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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:22 PM
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They Are Saying That Scotty Did This For The Money - I Think He Did It.......
because he is 'patriotic'. This is how we should be responding to the Repug * Apologists when they try and dump on Scotty. I think he has done the country a great service by putting out this book. It confirms a lot of what we all suspected and from an insider in the WH.

We need to support Scotty now. We need to keep this story alive all the way through to November. We need to make sure that Leahy and Conyers get Scotty up to Capitol Hill.

His account of Bush personally admitting that he released the NIE for Cheney and Libby to use is really, really damning. If we continue to push this - perhaps - just perhaps - it will give the MSM enough courage to do their job and redeem themselves and also force Pelosi and Reed to put impeachment back on the table.

Let's not let the Repug smear machine tarnish Scotty. We are all smarter now - because we've learned over these 8 years that we were right all along. It's time we put an end to this criminal administration and make sure that nothing like this ever happens again in this country. Not following through will give a green light to others that we condone this behavior.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:23 PM
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1. He may just be trying to separate himself from the terrible legacy of the Bush years--
even if it's all self-interest, that's enough for me to pat him on the back.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:26 PM
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4. I'm with you
Who gives a rats ass why? Many of of us have been praying for someone to come forward. Now someone has and we're kicking him in the ass and speculating on his motives. Here, here Scotty!!! :toast:

I'm going with 'because he's a Patriot' answer.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:02 PM
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50. redemption is a part of america.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:25 PM
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2. I hope this prompts others to come out with there stories and that just might...
be the thing that will bring this Administration down with a huge fall.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:26 PM
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3. The idealistic side of me agrees with the patriotic part...
The cynical side of me thinks he's just protecting Bush by blaming everyone else in the Cabinet.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:49 PM
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18. I think Bush really has been a front man simp
I always found it curious that after 9/11 Cheney was physically siezed by Secret Service and whisked away to safety while Bush sat apparently blissfully oblivious for as long as he did before his team even heard what was going on.
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Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:27 PM
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5. Call him Captain America. Just don't buy the book.
That way he doesn't have to worry about being "greedy".

It seems manipulative. It's just red meat for hungry dogs. The book is vague. He wasn't here, but this could of happened there. The hype is high.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:27 PM
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6. I think part of his motive was money - but I also think he did it for his own conscience
He was the mouthpiece for those lies for several years, and I think he started feeling guilty about it. Whatever his reasons, I'm glad he came forward and told the truth.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:27 PM
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7. if he was "patriotic" he would have left while it was happening
he is a long time member of the "texas mafia" of shrub's closest friends and crooks. He purposefully disrupted the press while they were looking into Scooter Libby. If he were patriotic, he could have let them in to the story.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:28 PM
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8. The patriotic thing to do would be to tell his story under oath.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 02:33 PM by rocknation
Disseminating propaganda is supposed to be illegal in this country. However, I have to admit that I'm enjoying the way the MSM is acting as though they're shocked--SHOCKED!!!--that they were lied to.

I hope Keith Olbermann isn't TOO easy on him tonight--I sent him this DU thread as reference material.

:headbang:
rocknation
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:28 PM
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9. Amen. That's the way it needs to be framed.
NGU.


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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:30 PM
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10. I just want him to keep on talking - and to tell the truth
Edited on Thu May-29-08 02:31 PM by eleny
I don't care why he's doing it.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:30 PM
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11. It's the loyal Repubs like Scotty
who have the most to lose and the most to be angry about when they finally see through Bush-Cheney.

Scotty could be the tip of the iceberg.
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MartianChild99 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:33 PM
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12. I dunno
Seems that if you do some backtracking it ends up at Soros' feet. Can't something be done to keep Soros' name out of it? THat just seems to stir up more shit........that name is just like gas to the flame (although with the price of gas these days)
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:39 PM
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13. You Know That The Repug Smear Machine Is Good .......
they are going to throw anything out there to discredit Scotty. Whatever sticks they will drive home even more. We just can't let this happen. We need to keep this alive and keep hammering that they lied us into a war. It was a massive marketing campaign that up to this point has gotten 4,071 of our troops killed. Top that with the Plame outing and katrina - and that Bush himself released the NIE - they don't have a leg to stand on - whether they invoke Soros or not.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:41 PM
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15. Why is it OK for the right-wing
to have Rupert Murdoch, Scaife, Reverend Moon etc on their side?

