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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:05 PM
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22 percent believe President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 05:06 PM by kpete
:shrug:

"Large minorities of Americans consistently say they hold wildly out-of-the-mainstream views, often specifically discredited beliefs. In some cases, those views should make them pretty profoundly alienated from one party or the other.

For instance:

22 percent believe President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.

30 percent believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

23 percent believe they've been in the presence of a ghost.

18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_05/013800.php
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:06 PM
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1. "MIHOP. But you'll never prove it. Smirk." - Commander AWOL
Edited on Tue May-27-08 05:07 PM by SpiralHawk

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:10 PM
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2. ...
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:16 PM
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25. LIHOP is damning enough. /nt
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:57 AM
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42. Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook
September 11th 2001. The day that will forever live in infamy as the day when the reset button was hit on over two centuries of American history and allowed for the new doctrines of preemptive war, the domestic police state and the codifying of torture into the law of the land. The real meaning as well as the cause of 9/11 continues to resonate and be debated throughout the alternative media and the blogosphere despite the sanctimonious reverence given to it by the corporate, state controlled mainstream media where those who dare to even suggest that it was blowback are shouted down by angry demagogues standing atop their electronic soapboxes. That one single day more than anything else has been used as the justification the rise of the new American fascist state and the illegal wars of aggression that feed the colossus that is the military industrial complex.

SNIP

A while back I found a piece of information that really gave credence to my strongest suspicions that the ‘terrorist’ attacks of 9/11/01 were used as cover for an actual coup d’etat by a rogue network of fifth columnists and their multi-national foreign allies who then utilized the (C.O.G) Continuity Of Government infrastructure to effectively seize control of the United States which would effectively render the actual attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as not even the greatest crimes of that particular day. I discovered this piece on Edward Luttwak while plowing through the massive tome Neo-Conned! Again: Hypocrisy, Lawlessness, and the Rape of Iraq which is the second volume of a great collection of essays on the neoconservative pox on America that run the ideological gamut from Pat Buchanan to Noam Chomsky but all are consistently antiwar. The particular piece that I refer to is one that was written by Italian journalist Maurizio Blondet on neocon Edward Luttwak that references his seminal 1968 book Coup d'Etat: A Practical Handbook. In the essay (a postscript to Chapter 3) Blondet draws comparisons to the Luttwak blueprint and the ascension of the neocons by using 9/11 as a basis for their rise to power.

The necessary pieces were already in place within the bureaucracy, having slowly been installed ever since the heady days of the Iran-Contra affair where a shadow government was set up under the nose of the doddering and out of touch 'product as president' Ronald Reagan. Reagan’s administration was an incubator for dangerous right-wing extremists and the neocons who had been steadily asserting their influence within the government since the Cold War Team B days (a great resource on this along with other lies of the mythical 'war on terror' is Adam Curtis’ excellent documentary for the BBC: The Power Of Nightmares) on through the exploits of cowboys like Colonel Oliver North and his cohorts with their plan to subvert congress, trade arms with Iran and secretly supply the Contras in Latin America (by many accounts also trafficking in illegal narcotics which is a story for another time) to brutally crush resistance to the right-wing governments that used torture and death squads to protect American business interests.

Iran-Contra was exposed and while sending tremors throughout the system and resulting in many indictments and convictions which were then eventually largely covered up with some of the worst felons like Elliot Abrams (who figures prominently in Dick Cheney’s rogue shop of horrors to this day) were pardoned by George H.W. Bush, a man with a very sordid history of participation in covert and black ops himself as well as a long affiliation with the CIA which has long been a veritable secret police/paramilitary organization that exists largely for the benefit and protection of the interests of the oligarchy and American corporations. Many of the same players reemerged during this second Bush administration and this time they were going to ensure that their delusions of grandeur as exemplified through the neocon manifestos and white papers A Clean Break and the Project For A New American Century be implemented even if it they had to infiltrate and wait for their opportunity to overthrow the existing government in order to make it happen.


