Susan Sarandan will move to Italy or Canada if McCain is elected.

[John Kerry VonErich]

"SUSAN SARANDON, who appeared in three films last year and won kudos for her TV movie "Bernard and Doris," is still not a contented soul. She says if John McCain gets elected, she will move to Italy or Canada. She adds, "It's a critical time, but I have faith in the American people.""

from http://www.nypost.com/seven/05292008/gossip/liz/pollack_was_loved_112946.htm?page=2

[Book Lover]

1. She isn't too up on Italian politics, then

http://www.beppegrillo.it/english.php

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. Don't forget that the Conservatives are in power in Canada

[Monk06]

51. The Fascists are in power in Italy. For the next five years. The Communists have no seats. Nada.

[johnnycatt]

59. Communists having no seats is a good thing!

[Monk06]

63. You are naive and know little about the history of the Italian Communist Party

The Communists were the only party that put up
a fight against Mussolini. The Catholic Church
endorsed him as they did Franco in Spain and still
do in opposition to Zapetaro's government.

Read Gramsci's Prison Notes and then get back to me.

You might also want to read Marx's Economic and Philosophical
Manuscripts of 1844.

As a rule I discount anything Americans say about Communism because
Americans are historically and philosophically illiterate.

[Name removed]

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[Monk06]

65. I come from a Catholic family. Pope Pius XII was a notorious reactionary as is the present Pope

The Papacy has fought Humanism and the Enlightenment
tooth and nail and aggressively resists progressive
movements in the world especially in South America.

Carmona's coup against Chavez was supported by Cardinal Velasco

Either get an education or go back the FR where you probably
came from.

[Name removed]

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[Monk06]

67. I changed my mind you're not naive. You're an ideologue and not a very intelligent one.

[NuttyFluffers]

78. "Americans are historically and philosophically illiterate."

zOMG, that is far too painfully true. i love it. i'm going to use that elsewhere. we're also agonizingly geographically illiterate.

[roguevalley]

93. Italy has the dumbest political system on earth right now but they

are an astonishingly lavish and beautiful country. SIGH!

[Monk06]

96. Italy is an excellent example of the vitality of the multi party state....

When my SO visited Milan in the mid nineties they
had 17 daily newspapers devoted to various political
parties and causes.

In North America you're lucky if their are two dailies
in your city. If you live in Canada there is a good chance
either Southam or Black owns both of them plus all the community
news weeklies. That is the situation in Vancouver which is why I
refuse to read our local papers.

[Baby Snooks]

70. At least they have health care...

At least in Italy they have health care for everyone. Unlike our country.

[New Dawn]

72. They won't be in power after Burluscumi is done running Italy into the ground.

The left will be getting a lot of votes in the next election.

[Monk06]

75. When Berlusconi is done Italy will be at war with Romania or they will have a

civil war with Southern Italy because the Northern
bigots want to avoid responsibility for their Southern
brethren.

Well at least they still grow decent tomatoes.

[LeftishBrit]

89. Yes, but even Harper isn't on the level of Berlusconi...

and a lot of political power in Canada rests with the individual provinces. She could choose one of the more left-wing provinces.

Italy is a volatile country and might change by November of course; but at the moment, they've got a VERY right-wing crook in charge, and the mayor of Rome is essentially neo-fascist.

[cascadiance]

111. But they ARE a minority party in Canada and have to "deal" to do legislation, etc....

Was asking locals here while visiting in Vancouver this week, and they note that unlike our two party system, places like Canada need to cut deals to form coalitions to stay in power. So the conservatives in Canada aren't nearly as brazen in their power mongering as they are in the U.S.

I find it interesting in a number of the TV channels here in the hotel that one would NEVER find in a hotel in the U.S. (BBC 24 hour news and their independent channel that shows CKNW and other very radical programming like speakers talking about Bush crimes, etc.).

We live in such a sheltered environment in the U.S.!

[Darth_Kitten]

79. I've heard she's part italian........

It would be cool to have her here in Canada, though. :)

[LostinVA]

118. She doesn't have to worry about their government

They'll have a completely different government by the time she moves there.

[Luminous Animal]

2. I am seriously considering moving to Barcelona...

if McCain is elected.

[9119495]

26. Me too...just because the wife likes it so much. I'm going in a month

I think I've about had it with this place.

[The Doctor.]

52. Switzerland.

[grace0418]

56. I'd seriously consider moving there either way. I adore Barcelona.

Sigh... :loveya:

[cynatnite]

74. I spent five days in Lloret De Mar some years ago...

Shopped,partied and sunbathed. A great time was had in Barcelona, too.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

83. You guys, do you realize that it's not easy to move to another country

without a specific job waiting for you OR you have enough money to support yourself OR you can get some citizen of that country to marry you?

Sad to say, you can't just up and move to Europe unless you have a job, an independent income, or a Significant Other from the EU.

If you're young, say under 40, you have a chance to emigrate to Canada or Australia, especially if you have skills that their economies need.

[Eurobabe]

85. Our moving expenses alone were close to $20KUSD

From the East Coast to Europe. Thankfully it was company-paid.

[cynatnite]

95. Actually, I don't have any plans to leave the US...

Just commenting on how wonderful Lloret De Mar was.

But if we were to leave, my husband would no problem getting an overseas job and moving wouldn't be all that difficult. We've lived overseas before. My kids and grandkids are here. Staying put.

[Eurobabe]

84. Barcelona is a VERY cool city

Anyone would be happy there. :hi:

It's probably my second fav city in Europe after Prague.

[TommyO]

3. I like Susan, but why, why...

won't she stay here and fight with, and for, the rest of us who can't afford to leave the country?

[John Kerry VonErich]

13. It's a very bad move, especially by famous people...

to say they would leave the country if McCain wins. It fires up the oppositions base. Case in point, in the 2000 election, I can't remember which poll that was, but to my best memory a good 16% of people who voted for Bush did it to chase Alec Baldwin out of the country. Might not be much, but it was a generous percentage in itself.

(corrected name)

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. I'm guessing she thinks we peasants aren't worth her time.

:shrug: And thanks to those tax cuts she received these past 7 years, she has the extra money to make the move. No I am not bitter, much!

[roguevalley]

94. she's a good egg. she won't leave. she's just frustrated right now.

[baby_mouse]

101. Why should she? What's in it for her?

I'm not saying what she's doing is right or wrong, but you can't expect people to just hang around and wait. And you cant expect people to fight, either, if they can get what they want through other means, they might as well go that way instead.

[Ian David]

4. Damn it, Janet!

[The Doctor.]

53. "You're a slut!"

(Sorry, RH flashback.)

[johnnycatt]

62. damn, when was that picture takes, 1985?

[Captain Angry]

5. We hear this crap every 4 years from big name celebrities.

But they never leave.

These people need to do it, or shut up about it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. Pierre Salinger kept his word and moved to France after the 2000 election

[ChazII]

49. The only one who actually

walked his talk.

[Blue_Tires]

11. +1

i remember the alec baldwin one in 2000...RWers had a lot of fun with that...

[lame54]

7. Let's keep this story under wraps...

This could help McCain

:sarcasm:

[Coexist]

8. : ( we already lost Johnny Depp because of Bush.

[Lex]

24. Good for him. I'd move too

I think so anyway, if I didn't have family close that I couldn't stand to leave.

[hopein08]

54. To be fair, he moved to France in late '99 or early '00

before Bush, in other words.

[lonestarnot]

9. And I'm going to Ireland! So there!

[sinkingfeeling]

18. That's where I'd planned on going at retirement in 2010, but with the US dollar to Euro

rate, I can no longer afford it.

[bluestateguy]

12. Did any cowar--, er, people, leave after the 2004 election?

I think this is just blowing smoke.

[blm]

14. Some of us are not fooled.........

FYI.

[KamaAina]

15. I love Susan, but didn't she support N-d-r in 2000?

thereby helping to set the stage for the Bush**co election theft in the first place?

[MuseRider]

16. Is Tim going too?

If not he can come stay with me. :evilgrin:

[sinkingfeeling]

17. She's not alone. I'm out of here as well.

[madrchsod]

19. two conservative countries?

did`t anyone tell her?

[Mudoria]

20. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

[BeHereNow]

29. What a Rush Limbaugh thing to say.

Nice.
I just love it when DU resembles Freeperville.

Can't you take the time to DISCUSS the
post or the views of people who want to leave
the country or is it easier for you to throw out
one smart ass one liners that are now as old as the dinosaurs
on DU?

BHN

[Pastiche423]

30. Susan Sarandon and her partner of twenty plus years

Tim Robbins have been tirelessly, hard working liberal activists since this national nightmare began on December 12, 2000.

I will redirect your comment back to you, an obvious rw winger supporter. EXCEPT, I'd love the door to do permanent damage to your ass.

November 4, 2008 can not get here fast enough.

[vanboggie]

57. That's a familiar phrase

I have been told that many times, but never on DU. Hmmm....

[Eurobabe]

86. What a stupid thing to say

So a person has to remain in the US to 'fight the fight?'

You are obviously so naive. :eyes:

DemocratsAbroad, google it.

[baby_mouse]

102. zzzzzzz OBAMA zzzzzz

zzzzzzz OBAMA zzzzzz

zzzzzzz OBAMA zzzzzz

So that's why you're here, is it?

[eShirl]

21. isn't she the one who said she'd move if * got elected?

I thought it was her but not sure

[Pastiche423]

31. No

[slackmaster]

43. Eddie Vedder and Robert Altman?

http://archive.salon.com/people/feature/2001/01/25/chpshot3/index.html

[scarface2004]

22. i m moving to luxemborg!!

i say goddamn amerika!!!

[PM7nj]

39. Oh! I have always wanted to go there.

My grandmother was from Luxembourg. I would love to go there. From everything I have seen and heard it is a beautiful place.

[Laughing Mirror]

23. Silvio Berlusconi's Italy?

Well if you think the grass would be greener ....

[Beaverhausen]

25. I want to move to Australia

seriously, if McCain wins I don't want to live here anymore. Not sure I'll be able to swing it, but it's a dream.

[BeHereNow]

28. Hi Beaverhausen- Long time no see.

I'll be your neighbor, just over in New Zealand.
Maybe we can do some music festivals together!
BHN:hi:

[TomClash]

27. Gee, thanks Susan

But I'll stay and fight just the same. And, oh by the way, the overwhelming majority of Americans don't have that luxury. :eyes:

Every election year some rich liberal celebrity says they'll move if so and so wins. What crap.

[Pastiche423]

32. Wake the fuck up

Your ignorance of two (Susan and Tim) of the best liberal activists that have been fighting for US for the past eight years is blantant.

[TomClash]

44. That's pretty funny

You might have meant "blatant."

And here's a flash: I've met both of them several times - at liberal activist events.

But I know liberal celebrity bullshit when I hear it.

Go back to sleep.

[Pastiche423]

45. I am wide awake

I know bullshit when I hear it too. And it isn't coming from Susan.

Buh bye

[TomClash]

77. Sure, it's coming from

somewhere you'd find very close and familiar.

So what country are you moving to?

:eyes:

[Snarkturian Clone]

115. ROFL at celebrity worshippers.

:rofl:

[Pastiche423]

117. Care to explain wtf you mean?

[baby_mouse]

103. "Liberal Celebrity Bullshit"

Hm?

[TomClash]

108. It is

Celebrities say they'll move and never follow through. Who would change their vote because of it?

I used the word liberal here because conservative celebrities don't make that threat. But you've pricked my conscience and now that I've read it again, that phrase was probably a poor choice - it sounds freeperish - YIKES! :thumbsdown:

[baby_mouse]

114. Well, okay. NT

[marshall]

34. What about Vietnam?

It's lovely there, especially in the highlands.

[johnnycatt]

60. it's a third world nation...

Where clean drinking water and enclosed sewers are considered luxuries and therefor obviously forbidden by the gov't!

LOL

[marshall]

91. Oh, well if luxuries are what she is after, she might as well stay here.

La Sarandon's money (for both herself and for charity) would go far in Vietnam--and she might find the government over there to be surprisingly to her liking. I spent three months there last year and it was wonderful.

[Rosemary2205]

35. Why wait?

I seriously have to wonder how someone that "accomplished" can be that immature.

[Mountainman]

36. I wish I could go with her. People with money seem to escape the pain of any crisis don't they?

[Ahpook]

37. I like her, and i may be wrong, but..

i can't see anyone as wealthy as her needing to move. There doesn't seem to be much pressure on the wealthy in the States. You can buy your way out of anything.

Maybe she just doesn't like the association that goes along with living here? I can certainly agree with that:(

[PM7nj]

38. Sure she will. nt

I wonder if she knows Italy is falling back into fascism.

[cali]

40. I think it's funny that she lives in New Canaan CT

hardly a progressive neck of the woods.

[FourScore]

41. Can I go too? n/t

[slackmaster]

42. Didn't Alec Baldwin say the same thing about GWB in the 2004 election?

He's still here.

[johnnycatt]

61. Baldwin is an idiot...

I heard the tapes of how he talked to his 11-year old daughter..he's a moron. NMot for what he said, but for voluntarily recording it! if she was as bad a kid as he said she was, then he shoudl have know she would send it straight to the media!..voila, Alec is as dumb as his youngest brother seems to be!

[AP]

80. Dan Savage makes the case for yelling at your kids on This American Life:

Listen to Act III: http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1209

[undeterred]

109. Yup.

Big talker, no action.

[Canuckistanian]

46. I've got my spare bedroom set up for her

My wife need not know about this, OK?

[K8-EEE]

68. LOL!!!

Good one! I don't have a spare bedroom for George Clooney -- guess he'll just have to share with me!

[marmar]

47. I live 20 minutes from the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel and I already know the words to 'O Canada'....

Toronto, here I come if McBraindead wins. Maybe Susan, Tim and I can meet for coffee at Aroma.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. From the pan to the fire.... doesn't she know that Berslusconi

is running an OPENLY fascist state?

For fucks face, the DAUGHTER of Benito is in the government, she is a right wing hack that makes her dad look like a choir boy...

