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Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:51 PM
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War makes gas cost more.
War and threat of war makes gas cost more, especially when the war is in the countries with the world's largest petroleum reserves.

Supply gets cut back accidentally or on purpose, or accidentally on purpose.

Iraq is number 2, and Iran is number 4 in world petroleum reserves.

War waged there makes oil prices climb sky high.

USA is not even in the top 10 of world petroleum reserves.

Production issues here can't move the price of oil as much as issues with the world's largest petroleum reserves.

Our rising debt and the resulting falling dollar has made oil especially expensive for us.

The oil companies and the oil states conspire to restrict production.

Alaska sues the oil companies for blocking production.

They threaten to take away their leases on land next to ANWR, because the oil companies say it's not worth developing.

Federal land with regulations waived is offered to build refineries.

No takers yet.

A search on the words "refinery memos" shows how they shut them down.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:53 PM
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1. I guess I haven't been in the least bit surprised that the war has not been
mentioned as one of the reasons for either the price of oil, or the downturn in our economy.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:53 PM
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2. War is a racket
in every way.

Nationalize energy immediately.

Convict the war profiteers immediately.

Not gonna happen, but sure needs to.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:54 PM
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3. and the cost of gas makes war cost more,,,,what lovely merry go round we are on
and the brass ring goes to oil exporting companies (oops..freudian slip..countries), of which we are NOT one!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:21 PM
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7. It's not a merry-go-round
We are strapped into a roller coaster heading straight into hell.
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benny594 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:02 PM
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4. war makes gas cost more
is this what was wanted by gas companies in order to justify
drilling in other areas that have been fought against ?
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:07 PM
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5. And all this has been made possible
By Bush and Cheney! 8 years of record profits for big oil. A needless war that will cost us over a "TRILLION" dollars. Billions of dollars that have simply "vanished" in Iraq. No bid contracts for Cheney's old company Haliburton. It will take years to get this mess Bush has left cleaned up, and in the mean time the republicans will try and put all the blame on the democrats!

Big oil doesn't want the war to end, they don't want to see the economy get better, they don't want so see the dollar gain back what it has lost, all they want is higher PROFITS!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:12 PM
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6. You Tube has an interview with investigative jounalist
Greg Palast who says that the reserves are being blocked from us using. He credits Hillary Clinton for calling the White House on this dirty little secret that is devastating our economy.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:31 PM
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8. As my BIL told me this weekend, "Diesel is the fuel of war."
Edited on Tue May-27-08 01:31 PM by woodsprite
That's why we're looking at diesel pushing $5.00/gal already. We bring the oil over here, refine it, then ship it back to the middle east.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:32 PM
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9. A Military-Industrial Complex Needs Wars...
The biggest problem the defense contractors and the right wing had with the fall of the Soviet Union was to find a new boogie man...one they could milk for billions in contracts and to find new ways to profit from providing "services" to the military. Also, it made fundraising tough for the "think tanks"...so they went to the next closest convenient boogie man...A-rabs. For decades, they've been sinister figures in American culture and it sure didn't take much to ramp up the old cold war fear to high levels in the wake of 9/11.

This war for profit has been about the oil...and energy since the moment this regime began squatting in the white house. It was about price manipulation and the profits to be made from those manipulations. If you have the bucks to play along, you get rich, if you don't...well sucks to be you. Corporations love the open-ended contracts and the stock-holders love the dividends. Oil companies couldn't be happier as the theat to supplies and corruption all but assures endless market volitility that drives up futures prices....and isn't it wonderful how we end up paying now for what is supposed to be the price in the future?

When the housing bubble burst, the big money needed a place to recoup their losses...and went right for your gas tank. The oil companies can shrug because they aren't the ones running up the price...just going along for the ride.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:44 PM
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10. Good, why the hell should our gas be cheap?
Because we cheated a bunch of Middle Eastern nations into trade deals at the turn of the century?

Maybe the price will cause us to cease war, be more energy conservative, have more fuel efficient vehicles, use more public transportation, find better alternative energies...

At the cost of a few gallons of milk (which last a family a few weeks), man can travel further in a few hours than early man would venture in their lifetimes. Thats an amazing ability, which is evasive to our environment and life, and shouldn't be cheap neccessarily.
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Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:01 PM
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11. If we were smart we could conserve, be more efficient in our use, and develop alternatives even when
gas is cheap.

Cheap gas could comfortably fuel our conversion to alternatives.

If we were smart.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:10 PM
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12. But we aren't
So maybe expensive gas will motivate the development of sanity.
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