http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=7521

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:12 PM
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3. They're going to have to up the bandwidth in the DU dungeon...n/t
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:16 PM
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4. I think Cheney knew
...and they'd never tell the idiot anything that important.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:57 PM
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17. agree. plausible deniability. no Boosh has ever been caught commiting treason
Edited on Tue May-27-08 07:57 PM by burythehatchet
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:05 PM
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18. I don't think Bush cared to know anything
From his arrogant attitude during interviews, where he never lets the questioner finish a question that might raise even a slightly challenging subject matter, I don't think Bush has ever cared about knowing details that would affect his decisions. I think he just had broad notions about what he wanted and asked his aides to make it so. I don't think it's beyond reason to suppose that those around him, including Cheney might know that terrorists were plotting specific acts of terrorism prior to September 11th. But the buck should stop at the door of an irresponsible President.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:34 PM
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47. I sure Cheney and Rumsfeld were up to their eyeballs in it.
they knew and they orchestrated it.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:19 PM
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5. One thing is for damn sure ... you can't believe anything that comes from the Boosh Regime's mouths




They have been caught in so many blatant lies time and again that, unfortunately, many people don't even seem to care if they are lying or not. I can only hope that after January 2009 they will be made to answer for their lies, crimes and other misdeeds.



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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:20 PM
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6. I wonder how many LIHOP'ers there are.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:21 PM
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7. "Ben Smith puts the fact that 10% of Americans believe that Obama is a Muslim in context:"
Why not use the original opening line?

Here's the original Rasmussen link from May 4, 2007.
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zagging Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:40 PM
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8. I would bet that
the author of that commentary can't prove that the earth revolves around the sun.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:42 PM
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9. 28 percent believe Bush** is doing a good job.
19 percent believe Cheney is doing a good job.

:rofl:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:42 PM
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10. Bush Knew!


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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:37 PM
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48. he looks mighty pleased there, and seeing dollar signs in this
eyes.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:08 PM
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11. Definitely MIHOP, but I fail to see what's so absurd about it. Makes
the most sense given all the facts.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:12 PM
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12. exactly...
what I've been saying. :hi:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:15 PM
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13. Well, golly, I've gotta wave back now.
:hi:
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:54 AM
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35. 9/11. A CheneyBush operation. n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:15 PM
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14. One of these things is not like the others.
I bet its a lot higher than 22%.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:13 PM
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28. I'm told it's close to 70 percent in New Yawk City, according to a Zogby poll...
... conducted by phone with careful attention to all the demographic parameters that make internet polls essentially useless.

So this is people from NYC who've been talking with each other about this since day 1. The first reliable polls of New Yorkers post-9/11 had only 5 percent not believing the official conspiracy theory. Six years and almost 65 points later, there's an initiative on the NYC ballot putting the city on record as rejecting the official story and calling for a new, independent investigation with nobody named Zelikow anywhere near the proceedings.

Let the games begin.

wp
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:19 PM
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15. Roughly about 25 to 30% of the pop is brainwashed.challenged
to the point of REJECTING REALITY, Common Sense, and Reason....

This is a raw form of Delusion.....they helped Bush steal the 2 elections and many suffer the consequences in the form of Higher cost of Living, poverty, unemployment, etc....not to mention a Higher Fear factor.

The GOP are not interested in helping Americans...only themselves....read, HOW TO RIG an Election..Allen.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:14 PM
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16. So, 78% are
Edited on Tue May-27-08 07:17 PM by Jesuswasntafascist
Totally fucking stupid?:shrug:re: Godless Warmongering Bastard knew about 9/11 attacks in advance.


to add:

The first words out of my mouth when I was watching it happen on TV that morning, was, "That Son-of-a-bitch let that happen".
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:08 PM
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20. People tend to be pretty dumb. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:30 PM
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46. No, 78% of the media machines are liars. nt
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:07 PM
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19. Condi Rice: "I believe the title was: 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.'"
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:28 PM
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21. Say, how about Cheney?
Bet the percentage is a lot higher.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:41 PM
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49. and what would his response be??
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:41 PM by alyce douglas
"So"


sickening POS's all of them. If they are NOT held accountable for these crimes, we are a disgrace.