And Berlusconi is up to all the correct code words... can anyone say Phallange? or falangista?

[Monk06]

50. She can move in with Ciccolina. Those two could rip up Italian politics

if they put their heads together.

[Fox Mulder]

55. I would love to move to Europe if McSame gets elected.

But I can't afford to, so I'll be stuck here. x(

[LucyParsons]

58. I moved to the UK in 2000.

Just like I said I would.

Having said that, fuck that. I haven't really respected her since she threw Nader under the bus.

[np33]

105. I've been

wanting to move to Europe since I graduated college but it seems kind of difficult for Americans due to their immigration laws. So any tips on how to move legally? I just can't take anymore of the Rethugs in power.

[LucyParsons]

106. I went there to do an MA

Then went through a SHITLOAD of trouble trying to stay with my British boyfriend, who I refused to marry because I was only 22 at the time (and thank GOD - he turned out to be an asshole later). We finally got a domestic partnership visa for me, but had to prove we'd been living together as if we were married (producing joint account statements, bills, etc.), then two years later do that again, for a total of four years, before I was allowed residency. Meanwhile, it's nigh impossible to get a "real" job because, who wants to hire someone on a temporary visa?

You have to go as a student, marry someone, or be in a VERY high demand job, like possibly nursing. Edited to add: even if you're married, it can take up to 2-3 years to get your marriage visa approved, meanwhile, you can't work.

It's DIFFICULT.

[np33]

110. Thats what I kind of figured

a work visa seems to be ridiculously hard to attain for an American. So basically I need to marry a flithy rich European ;-)

[Swamp Rat]

69. There are a lot of good reasons to move to Italy, but not if she wants to 'flee fascism.'

[GreenTea]

71. I will join her and Tim....Only republican owned electronic voting machines will force an exile!

As in 2004....The republican fascist are relentless when it comes to power, money & global domination. We ALL need to stay on top of it, no one really wants to be forced to leave.

[TaffyMoon]

73. It's Okay - We'll take All Of You.

Party at my place!

[conspirator]

76. Italy. The land of CORRUPTION and MOBSTERS n/t

[AP]

81. But at least the ruling party changes every couple months...

[mmonk]

82. I'll rent her a room until she gets settled.

[AZ Criminal JD]

87. She said the exact same thing in 2004

She knows people will not remember what she said or hold her to it.

[LeftishBrit]

88. I wouldn't recommend Italy politically right now...

right at the moment, that would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

[MilesColtrane]

90. Susan, I volunteer to be your pool boy.

Call me, m'kay?

[Throd]

92. Stuff white people like #75

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/page/3/

[Quantess]

97. Anyone remember the movie "Joe"?

It was made in the early 1970s or late 1960s. Young Susan Sarandon and (also young) Peter Boyle played characters on opposite ends of the political spectrum. I recommend it, if you haven't seen it.

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Peter-Boyle/dp/B00005V9HL

[alarimer]

98. Gee, it must be nice to be rich enough to live where you want.

Why do fucking rich, famous people get to live where ever the hell the want to? And those of us who are desperate to get out can't? Because we are just ordinary folks with nothing special to offer some other country?

[Thothmes]

99. Why should any one care.

[ElkHunter]

100. I respect Susan Sarandan but...

...as a political person she should know that you stay and fight for your ideals and principles regardless of circumstances or the odds against you. Saying that she'll leave the country if McCain is president is both childish and selfish.

[baby_mouse]

104. Off you go, Susan, and have a great time!

You may as well.

[depakid]

112. Seems to me its childish and foolish to deny the path the nation is (and would be taking)

Many wise people left various countries in the 20th century because they had the foresight NOT to be swayed by foolish emotional arguments such as this.

People who have the means AND the courage to recognize what's been happening in the states and leave that behind in order to seek a rational life in another country should be applauded, IMHO.

It's not an easy thing to do.

[edbermac]

107. If McCain is elected, I will move to Italy or Canada with Susan Sarandon.

Or Outer Mongolia for that matter. Are you kidding me?

[Dreamer Tatum]

113. As long as she stays gone, fine

"Screw this, I'm leaving" is a childish argument, especially for someone who is filthy rich and who can't relate to
what marginalized people have to go through.

I don't really care how liberal she is. Look at her passport: I'm willing to bet it has stamps from scores of different
countries that she can afford to visit any time it strikes her fancy. If her day-to-day existence is that fungible across
nations, then by definition she can't truly relate to people who stay here not because they HAVE to, or because they WANT to,
but because they can't possibly conceive of living anywhere else.

"I have faith in the American people." What an elitist sack of shit thing to say. I'm sure we'll all band together to
justify her confidence in the little people, so she can have a sumptuous life HERE instead of in Italy or Canada.

[Snarkturian Clone]

116. Bullshit. She won't do it.

Just trying to get attention. Stupid celebutards.