Yeah, yeah, yeah ..... we **knew** all that. Where the fuck is IMPEACHMENT??????

[Stinky The Clown]

The shock. The outrage. The obfuscation. The cluck clucking. The finger pointing and soul searching.

What the fuck ever.

IMPEACHMENT.

This administration's and this president's crimes are **exactly** what the founding fathers had in mind.

So shut the fuck up about Little Scotty's new book unless you intended to SUBPOENA his sorry ass as a witness in the development of the Articles in the House and as a witness in a Senate trial.

[midnight]

1. Yep......Where is it?

[Mist]

2. Time to tell Pelosi it's back on the table:

[ladjf]

13. Pelosi's unwillingness to confront Bush has been one of the

biggest disappointments since the 2004 election.

[underseasurveyor]

3. It is getting old

Waiting for it that is:freak:

[chill_wind]

4. Impeach. INDICT. IMPRISON. n/t

[liberal N proud]

5. Congress should be calling for a full scale criminal investigation

With prosecutors answering only to congress because the justice department is part of the corruption.

[ladjf]

15. The fact that the Justice Department is unwilling to prosecute

any of the Bush associates if proof that they are also criminals. Yes, the Congress has to bypass
the Justice Department and include them as among the criminal suspects, not to mention some of the Supreme Court justices.

What a sordid mess. I can't think of a single government organization, with the possible exception of the Coast Guard, that is trustworthy.

[Initech]

22. Didnt Bush stock the JD full of Regent University grads?

No wonder they're unwilling to participate.

[ladjf]

25. Yes. There is no doubt that he and his henchmen took over

control of the Justice Dept., not to mention the Supreme Court, the Pentagon, the State Dept., the
Dept. of Homeland Security, the CIA, the FBI and much of the law enforcement in the Country.

A Coup has occurred. But, a successful win by the Dems in 2008 could begin to overthrow the thugs.

[Stinky The Clown]

31. Yes, and they're in career jobs .... not political appointees

That makes them much harder to weed out and get rid of.

.... like fucking cockroaches ........

[bdamomma]

36. cockroaches?

can we use some RAID on them.

[indie_voter]

6. Hear Hear. IMPEACH! n/t

[demnan]

7. If only we had more people who felt that way

we should be rioting in the streets for it. I've been on Capital Hill numerous times requesting it. It will never get done.

Impeach Pelosi first.

[ladjf]

16. It will get done only when honest and courageous people are

in charge.

[RufusTFirefly]

8. BushCo has successfully been using the same tried-and-true technique since Nov. 2000

Run out the clock.

[Carni]

9. I could not agree more IMPEACH!

It's too bad that FOOLS like Pelosi feel differently about this matter!

I guess they think 7.5 years of this miserable thieving bastard and his minions isn't enough?

They want us to have another 6 plus months of him...

[underpants]

10. IMPEACH them

get it on the books

[Hydra]

11. All of the drama is pure BS

Total theater to try and make themselves look good while they're busy screwing us.

All of us knew this in 2004, we knew it in 2006, and our leaders ignored us.

Bush said you are either with him or against him. Well, we knew where our leadership is.

[Individualist]

17. Hear, hear!

Until voters stop returning enablers to their positions, nothing will change.

[Hydra]

18. Voters didn't put these people in

That's the problem we're having. A great thread on that earlier today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3355744

[Individualist]

Interesting thought

There's no doubt that neocons have manipulated elections to get their people into office. I hadn't thought about it before, but it would also be in their interests to get DLCers elected. However, they couldn't achieve this without a significant number of party loyalists who always vote for anyone with a D after their names.

[Hydra]

27. Of course

One of the biggest firestorms on DU over the last few years is "Dem, right or wrong."

To that I say, "Ya, if they WERE Dems!"

"Third way" is not representative of the Democratic party. Appeasement of Republicans is not a tenet of the Democratic party. Throwing the poor and working class under the bus SHOULDN'T be a tenet of the party.

You are correct about the Repubs seeing the DLC as "acceptable"- after all, they can be counted on to vote with the Repubs whenever the issue matters, and the provide an illusion of an opposition party. Hell, our own party shoots down people like Ted Lamont for daring to be real Dems.

As George Carlin says, "It's all bullshit, and it's bad for ya!"

[ladjf]

12. Until Bush and his confederates are tried and punished for their

serious acts of criminality, we will continue to know that the U.S. Government is still in the hands
of criminals. Its as simple as that. Why else would they be allowed to remain unpunished? They are guilty and everyone knows it. It is making a total mockery of our Constitution and all of its
institutions.

[Psyop Samurai]

24. Shhhh... You're not supposed to do simple math...

The adults are in charge, and our job is to marvel at their ability to do advanced calculus.

:sarcasm:

[Xenotime]

14. No shit.

[ismnotwasm]

19. Oh yeah

WE fucking knew, didn't we? And were were they? Were the fuck were they?

Impeach those sonofabitches, charge them with the crimes they committed and send them to fucking prison.

[yellerpup]

20. Kicking for impeachment.

Yes, GWB & Posse have commited EXACTLY the crimes that the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote provisions for IMPEACHMENT. IMO they have also committee EXACTLY the crimes that should land them in the Hague for war crimes. :kick:

[StarryNite]

21. Impeach!

:bounce:

[Initech]

23. Impeach the motherfuckers NOW!!!

[Psyop Samurai]

26. Your timely ability to cut to the quick...

...is a real soul saver at times.

K&R

[The Stranger]

28. The Nancy Disaster held us down so the G.O.P. could fuck us for all eternity.

It's all over but the cryin'.