It's pretty one-sided if all the billionaires stick up for propaganda only.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:38 PM
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24. "Can't something be done to keep Soros' name out of it?"
I dunno. Seems like someone who signs up and uses their first post to introduce Soros into the topic is trying very hard to keep his name in it.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:57 PM
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41. Is MartianChild99 Really G.W.B?...........nt
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:53 PM
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37. Invoking Soros is wingnut propaganda--don't go for it
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:55 PM
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38. wtf?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:40 PM
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14. Watever the reason, nobody has denied it or pointed at anything that was not correct
They are just puzzled and think it doesn't sound like the Scotty that they knew. On, and maybe the producers "tweaked" it.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:41 PM
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16. An Afterthought To My Original Comment - Scotty Has Given Michael Moore Lots Of Material For......
his F 9/11 sequel. What else will Michael Moore reveal in this sequel? Just about everything we've suspected has come true - what else is left?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:44 PM
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17. Oh noes! Not money!
As if the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq weren't launched with their own very large financial component securely in place. Quick questions for anyone saying that McClellan is only doing this for the money (and what if he is?): How much oil is being pumped in Iraq? Who's paying for it? Who's shipping it? Where's it going? Is it being paid for at either end of transit? Who's receiving those payments?

Now, consider what Iraq's daily output was oil-wise before the invasion, and multiply those millions of barrels by $100. Where's all that money going?

Now, you were talking about Scott McClellan getting money for a book were you?
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:52 PM
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19. For whatever his reason he's done the right thing
He's sown the seed of doubt and made us scrutinize every Bush Admin syllable. No bad can come of that.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:55 PM
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20. What he is doing is softening up the public for the next wave of revelations
that will surprise even the most jaded political junkie. Plus he is laying the groundwork for avoiding prosecution for war crimes.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:14 PM
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21. I don't agree at all.
If he was patriotic he would have spoken up when it could have mattered, not when Bush is a lame duck, and when Scott stands to make a nice personal profit. That's not courage, that's cowardice.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:34 PM
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22. Success (and wealth) are the best revenge!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:35 PM
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23. So what if he did it for money
They've been committing all sorts of crimes for money. It's the Rethug way.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:39 PM
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25. This is why we shouldn't torture those who disagree with us, even
if they have done us harm in the past. Of course he is a patriot for revealing the awful truth (okay, most of us HERE knew it already...) about the most corrupt administration since Caligula. His old masters won't be talking to him now and he's sure to get lonely. Eventually, he will come to trust us and then he'll tell us everything. Maybe we can use it as vidence in the trial.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:40 PM
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26. I think it's conscience clearing
Essentially, McClellen was complicit (however unknowingly) in a lot of very, very bad stuff. Now, his conscience is getting to him and he wants to spill his guts in a book. Little bit like getting paid to go to a therapist.

I'm unsure what to think of Scotty right now. If this is just ass-covering and for the money, then fuck him. On the other hand, if this is the start of a turnaround in his personal views (like Ariana Huffington or David Brock) then he should be applauded.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:43 PM
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27. I don't care why he did it.
I am enjoying the fact that he did it. :popcorn:



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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:45 PM
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28. Good for Scott.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 04:45 PM by Mimosa
Mr. McClellan probably 'believed' up to a crucial point. There is reason to question a person's motives when he wants to tell the truth as he discovered it.

Didn't his father write a book about what he knew about the JFK assassination based on the records of LBJ's insider attorney? I recall reading excerpts long ago. Like father, like son can be a good thing.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:45 PM
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29. If it was "patriotic", he wouldn't have waited for the publication date to start talking /nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:46 PM
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30. i don't care why he did it...it has the country looking at how bu$h* got us into an uncessary war
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:46 PM
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31. Wel, ya know, time was ole Scotty used t'ride wi'that gang o'hoss thieves
Dunno I kin rightly say how't was he moved back t'town. I spect now might could be he's got a tad skeerd by rumors o'th'posse coming, cuz he tell everbody he meet he ain't ride wi'that gang no mo
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2hip Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:50 PM
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32. He stepped outside the bubble to see reality.
He was used and made to look like a fool. He's just setting the record straight to pull himself out from under the bus.

