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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:48 PM
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Poll question: Critical thinking re: Little Scotty
Is Little Scotty lying or not? or someplace in between? In league with the Bushies to throw the media off the trail with juicy tids and bits about Rove and Scooter and The Dick? Was he knowingly lying then ..... and if he was, why do we trust him now? Do we trust him now?

I've formed this as a poll, but it really may be more complicated than the ten choices possible in a DU poll. Hopefully you'll take the time for an actual answer.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:49 PM
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1. I think we're witnessing the first successful deprogramming from the Bush cult.
Witness Perino "this doesn't sound like the Scott we knew!"

Sounds like something the remaining cult members would say.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:55 PM
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2. I read that Little Scrotey's mother exerted some influence on him
and turned his head around about ChimpCo, even while he was in the White House. Never doubt the power of a mother's influence.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:57 PM
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3. I like John Roberts take on it...after he was hung out to dry
But something changed when McClellan found out he had been duped by Rove and Libby in his October of 2003 assertion that they had not been involved in the Valerie Plame leak. I talked to him about it in his office one day, and while he didn’t give away outward emotion, I could see in his eyes that something had shifted. He had been hung out to dry and he did not appreciate it one bit. McClellan remained the loyal soldier, but from that day forward, you could see that he no longer believed.


That betrayal of trust was much deeper than anyone, including myself could have imagined. His criticism of the White House and the president — extraordinary for a former press secretary — runs the gamut from the CIA leak to an “unnecessary” war in Iraq to Bush’s “lack of inquisitiveness.” I have never known a press secretary to be anything more than mildly critical of his or her former boss. Scotty has very nearly set fire to the building.

And in expected fashion, White House officials, current and former have cranked up the machine to destroy his credibility, dismissing McClellan as ‘out of the loop’, suggesting he was basically a flack and not really a part of the president’s inner circle. Perino even called him a ‘sad’ figure. In the past, the White House has flensed its turncoats with the expertise of a 19th century New England whaleman. Just ask Paul O’Neill or Richard Clarke — former Bush loyalists who dared to transgress the unwritten code.

But I have a sense this time will be different. McClellan is stating the now obvious — the accepted — the widely believed. A minority of Americans think the Iraq war was necessary. A court of law has ruled that Scooter Libby lied. And there’s pretty good reason to conclude that Rove only escaped prosecution by the skin of his teeth.

So the problem with the White House taking the long knives to McClellan is this: With the benefit of hindsight, more reasonable people are likely to believe him than those who denounce him.

more:http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/28/roberts-white-house-says-not-the-scott-mcclellan-we-knew/


ANd I'd love to know what he told Fitzgerald's grand jury and how it differs from he book.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan confirmed he had testified to the grand jury investigating the leak as part of a federal investigation led by US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.


Joe Wilson, whose wife was named, now works for Democrat John Kerry
Adam Levine, a former administration press aide, also appeared at the inquiry, his lawyer told the New York Times.

Mr McClellan said: "I'm just doing my part to co-operate fully with the investigation.

"The president has made it clear that no-one wants to get to the bottom of it more than he does."

Sources said to be involved in the case were quoted by the Washington Post as saying other witnesses included Mr Rove, Mr Libby, former Cheney adviser Mary Matalin, White House communications director Dan Bartlett, former press secretary Ari Fleischer and Cheney press aide Cathie Martin.

more:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3474981.stm
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:12 PM
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9. If Scotty By The Fact That He Was Lied To Gave False Testimony To Fitz.......
can Fitz reconvene the grand jury and re-depose Scotty? Can Scotty be held for perjury if in fact he gave false testimony? I don't think Scotty is so stupid that he would say anything different in his book than what he said in his Fitz testimony. The only way he would contradict his testimony now is if he was lied to back then and now has figured that out and is coming out with what he now believes to be the truth.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:59 PM
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4. I think he's coming clean- with no remosre
only self-interest (indignation at being lied to, wanting to cut himself loose from association with a historical disaster). I don't think it was (soley) for $$$.

That wasn't one of your choices! :)

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:04 PM
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Yes it was ......
.... the choice was "Other" :hi:

Polls on complicated questions are hard to do.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:01 PM
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5. He's still protecting Bush, saying Bush was LIED TO himself. Scotty is the guy from "No Exit"
... who puts a gun to his head at the end of the movie to save his boss.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:08 PM
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8. I also believe this book is part of a massaging effort. ANYTIME the Bush group
admits to anything it is to soften the blow on worse stuff.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:04 PM
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6. I prefer to believe that there's some good in him
The kool-aid wore off, and the nagging part of him that was always bugging him about his latest spin-job or whatever (evidenced by the copious sweat) was finally too much.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:06 PM
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7. I believe he's probably 80/20 coming clean, however
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:09 PM by Uncle Joe
while he may be admitting what most people have already begun to figure out in spite of the corporate media, he may still have some misleading statements in his book, I wouldn't take it as the unvarnished total truth.

I also believe there is a small chance of a good cop/bad cop scenario being played out, in order to mislead the people on some fundamental truth.

P.S. I can't say for sure without reading the book, but one thing seems clear from an early impression, the corporate media is acting as one entity in their derision of his motives.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:15 PM
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10. I think he's indicating his willingness to flip for the prosecution
I think he's showing a bit of what he knows so the prosecution will offer him a great deal in exchange for what ELSE he knows. Bushco will not be able to protect him after January. He's shopping either for a pardon now or for protection.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:46 PM
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11. Wouldn't I love THAT!
"Prosecution"

What a lovely word.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:08 PM
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12. none of the above.
scottie is looking to the future for himself and it looked bad.
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