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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:36 PM
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22. To a certain degree that has been proven. They were warned of hijackings in NIE's.
They didn't really care to prevent those hijackings. They may have been expecting a drawn out hostage ordeal to change teh national sunject from the stolen election. Then got more than they bargined for when the planes were used as missles. Kinda like a PR Stunt gone horribly wrong. But Bush absolutely gave his tacit approval on the hijackings. They did everything but get down on their knees to beg and offer to blow him for him to do something about the impending hijackings. His reply, "Okay, now you've covered your ass." :mad:
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T Monk Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:42 PM
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23. one year after a majority of the city thought bush was guilty
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:41 PM
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24. 78% of the population has never examined any evidence
Edited on Tue May-27-08 09:47 PM by Juche
and/or rejects ideas based on how they make them feel.

If people don't think we got serious and consistent warnings about a terror attack in 2001 they don't know anything about the issue.

I can't post links here but google 'Warning Signs of 9-11 and Intelligence Failures' or 'The Complete 9/11 Timeline', then click on 'key warnings' to see all the warnings we got that were ignored. Look up 'David Schippers' or 'Robert Wright' or 'Able danger' for a primer of warnings. Hell look up the David Schippers story then say we were never warned.

Again, can't post a URL link but its on the warnings page.


July-Late August 2001: Clinton Impeachment Lawyer Tries to Warn about Al-Qaeda Attack on Lower Manhattan

David Schippers. David Schippers, the House Judiciary Committee’s chief investigator in the Clinton impeachment trial and the lawyer for FBI agent Robert Wright since September 1999, will later claim that he was warned about an upcoming al-Qaeda attack on lower Manhattan in May 2001 (see May 2001). After May, Schippers continues to get increasingly precise information about this attack from FBI agents in Chicago and Minnesota, and around July he renews efforts to pass the warning to politicians. He will claim, “I tried to see if I could get a Congressman to go to bat for me and at least bring these people and listen to them. I sent them information and nobody cared. It was always, ‘We’ll get back to you,’ ‘We’ll get back to you,’ ‘We’ll get back to you.’” At the same time he is attempting to pass on this warning, he will claim he is also attempting to pass on the work of reporter Jayna Davis and her theory that Middle Easterners were involved in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing (see April 19, 1995), and also Wright’s claim that Hamas operatives were operating freely inside the US (see February-March 2001). The three claims put together seem to lead to a bad response; Schippers later comments, “People thought I was crazy.” Around July 15, he attempts to contact Attorney General John Ashcroft. Conservative activist “Phyllis Schlafly finally apparently made some calls. She called me one day and said, ‘I’ve talked to John Ashcroft, and he’ll call you tomorrow.’” The next day, one of Ashcroft’s underlings in the Justice Department calls him back and says, “We don’t start our investigations with the Attorney General. Let me look into this, and I’ll have somebody get back to you right away.” Schippers will say he never did hear back from anyone in the Justice Department. Perhaps coincidentally, on July 26 it will be reported that Ashcroft has stopped flying commercial aircraft due to an unnamed threat (see July 26, 2001). In late August, his FBI agent sources again confirm that an al-Qaeda attack on lower Manhattan is imminent. In 2003, Wright will say, “In 2000 and in 2001, contacted several US congressmen well before the September 11th attacks. Unfortunately, these congressmen failed to follow through with Mr. Schippers’ request that they investigate my concerns.” It is not clear if Wright was one of the Chicago FBI agents that Schippers claims gave warnings about a Manhattan attack, or if Wright is only referring to Wright’s investigation into funding for Hamas and other groups that Schippers was also warning politicians about (see February-March 2001).


The real number of MIHOPs or LIHOPs is around 30%+ based on a poll I saw a year ago.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:56 AM
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39. "...rejects ideas based on how they make them feel."
You got it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:35 PM
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26. I'm amazed it's only 22%!! Cause this is something that people do talk about . . .
I was thinking about this the other day . . . about why Bush/Cheney moved to the extreme of TORTURE of prisoners ---

No one was guilty except Bush/Cheney . . . therefore, you had to torture prisoners in order to
get anyone to say they'd done it!!!

And I don't think that even worked for them!!!