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ObamaTime2008 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:50 PM
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33. He did it for money
As they always do. Reminds me of all the other times Republicans are on their last days in the White House. It's a game that they play and we always fall for it and buy their damn books.
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ObamaTime2008 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:50 PM
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34. He did it for money
As they always do. Reminds me of all the other times Republicans are on their last days in the White House. It's a game that they play and we always fall for it and buy their damn books.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:50 PM
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35. Where was his conscience when he was helping Bush/Cheney lie to the public?
He was part of the deception. Sorry but he needs to be punished with the rest of them. Maybe he can plea down to lousy lier.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:51 PM
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36. All I care is whether or not he's willing to testify. nt
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:56 PM
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39. Maybe now we'll find out who Gannon was boning on all his visits to the White House
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:57 PM
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40. Sorry, a Patriot would not have lied to the American in the first place.
People are dead and more are dying every day, because he did his job (lied for the pResident).
Fuck him!!
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:59 PM
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42. I can't sit here and hail Scotty as a hero
until all those who were against the war from the start, who resisted the propaganda and the lies, and who spoke and acted against it, even when their voices weren't heard, receive a full apology from those who maligned them back in the day, and get some recognition for having been the true heroes.

Scotty coming clean now, whether it's to ease his own conscience, pad his own wallet, or payback his old masters, doesn't bring back the 4000+ dead American soldiers, nor the 100's of thousands of innocent dead Iraqis.

The best it does is cement into the public memory the fact that this war was unnecessary, and that we were deceived into waging it. But anyone who's been paying attention already knows that.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:16 PM
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43. He did it for revenge against Bush, who threw him under the bus n/t
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:18 PM
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44. I agree. As long as what he says is true, and we all know it is,
I could care less if there is a monetary motive. His testimony will help our candidate get elected, and that's what is important right now.

Scotty is a hero. Who knew he had it in him!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:22 PM
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45. He Did Do It For The Money...But...
Damn right he did or he would have come out with this stuff two years ago...and not to a publisher, but to a grand jury or the House Judiciary committee (let's hope that still happens). I also think he's a "gisgruntled" employee and that's not a bad thing in its own. Why did he become that way? Some was conscious, but also it was the way he was treated. He sounds as much hurt as vindictive...but vindictive he is. The difference is that we're not in his sites, it's his former friends.

Please, don't give this slimeball any sympathy at this point...he's opened up more questions than provided answers. He's no John Dean. Let's see how this story proceedes. If this book forces the corporate media to come clean in their complicity, that in its own right will be a good thing.

Only when members of this regime are marched off to jail will there be a real message sent that this type of behavior won't be condoned. Nothing more, nothing less.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:23 PM
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46. Scotty is on the road to Healing and showing signs of being a Patriot
If anyone is disgruntled and vindictive...its the BULLY GOP and BUSHCO...
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:54 PM
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47. Today on NPR they interviewed several whistleblower authors, incuding
the man who jammed the lines so dems could not call (in 2004?) to take people to the polls, etc. He served time and is a changed man. He wrote his book to show that to his children and to expose the GOPers. He never intends to be a PUG again. Most interesting!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:00 PM
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48. Patriotic?! WTF?! ROFLMAO!!
Sorry, but NONE and that means NONE of the rat bastards in the * administration are Patriotic! Nor are most of Congress!

The Constitution means diddly squat to most * Co and Congress and they are shredding it as we speak!

FYI-Scotty wrote that book to protect his own a$$. You don't get any more selfish or self serving than that!

Yeah, it's good for our side now, but it came at the cost of how many lives? :grr:
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:06 PM
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49. I agree he shouldn't be ignored or demonized
Edited on Thu May-29-08 07:09 PM by Duncan
I say good on him for speaking the truth. Better late than never.
So what if he is making money from it.
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