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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:59 AM
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Fundies and their Victimization Syndrome: This time in Ramsey County, Minnesota.....
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from the Alliance Defense Fund:


Ramsey County, Minn., threatens tax-exempt status of nearly 800 churches
Court puts stop to taxation of church represented by ADF-allied attorney while litigation proceeds; hundreds of ‘church organizations’ at risk


Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 7:34 AM (MST) |
ADF Media Relations | 480-444-0020



ST. PAUL, Minn. — Ramsey County officials are demanding that nearly 800 churches and related organizations submit forms and information or else risk loss of tax-exempt status, despite Minnesota law that exempts churches from such requirements. An Alliance Defense Fund allied attorney succeeded in obtaining an order from the Minnesota Tax Court that prevents the county from collecting property tax from one church through the end of legal proceedings, but the case continues in court. The county’s actions unlawfully place the tax-exempt status of hundreds of churches in jeopardy.

“Government officials have no right to harass churches in violation of state law,” said ADF Senior Counsel Joe Infranco. “The county needs to realize that its threats to revoke the tax-exempt status of hundreds of churches unless those churches submit a laundry list of documents is clearly in violation of Minnesota law.”

Ramsey County sent letters to 783 “church organizations” questioning tax exemptions for various reasons. The letters demanded the churches submit tax exemption forms, incorporation documents, bylaws, financial statements, and other information or else face the loss of tax-exempt status, even though Minnesota law does not require churches to file such documentation. Advent Evangelical Lutheran Church risked losing its tax-exemption on undeveloped land the church owns.

ADF-allied attorney Lynn Basich filed a motion for waiver of tax payments on behalf of the church so that the church would not be subject to tax while its lawsuit against the county moves forward. The chief judge of the tax court, George Perez, signed the order on May 12.

“Just because a church has not yet put a building on a piece of land does not mean it is subject to taxation,” Basich explained. “Nor does it mean that the county has a right to harass churches for information under threat of losing tax-exempt status when state law clearly states that churches do not have to submit such information. We hope the assessor’s office will reconsider its illegal requests and no longer bully the churches of Ramsey County.”

The order from the Tax Court of the Second Judicial District releasing the church from having to pay property tax during litigation in Advent Evangelical Lutheran Church v. County of Ramsey is available at www.telladf.org/UserDocs/AdventLutheranChurchOrder.pdf.

ADF is a legal alliance of Christian attorneys and like-minded organizations defending the right of people to freely live out their faith. Launched in 1994, ADF employs a unique combination of strategy, training, funding, and litigation to protect and preserve religious liberty, the sanctity of life, marriage, and the family.


www.telladf.org

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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:06 AM
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1. As long as they agree to stay out of our political system I don't care if they are tax exempt.
But some churches believe that it is their duty to bring us all to Christ and they want to do it by imposing their beliefs on us all through our judicial system. Tax the hell out of those!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:21 AM
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4. That door must swing both ways, though.
There are also some very politically liberal churches who could use their pulpits and places of worship, supporting judges who believe as they do and using the judicial system to impose their beliefs on others who do not believe as they do. (From a Biblical standpoint I believe that Jesus was clearly a "Liberal" for his time and now.) To be consistent, if a church uses its tax exempt religious facilities to promote any political viewpoint along with the candidates who support that viewpoint then it should be at risk of losing its tax exempt status whether it be the "fundies" who are much hated here or a more liberal church.
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:30 AM
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5. Why should they be tax-exempt? That is just a dodge. If every "religious" organization
were treated the same (by making them pay taxes like everyone else), why would that NOT meet the constitutional requirements?

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:10 AM
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2. From somebody who is at best an agnostic: not all churches are "fundies". n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:17 AM
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3. I'm not saying they are....The fundie remark is directed at the Alliance Defense Fund.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 11:18 AM by marmar
.... which very much is a "fundie" organization, n'est-ce pas? .... And I'm not agnostic, I believe in God.



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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:48 AM
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7. Your title said "fundies" and the story spoke of hundreds of churches and named a Lutheran church.
Most Lutheran churches are not fundamentalist, although many here at DU paint with a broad brush and put all Christians into that category. I meant that "I" am an agnostic, not you, so my comment that not all churches are fundies would not look like I am supporting any particular church.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:52 AM
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8. Claro que si. ..... I grew up Lutheran, Missouri synod.
I don't claim a particular faith or denomination now, but I understand it well.

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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:31 AM
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6. Run a Ramsey Co Non-profit
I tried to get a state sales tax exemption from the state for a fund raiser happening earlier this month. I started in September of last year and they just kept asking for more documents once a month and I gave up.

I was unaware that that couties had anything to do with sales tax. State and City ales tax I have heard of but not county.

BTW I hate Lavander* pennies (sales tax)

*name of the governor that instituted the "temporary" sales tax in Minnesota while I was in Junior High.
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