[KharmaTrain]

29. DeFacto...

Dare I go into the many stupid, but real reasons why impeachment can't and won't happen right now. There's still that silly thing of 34 enablers in the Senate that will follow this regime over the abyss. Then there's the ongoing court battle with "executive privilidge" that prevents a true investigation and then the ultimate pardon game this regime is sure to play. It's too late in the game here and while there are plenty of accusations, we still don't have the smoking guns. Not that they won't show...as Snotty's book shows, the mask is starting to come off this regime and more tongues will wag (for profit) and with it more facts, evidence and the need to prosecute and impeach.

I don't know if you saw Congressman Wexler's letter the other day, but he does explain where things are now and that he is emboldened not to let the crimes of this regime go unaccounted for. IMHO, impeachment is a part of what needs to be done here...after criminality is both presented with solid evidence and convictions are obtained...and sadly, neither will happen with the 16 tons of pardons and executive privilidge hanging over the whole procedure.

The November election is vital here...the Democrats need not only to win the White House and wipe away all the obstructions and begin to investigate from that end on all that happened (as much as they can find) combined with restoring a functioning Justice Department (I get a feeling there are a lot of career federal prosecutors out there chomping to get at their former bosses) and a whole different political atmosphere. A repudiation of a third booosh term also will embolden our common goal and push forward in not just cleaning up the messes but also getting accountability.

I won't be satified with impeachment...as that only addresses the political, not the criminal. War crimes and crimes against humanity need to be addressed. Defacto impeachment must be the end result...allowing Congressman Conyers and Waxman to present compelling evidence that a Democratic House and Senate will then pass.

Right now I'm for digging further and deeper...using inherent contempt when subpoenas aren't honored and pushing the process forward (and, yes it is moving forward).

[Independent_Liberal]

33. Yes, Wexler is right that we must keep pushing for accountability no matter what.

In my opinion, all the investigations have been done. The evidence is overwhelming. We HAVE plenty of smoking guns. They need to use inherent contempt on Rove and arrest him. That's good. Wexler is also right that McClellan should testify before the House Judiciary Committee. I don't know what more we need. Impeachment of Bush and Cheney could be completed in a day. Just read David Swanson's blogs on afterdowningstreet.org debunking that "not enough time" argument. He goes into details on many past impeachments that have been completed within a matter of weeks. Conyers sure has all the evidence he needs (just look at his "Constitution in Crisis" report). As for the "we don't have the votes" argument, they just need to start the hearings in the House airing out all the dirty laundry to the public and then if the House approves, send it to the Senate. If 34 Republicans want to stand up to defend torture and war crimes, let them. Who knows...maybe many of them won't even be willing to defend the indefensible. They DO want to get re-elected. They'll be faced with the option "Stand with Bush or keep your job." If the public outcry and outrage gets too deafening, maybe they'll just go up to the White House and ask Bush and Cheney to leave just like they did with Nixon. A little something to think about. If I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, so be it. You never know something until you try. Another benefit of doing impeachment now would be it would help prevent pardons of all the other felons like Abramoff, Cunningham, Foggo, Wilkes, etc.

[KharmaTrain]

34. It's Still Circumstantial...

Unfortunately there is no direct evidence to either booosh or cheney giving direct orders. There is no Nixon tapes or Blue Dress...just the words and speculations and in-direct evidence. While there are plenty of crimes that I can cite, that's not how impeachment has worked in the past. Conyers needs a criminal indictment (Watergate...Nixon being an unidicted co-conspirator) or referal like the Starr report that is used as the underpinnings of writing the charges and presenting the case. I've read plenty of blogs and strongly believe a lot of impeachment offenses have been committed, but, again, direct evidence is needed...a smoking gun...a legal backbone that forces repgunicans to defend in indefensible.

Again, impeachment is political...and it will do little to change how things are...especially without a conviction. An acquittal in the Senate also closes any future litigation no matter what new disclosures show up after this regime leaves office. It also doesn't address the widespread corruption and criminality that wasn't done directly by boooosh or cheney...letting the little fish get away to create hell another day (just like they did after Watergate).

We've seen time and time again, the Senate repugnicans will go over the abyss to protect this regime. They've voted against a GI bill for veterans, child healthcare, making the oil companies accountable...you name it, they obstruct...and you think they'll have some sudden conversion?

In another thread I threw out the possibility of holding an impeachment AFTER the election...during the lame duck session. This could especially be the case with a large Democratic win that would prevent a possible Iran attack and wholescale pardons. The other game that appears to be in play is to wait out this regime...give them little as possible to pardon, using the time to build the case and then go after not just political but actual crimes.

Personally, I won't feel justice is truly served until I see that entire regime in front of the World Court to address their war crimes and crimes against humanity. Impeachment is all well and good, but that doesn't even begin to address the crimes and criminals.

Cheers...

[pleah]

30. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hootinholler]

32. NO! Stern Letters! Stern Letters!

That will fix their wagon.

-Hoot

[Senator]

35. Impeachment Can Be Done In Days -- Yes Really

There's nothing to investigate. No required procedures.

A simple up or down vote on torture and treason in the House.

There are no circumstances or witnesses for a Senate Trial. No questions of law or even fact.

We can have caretaker President Danforth (or Warner) removing troops from the meatgrinder all summer.

Accept NONE of their pathetic, lame excuses.

---

[Stinky The Clown]

37. We have a winner! Thank you. You're absolutely right.

It CAN be done in days.

There is NO NEED for actual, legal proof of anything. A president can be impeached and removed for a bad haircut.