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:36 PM
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27. Anyone still surpporting Bushco now is a pretty hard-headed nutsy . . . !!!
Edited on Tue May-27-08 10:37 PM by defendandprotect
and rather unlikely to face the music at this point ---

leave alone be able to handle any truth about 9/11 ---


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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:13 AM
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29. I'm a MIHOPer but I don't think the Chimp knew.
They wouldn't let him in the loop on something like that.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:29 AM
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30. he didn't know
one look at that absolute deer in headlights expression at that school - nope, he didn't fucking know - they didn't let that twit in on ANYTHING
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:23 AM
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32. I think you're projecting something that reassures you.
The look is clearly one of profound guilt, remorse, and fear at what he is involved in.

The most important detail is the amount of time Card has in speaking to him after the second plane crash, when Bush supposedly still thought the first plane was an accident. In less than 3 seconds, Card supposedly said: "A second plane has hit the towers, America is under attack." This explanation - the minimum that would even make sense - would have been impossible to whisper in that time, but even if so: Bush would still know next to nothing from this statement, if he didn't have prior knowledge of some kind of what was happening.

He staples himself to the chair and waits 7 minutes there, a total of 13 minutes in the classroom without asking any questions. America under attack? And he doesn't want clarification? Please. This is not stupidity, this is clear awareness of guilt.

Most importantly, why aren't his handlers making any move to wrap up the class, inform him, get him in a decision-making mode, get the president the hell out of a school and an ongoing live TV appearance in the middle of an "attack on America." This is close to a smoking gun. The concerted AWOL by other members of the chain of command tends to confirm it.

See http://911truth.org/wargames

Critics can also suffer from wishful thinking and project relatively harmless thoughts on to that face, as was demonstrated by Michael Moore in Fahrenheit 9/11, in which we are treated to a complete rendering of Bush's thoughts that completely exonerates him of wrongdoing and pins it all on Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, as though Moore was inside Bush's head.

Just look at his face. There's no need to read his thoughts, to know exactly what he is thinking. That's no deer in the headlights. That is a profoundly guilty man.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:58 AM
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36. EXCUSE ME
Edited on Wed May-28-08 05:02 AM by Skittles
there is no way in fucking HELL they would include that clueless bastard in on ANYTHING - he is, always has been and ALWAYS WILL BE a REPUKE PUPPET. That bastard bush was my governor for six years before he was inflicted on all of America and YES the man is as big a friggin' TWIT as he seems. And there IS NO "GUILTY LOOK" because the man is a g.d. SOCIOPATH.

I KNOW they LIHOP - but GWB did NOT know the details.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:50 PM
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45. Please relax.
I think you're letting your beliefs about what "they would" do prevent you from seeing what is plainly visible in the footage.

I don't claim to know what he knew or what "they" would tell him, I can't imagine he would be kept out of the loop entirely and surprised altogether. Maybe he knew what was going to happen, maybe he had been told a partial truth.

But his behavior - remaining seated, asking no questions - and his affect convey foreknowledge of something, and above all remorse and an awareness of his guilt.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:03 AM
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37. Why would he just sit there? Why wouldn't he get up immediately? Why, why, why?!
You're right. His sitting there after supposedly being told "Mr. President, America is under attack" is inexplicable. There is no plausible rationale except this one: He already knew this was coming, even if he didn't know it was coming that morning. That's what his reaction says to me. It says that he knew this was going to happen, but only found out that moment that today was the day.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:01 AM
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31. I think these shitbags knew about it because every aspect of their evil agenda has been....
Edited on Wed May-28-08 04:02 AM by pinniped
implemented.

This kind of shit doesn't just happen by chance.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:59 AM
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40. Exactly. The "coincidence" theory is far more implausible, improbable
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:42 AM
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33. actually, there's some pretty conclusive proof that Bush knew in advance . . .
when he was reading "My Pet Goat" in that school in Florida and learned that the United States was "under attack," the reaction of the Secret Service was -- NOTHING! . . . unless they knew for certain that Bush was in no danger, they would have hustled his ass out of that school as fast as humanly possible, given that no one supposedly knew the extent of the attacks or whether Bush himself might be a target . . .

but they did NOTHING! . . . they allowed him to sit there for fifteen minutes, theoretically endangering not only him, but all the kids in the school as well . . . unless . . . unless . . .

unless they KNEW for certain that he was in no danger . . . which, apparently, they did . . . . so the question then becomes . . .

How did they know Bush was in no danger? . . . Who told them? . . . And who made the decision not to evacuate Bush from the school? . . . And, most importantly, WHY? . . . these guys are trained to act at the least hint of trouble, yet on a morning when jetliners had already crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon, they allowed the President of the United States -- their primary charge -- to remain in a previously announced public location filled with school kids when, in fact, the scope of the attacks could easily have been much wider and included Bush himself . . .

or not . . . again, the Secret Service KNEW that Bush was in no danger, so they did NOTHING! . . . and I want to know why . . .
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:45 PM
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50. Of course, Bush knew!
Otherwise he would have at least gotten up from his seat in a visceral knee-jerk reaction to the news, worried about his own self-preservation.

No, nothing in the official story adds up. Start pulling anywhere you want, and the narrative quickly unravels.

Ah, but waking up is very hard to do. I know...
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Dunedain Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:03 PM
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51. Security Stripped
He was being hung out to dry.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:51 AM
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34. Hard to imagine how the entire defense of the skies could stop for two hours.
Two hours of everyone sitting on their hands? Two hours of fighters not in the air over Washington DC? Does not compute.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:31 PM
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53. It's easy if you're a clever guy in a cave with a laptop, a satellite phone and...
... the only copy of Windows 95 that never crashes.

Actually, the official 9/11 narrative pretty much requires us to believe something like the above. Or another frequently cited line of alleged reasoning that tells us the absence of NORAD interceptor planes actually put NORAD in a better defensive position than if they had been at their assigned bases. Same as having fun at a party by not attending, I guess.

But people actually advance this argument with apparent straight faces, asking the world to believe that an F-16 five hours distant is better positioned to intercept a hijacked commercial jet flying over the eastern US than an F-16 sitting at an Air Force Base just five minutes away.


Here's the thing:

On the morning of 9/11/01, US northeastern air defenses were crippled by a Cheney-Rumsfeld production that combined at least four exercise scenarios -- Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian, Northern Guardian and Northern Vigilance – and which, per script, diverted to northern Canada or Alaska many of the NORAD fighter jets that would have been scrambled per standard operating procedure in the event of a suspected hijacking.

As part of the exercises, false radar blips showed up on air traffic controllers' screens that masked the flight patterns of the four hijacked jets and led controllers to believe that as many as 21 planes had been hijacked. Per standard procedure, various regional air traffic control centers notified the FAA, which passed on the alerts to NORAD, which couldn't respond because they hadn't enough fighters available to handle that many hijackings. Because of the ongoing drills, they didn't even know which blips represented actual threats.

Also noteworthy is a fifth exercise taking place at the same time, this one conceived by the National Reconnaissance Office (the NRO operates the US network of spy satellites) and carried out by CIA operatives. This exercise was designed to test emergency response capabilities in the event that an off-course plane crashed into one of the NRO's four office towers.

Believers in cosmic synchronicity apparently see no reason why these events should call into question the official conspiracy theory. Nor do they see why this series of unlikely coincidences should invalidate repeated official denials of 9/11 foreknowledge by members of the Bush administration.


Personally, I find that most coincidences turn out to be anything but. Because most are trivial, they're not worth the time it takes to even recognize them, much less get to the bottom of the matter.

A very few, however, are of ultimate importance and must be examined critically rather than simply labeled "conspiracy theories," which has become code for the fantasies of certifiable paranoid loons with too much time on their hands.

Fair enough. Let's see what the loons make of the unprecedented absence of NORAD on the only day in recent history that their presence would have been extremely useful.

It's a proven, demonstrable, uncontested fact -- not a trooother fantasy -- that on the morning of 9/11/01 the majority of the northeast corridor's usual contingent of NORAD interceptor jets were engaged in drills that took them far out of the area and out of position to defend against any airborne threats.

It's also a proven, demonstrable, uncontested fact that the WTO was running that plane-into-building scenario that morning, a drill that removed the country's primary group of satellite image watchers and analysts from their usual stations and forced them to mill around the parking lot while the simulation unfolded. They were all away from their screens almost the entire time the alleged hijackings were taking place. By the time the drill was aborted, two high rises had collapsed and the pentagon had allegedly been impaled by a 757.

