???? (Couldn't fit between beds - had to move chairs to get past desk/tv - couldn't fit wheelchair under desk (had to transfer to desk chair to use it). :crazy: Do they ever think of having a person in a wheelchair test out their idea of accessible?

[Oak2004]

97. The most horrendous examples of "accessible" I've seen

have been "accessible" toilets.

One was (irony of irony) my orthopedic surgeon's restroom. Because of the (bizarre) shape of the room, they couldn't put the usual bars in the usual places, so they stuck them in strange, utterly unreachable places. And the toilet itself was, of course, a standard low toilet. There was a gap of maybe three feet from the nearest you could get a wheelchair to the toilet itself.

As an arthritis-sort of wheelchair user rather than a spinal injury sort, I was able, with great effort, to span the gap, finagle myself into place by using all sorts of things not intended for the purpose as grab bars, and use the facilities (I was really, really, desperate at the time). But it's a minor miracle I didn't fall. Hmmm... maybe that's how the guy drummed up business? ;)

Another prizewinner I found was the "accessible" toilet at my old precinct polling place. It had a very nice, wide, door, with a nice, wide, stall, with everything anyone might want in the way of accessibility in public toilets. The restroom was, however, at the end of an unusually narrow 10 foot corridor, narrower than my old wheelchair by several inches (which would make it too narrow for all but the skinniest of wheelchair users).

I was a bit more mobile then, and so got up, folded the chair up to fit, and used it as a walker to get to the restroom. That's how I know that, at the end of that ridiculous corridor, the door is proudly marked with a blue wheelchair accessibility sign. Today, I wouldn't have a prayer of reaching the room to see how wonderfully "accessible" it is ;)

It would be helpful, certainly, if the designers of "accessible" things would check with actual disabled people. But judging from what I've seen, some of them also need to engage their common sense.

[texas1928]

93. I have seen a lot of stuff that is being marketed as green...

And a lot of it does not stand up to the accessibility test. It sucks because I would love to do some more to help.

[LanternWaste]

65. it's not really that much smaller than my...

It's not really that much smaller than my apartment. Not that I'm complaining-- I'm a single guy, and I've never subscribed to having a lot of possessions.

Sometimes I wish my apartment came with wheels so that I could roll away a few blocks whenever someone drives by loudly advertising their newest CD purchase... :)

My kudos to Jay Shafer for entertaining the prospect of reducing our carbon footprints in an ingenious, cute and clever way...

[guitar man]

71. If I farted in that

....I'd have to go outside for quite a while, 100 sq ft doesn't leave much room for escape :scared: :rofl:

[YOY]

72. That's great! If you're a single person who loves the outdoors. No kids.

My house isn't gigantic and it's perfect for my family of 3. Not going any smaller. Sorry.

[murielm99]

75. This reminds me of Baba Yaga's hut,

except that her hut had chicken legs, not wheels.

[DinahMoeHum]

76. Ever look at Ross-Chapin (Pacific NW) houses? Good ones, too

Cottages from 307 to 1302 sqft
Small houses from 1100 to 2729 sqft

http://www.rosschapin.com/


:shrug:

[susankh4]

79. I like the idea!

And will consider it for my retirement....

I think it would be alot more practical in temperate climes, tho... don't you? I mean places where many hours per day can be spent out of doors anyway??

Or in a community with a large common area.... for hanging out and entertaining etc.

[OnionPatch]

84. If I were single, I'd go for it!

It's kind of like living in a camper.

[Fox Mulder]

88. I wouldn't mind living in one of those...but for $46,000???

I could probably make one for ~$15,000 - $20,000!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

95. I live in a NYC studio apartment.

It's about the same size. :rofl: