I ran across this quote by General Sherman and it just reminded me of the Young Repubs

[othermeans]

"I confess, without shame, that I am sick and tired of fighting—its glory is all moonshine; even success the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families, appealing to me for sons, husbands, and fathers ... it is only those who have never heard a shot, never heard the shriek and groans of the wounded and lacerated ... that cry aloud for more blood, more vengeance, more desolation"

[pinto]

1. Kick.

[pocoloco]

2. chickenhawks

who have a spot waiting at the absolute bottom of hell!

[realisticphish]

3. wow

i had never heard that one

rec'd

[baldguy]

4. They are young men who glory in war.

Just so long as other peoples' sons bleed.

[alfredo]

5. They hate Sherman anyway because he kicked ass on the rebels

[ashling]

8. See my post #7

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Sherman Was Amazing

At the beginning of the War, he was th only major figure to recognize that it would be a lengthy bloodbath. Although he was from a Southern military family, he joined the Union on principle, and thus was fighting against his own family. He knew how awful the War would be, yet he fought anyway, because, like Lincoln, he believed that our American Experiment was humankind's last, best hope.

[ashling]

9. And what, I wonder, was the last best hope

Of the Native Americans. Refer to post # 7

[MannyGoldstein]

12. That's Awful.

Thank you for teaching me something.

[14thColony]

24. Funny enough....

in not inconsiderable numbers the Native Americans viewed the Confederacy as their last best hope. While many Native Americans remained neutral or sided with the Union, large numbers fought as Confederate soldiers, in some cases joining 'white' regiments just like everyone else. A large proportion of the Cherokee Nation sided with the Confederacy, under their leader (and Confederate Brigadier General) Stand Watie.

[REP]

23. The Ewings Weren't Southern

Sherman was raised by Thomas and Maria Ewing after Sherman's father died. The Ewings lived in Ohio, and Thomas Ewing was Senator Thomas Ewing, who served as the first Secretary of the Interior. Sherman's father was from Connecticutt.

[Thothmes]

26. He was not from a Souther military family

He was born in Ohio. His father was a lawyer and a Judge on the Ohio Supereme Court.

[ashling]

7. He was also the man behind the ethnic cleansing of the

American West: Every Indian we kill this year is one less we have to kill in the next war."

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

10. Unfortunately, he wasn't alone in that attitude

Native Americans were considered less than dirt by all but a few.

[realisticphish]

11. many, many civil war generals

were involved in that, both before and after the war. That doesn't excuse it, by any means, but it also doesn't make his quote less true or relevant :shrug:

[ashling]

21. I didn't say that it did

And most of the generals who fought in those western campaigns went on to fight in the Spanish American war. 87% of the generals who fought in the Phillipines in the "insurrection" there had fought in the west.

Most of them apparently felt that Filipinos were "less than dirt" also (I realize that was from another post) where our brave troops destroyed villages, murdered thousands of Filipino civilians and used "the water cure" to get information on arms caches, etc.

the genocide goes on and on ... and they say Rev. Wright is wrong. Tsk, tsk.

[Elidor]

16. "We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check & stop the progress of the railroads"

"I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier

"We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. (The Sioux must) feel the superior power of the Government.

"During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age."

Not one of the good guys. He was justified in his March to the Sea. After that he was just a savage killer.

[Duke Newcombe]

18. Doesn't that sound eerily similar to...

"...we need to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here.."

Just sayin'

Duke

[galledgoblin]

22. he also negotiated a number of treaties to end the fighting

the opening chapter of Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee describes how he sat with the Navajo tribe and negotiated the large settlement's current borders in the Southwest.

he's one of my complicated heroes from history. he wasn't a saint (by today's standards, he was a war criminal), but the world he lived in was a different one. he was tasked with calming the west for settlers and rail, and he followed his orders the only way he knew how. even with that, he was still a much better man than his peers were, and did try to limit the deaths on both sides.

[Octafish]

13. Real soldiers know war is Hell. Death. Pain. Ruin. Profit.

On the whole, Republicans -- particularly those of the neocon stench -- are chickenhawks. The crazy monkey not only went AWOL, he became friends with James Bath and the House of bin Laden and went on to worser and worst things.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

14. And that's why we have the moral high ground. the one that slays

the most meat wins.

[tex-wyo-dem]

15. Excellent post and to the point...

If the chickenhawk young neo-con Kevin James types advocating war like it was a video game actually experienced in person even a few moments of real, heavy battle, they would be cowering in a corner weaping with a foul stench eminating from their well pressed khakis.

Cowards, frauds and narscisists...

[bushmeister0]

17. Ullysses S. Grant had a similar take on this regarding his commanding officers.

From his Personal Memoirs:

"It did seem to me, in my early army days, that too many of the older officers, when they came to command posts, made it a study to think what orders they could publish to annoy their subordinates and render them uncomfortable. I noticed, however, a few years later, when the Mexican war broke out, that most of this class of officers discovered they were possessed of disabilities which entirely incapacitated them for active field service. They had the moral courage to proclaim it, too. They were right; but they did not always give their disease the right name."

http://www.bartleby.com/1011/3.html

[MinM]

19. "The Party's Over" ... n/t

[Wizard777]

20. What about this quote from Bush Sr. to the FBI concerning the Texas Young Republicans?

There's been a lot of talk around the Young Republicans club about shooting the President.

Bush Sr. phoned this into the FBI as JFK was being shot in Dallas. Boy talk about an air tight alibi.

[Brigid]

25. Sherman was thought crazy . . .

for insisting that the Civil War would be long and bloody. But he knew exactly what he was talking about. When he said, "War is hell," he meant what he said and said what he meant.