This 757, btw, was the infamous Flight 77 allegedly piloted by Hani Hanjour, a guy so inept at flying even small planes that in mid-August, 2001, two flight instructors at a Bowie, Maryland airport refused to rent him a single-engine Cessna 172 after taking Hanjour on three test runs, noting he had trouble controlling and landing the Cessna. No problem; he was just waiting for the right enormous Boeing 757 fly-by-wire twin engine commercial jet with an instrument panel the size of a Volkswagen van. Or so we're told.

It's also a proven, demonstrable, uncontested fact that the few planes left out of the exercise were not air-borne until 80 minutes after the first hijacking alert – about 70 minutes longer than a scramble normally takes. In the case of Flight 77, that 757 was allegedly hijacked about 8:50 AM. Interceptors were finally scrambled at 9:30 AM. But nobody orders fighter jets to scramble from Andrews AFB although it's only 11 miles from the pentagon and has a complement of interceptors that were apparently not involved in the various NORAD exercises. Ignoring the easy route, fighters from Langley AFB, about 120 miles south of the pentagon, got the call instead. Then, of course, they head directly for New York at sub-sonic speeds.

That's about when Hani begins channeling the ghosts of Blue Angels past and pulls off the aerial maneuver of the young century: a downward spiral at around 500 MPH during which he carves a perfect 320-degree turn and drops the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. Don't try this at home.

This move was tracked by radar the whole way, so those who say the maneuver never happened are ... um... misinformed. It's a cinch that Hani wasn't flying the plane, though, unless his session with Boeing flight manuals paid off in spectacular fashion. You really have to wonder who was, though...

Meanwhile, the Langley interceptors are done sight-seeing and are on their way back to DC, again at sub-sonic speeds. Unfortunately, the pentagon was hit at 9:38 so they're a little late for the party.

So let's sum up: Flight 77 has uncontested use of US airspace for around 48 minutes. It's supposedly piloted by a guy who can't handle a Cessna. The interceptors assigned to chase Flight 77 are dispatched from the exact wrong base if they're to actually get there in time to take countermeasures. But just to make sure they can't achieve anything, they're sent to New York instead of to the pentagon. At Andrews, jet interceptors sit and wait for calls that never come.

In a bunker somewhere underneath the white house, Bunker King Cheney is running the show. According to Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, in sworn testimony before the 9/11 Commission, here's how Cheney upheld his oath of office that morning, which requires him to "... support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president 'do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said 'Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?'"

So, what were those orders? Engage or stand down? Consider that the wrong planes were scrambled, that the scramble order came almost 40 minutes after Flight 77 had allegedly been hijacked, that they headed for New York rather than for DC, that they maintained a slow (for an F-16) speed of 600 MPH rather than use afterburners and triple that speed, and that they arrived too late to intercept Flight 77 when they must have been receiving realtime status and location reports every few seconds and must have known that 600 MPH wasn't going to do it.

In that context, Cheney's snarled retort to a simple but all-important question seems to indicate that the order he was reaffirming was to stand down rather than to attempt to intercept and engage Flight 77.

There's a pretty good chronology of NORAD's activities on 9/11, as well as links to details on each of the exercises, here. Caution, though... It's a "troother" site and therefore all its content must be completely full of shit. Or so the people will tell you who do the Bushies' PR work for them through their unflagging support for the official fiction, which is the only thing standing between the Bush junta and indictments for mass murder.

So look for yourself. Spend some time googling both truth and debunker sites. Make up your own mind.


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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:51 AM
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38. ahh, truth by consensus...
if only everything in life could be determined by committee, then we would all be harmonious!

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:14 AM
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41. One of these things is not like the other ...
This should be re-written: Some Americans hold wildly out-of-the-mainstream views, often specifically discredited beliefs:

78 percent believe President Bush DID NOT KNOW about the 9/11 attacks in advance.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:02 AM
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43. "18 percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth."
:wtf:

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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:50 AM
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44. At least 22%
I think "Bush Administration" may be truer. Cheney in particular, who made sure President Chucklnutz was out of town when the shit hit the fan and Continuity of Government was rolled out;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfjZVJK_x0

Are we still running under COG rules?
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/05/continuity-of-government-planning-has.html
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