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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:11 PM
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Why is the MSM unable to speak of the elephant in the room?
Edited on Fri May-30-08 01:12 PM by elias7
In any sensible reality, Scott McClellan's words, if spoken in front of a grand jury, would be ample evidence to indict Bush, Cheney et al for treason for lying to American public in our run-up to the Iraq war, for outing a covert operative, and possibly a few other things.

Yet no mainstream media story is running with the real scoop; rather there is ridiculous dancing about the peripheral aspects of this monumental event.

MSM Guys: The story is TREASON!!!! Start doing your job! :banghead:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:12 PM
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Good point!
Need to e-mail Keith and Jack Cafferty.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:12 PM
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1. For the same reason fish don't talk about water
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:13 PM
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2. In most trials I've ever heard of
one person's testimony isn't enough for a conviction.



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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:33 PM
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9. well, we have Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill and a few others
as well.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:38 PM
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12. But that isn't what the OP said, is it?
In any sensible reality, Scott McClellan's words, if spoken in front of a grand jury, would be ample evidence to indict Bush, Cheney et al for treason for lying to American public in our run-up to the Iraq war, for outing a covert operative, and possibly a few other things.


(My emphasis.)



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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:06 PM
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14. I guess I was confused?
You had said you need more than 1 person's testimony in a trial, and I was responding by saying you could then add Clarke, O'Neill and others.
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:17 PM
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16. your point is taken
I did say indict, not convict (though I imagine you don't indict without a near certainty of conviction). Perhaps I should have said "ample evidence to consider indictment". The point is still the same, however. There is enough in the public domain to convene a grand jury. SM's testimony alone is thoroughly damning.

What's confounding me is that treason is THE story. Not whether SM is a patriot or a weasel, or that SM is coming clean, or any other of the red herrings that are being published in the MSM.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:32 PM
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19. You did say 'indict;' my mistake
And I certainly agree that there's more than enough evidence out there for multiple indictments, if not a few convictions.

But I — a former newspaper editor, for the sake of full disclosure — don't believe "treason is THE story." Rather, I believe the story is the ramifications of McClellan's book, particularly in conjunction with other evidence.

There should be in-depth analyses of all evidence to make a firm case for (or against) indictments. That is the news media's role, in which they've been grossly negligent.



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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:13 PM
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3. they are complicit. Might have to go to jail or local tv and give up their cottages in the Hamptons
or Nantucket, whatever...

They are overprivileged corporate goons who only think about their own situations. Of course they are going to cover up and ignore the IMPORTANT story, that is what they are paid millions to do!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:32 PM
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18. FYI: Most reporters earn an average of $30,000 a year.
I know you're talking of the TV talking heads, but I wanted to make sure that most people here were aware that reporting - at least on a local level - does not earn you the kind of money needed for a cottage in the Hamptons.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:37 PM
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20. I made a couple thousand less than that
as city editor of a small-town daily. At a major metro paper, I could've expected to have made perhaps $50,000 in the same role.



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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:14 PM
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4. You are absolutely correct.
It is like everyone is afraid to say outloud what we all know. Bush, Cheney, Rice and others in the administration committed treason.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:08 PM
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15. because they will be viewed as accomplices to crimes that
have been committed.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:58 PM
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22. I'd say they're just continuing their previous function, really.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 02:59 PM by Marr
Even in the corporate media, there were people who didn't instinctively defend this corrupt administration. They were all weeded out.

These people still have their jobs because of their ability to *not see* these things.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:14 PM
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5. Um, because they would be kind of, like, ACCESSORIES to treason?
Unless, of course, they could prove a conspiracy on Bush's part to coerce them into standing down...

:evilgrin:
rocknation
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:18 PM
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6. K&R.
You are absolutely right.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:21 PM
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7. Denial Denial Denial
This is like the friend or relative who has a drug or alcohol problem...they will deny they have a problem and try either to ignore it or those who say there's a problem. It isn't until they hit bottom that there's a reluctant moment of truth...and some never even reach that point.

The corporate media has long gone unchallenged in many ways...ownership and content and still live in the beltway bubble. What you or I have to say means nothing cause we're not at the drinkie-drinkie parties, we can't give "access" or play "source"...we're just rabble. How dare us to question their "journalistic integrity"...or Snotty for that matter. He played them then and many feel he's doing the same now...a reason, IMHO, he is getting such a rough ride.

For many of these corportists, they have been doing their job. You and I don't sign their paycheck...Joseph Alburton, Rupert Murdoch and other industrialists do. The question that needs to be asked is who our corporate media really serves...that's where the accountability begins.

Also, remember that the corporate media is loaded with lots of egos...its easier to dismiss those who aren't one of them or ignore those inside their club who aren't on the hustle to build resumes, careers and bank accounts.

Cheers...
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:32 PM
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8. How about let's ask them. ATTENTION EVERYONE...
Who has a good list of media contact phone numbers and emails? I had it on another computer but that one went belly-up.

Once we get that list and it is posted here, everyone join me in SHOVING THIS SHIT DOWN THEIR THROATS! LET'S MEDIA BLAST IT! LET'S BLOG IT! PUBLICIZE IT! PROMOTE IT! SPREAD THE WORD TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY!

Er...ahem...anyone have those addys?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:35 PM
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Because they're the elephant's tail
and when the brain;such as it is, tells the tail to swish flies away, that's what it does.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:35 PM
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10. To hell with the MSM....why isnt congress bringing charges of
treason??
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:37 PM
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11. What gets me is how all the talking heads are questioning .....
their own role in the run-up to the Iraqi war .... some asking if they pushed hard enough questions, others defending their role. etc... etc...

And here they are with evidence of TREASON as plain as day stated by Scottie. Yet no mention of it by these same talking heads. Comical if it wasn't so ironic.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:43 PM
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13. Haven't you heard? Treason is off the table.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:29 PM
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17. You don't seem to understand. The MSM needs to be talking about
the new "pastor problems" of Sen. Obama. THAT'S what's important!! :sarcasm: K&R
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:19 PM
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27. Not one word about the DSM.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:44 PM
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21. They're busy slip sliding
in the mud pit they've created with their words and 'equal time for both sides' BS instead of looking at CONTENT.

They sure make getting dirty look like fun, don't they? Ha ha, laugh and slap each other on the back. Have another cocktail (maybe with Mrs. Greenspan, hee hee). Until you're no more informed than they want you to be and so sick of the stupid that you give up.

But then, that's what they're paid to do these days.

That's why I and you and lots of other people would rather spend our time reading things on this machine instead of listening to them yammer on. I have hope that's why we're seeing close races in places we never expected to four years ago (yippee!)

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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:33 PM
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23. They ARE doing their jobs; it's just that they're no longer in the news business...
American corporate mass media has been out of the news and information business since about 1981 and the coming of Saint Raygun.

It's now in the marketing and PR business and its main client is the Bush administration, along with the seamy collection of war profiteers, oil execs, Wall St. thieves, insurance industry parasites, private armies and the rest of the worst humanity has to offer.

The past seven-plus years have been the great coming-out party, celebrating the consummation of the polygamous marriage between the landed gentry, patrician elites with roots in gilded age, corporate megazillionaires, the GOP and its most vile manifestation, the PNAC/AEI neocons, and their personal gatekeepers occupying senior editorial positions at all -- ALL -- conventional mass media outlets.

The free press, a once-proud and important institution, finally dumped all pretense of practicing journalism and dove head-first into a frenzied race for the bottom. They deliver their clients' messages to the tiny brained bigots, racist hypocrites, generic dumbshits, phony patriots, mean-spirited assholes and the 17 idiots who still self-identify as republicans, which seems to be the only demographic left that can stand to listen to Brian Williams more than once per lifetime.

Here's a good chart showing who owns what in the US megamedia biz.

So life is great for the generic US nitwit who's obsessed with following up on all those fascinating revelations they saw on the tabloid and magazine racks at the supermarket. But it doesn't do much to upgrade the national marketplace of ideas.

These are the simplistic, generic and utterly ridiculous messages people eventually internalize if they depend on CNN/Fux/GE$NBC/The Mouse Network/CBS, corporate-owned newspapers or the putrid, toxic swamp of wingnut talk radio as their sole or main source of "information."

Taxes on the rich are killing our competitiveness. They hate us for our freedoms. This is the land of equal opportunity for all. Free trade is an economic godsend. Guns don't kill people. The US is a Christian country, founded on biblical principles. The criminal justice system protects the powerless from the powerful. Elections aren't stolen in America. TV news tells the truth. America always acts internationally out of benign motives. The surge is working. Gay marriage is destroying the family. The war on terror is making us safer. The bible is the literal word of god. 9/11 was an OBL/Al Qaeda production and happened exactly as the official conspiracy theory says it did. Saddam helped finance OBL and 9/11. The policeman is our friend. The liberal media is poisoning this country with secular humanist lies. Brown people are disposable. Global climate change is a leftist fantasy. Evolution is just another creation myth. Socialized medicine is evil. Capitalism lifts all boats. The rich are rich because they're morally and intellectually superior.


So that's what they WILL tell you. Here's a quick sample of what they won't.

I picked up this story this morning. It's a little old -- datelined 5/22/08 -- but that shouldn't affect its validity.


USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11

"Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others.

"They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically."

It goes on for quite a while and quotes each of those listed above, along with a couple of others. None seem to feel any need to pull punches about calling this a Cheney false flag operation.

Of course, I have to find this out from the Pakistan Daily, where 9/11 isn't some magical, mystical catalyst for mass insanity and launching wars of acquisition, but rather a spectacular act of terrorism that differs only in scale from the thousands of direct actions that are all too common throughout the Middle East.

And they're quite open to opinions on who these terrorists actually are. The latest evidence seems to suggest they live at 1600 Pennsylvania, which is about where I thought they hung out since the evening of 9/11 when the official conspiracy theory began to smell like ancient halibut.

Here's http://www.daily.pk/world/americas/99-americas/3865-usa-military-officers-challenge-official-account-of-september-11.html">the entire article.

Stunningly, I haven't seen a word about this anywhere in US mass media. Just did another Google search and the cat's still got their tongues.

But that's fine and completely normal because US mass media is about the last place a reasonably inquisitive person would look for useful information about actual events that take place in the US.

Another essay that began life as a one-line quip. Stop me before I type another wor


wp
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:59 PM
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24. They would have to pull their head out of its a** first
Edited on Fri May-30-08 04:00 PM by windoe
to gain perspective. This is not easy, it requires skill and ... nuts

This is the time for truth. It takes bravery and courage to stand up and admit you were wrong, that you went along with the status quo just to survive, but speaking the truth feels so good, is such a relief not to have to lie anymore. The damage is already done, why not just admit the truth, and most importantly, move on so more damage cannot be done in the future!!

This inability to admit wrong is such a disease. oops meant as gen reply
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:02 PM
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25. They cannot do their job because they are accomplices to treason. n/t
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:16 PM
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26. K&R nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:33 PM
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28. Anthrax?
:shrug:
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