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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:09 PM
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Today's DNC Rules Committee Meeting is history in the making
Edited on Sat May-31-08 05:11 PM by ThomWV
And I have to say it is an outstanding - and by that I mean this will be taught in schools - example of democracy in action. It is a stunning display of just how reasonable, rational, and strong our party is. If you have not been watching it since it began this morning I urge you to watch tonight when it will be reshown on Cspan. There are arguments being made that will have you beaming with pride of our Party.

The Republicans could never do what the Democrats are doing today - being open in their decision making process, airing the arguments inpublic. It is wonderful.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:12 PM
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1. nice to hear it!
I'll be sure to take a look!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:12 PM
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2. "It is a stunning display of just how reasonable, rational, and strong our party is"...
Are you serious? Maybe you didn't see Ickes get Wexlered and all the rest.

It's good to watch, but reasonableness and rationality have relatively little to do with it.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:34 PM
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6. You're dam right I'm serious
For the first time in a decade serious and complicated political questions are being addressed in public with rational arguments for both sides being presented by people who aren't just mouthing the words - they are committed to what they say. This is that magical thing they call public debate and if you do not appreciate it when you see it then I feel sorry for you.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:59 PM
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10. the guy that spoke after Ickes was great.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:13 PM
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3. Yes. . . watched parts of it --- good airing though I wasn't able to watch it all completely ---
Edited on Sat May-31-08 05:14 PM by defendandprotect
agree on the OPENNESS of showing all this ---

I couldn't keep track of the arguments, however . . .

Hope to catch it again later tonight ---


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:14 PM
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4. It's on again right now --- 6pm --- C-SPAN --- from today ---
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:17 PM
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5. I agree Thom.
"example of democracy in action. It is a stunning display of just how reasonable, rational, and strong our party is."

I am proud of our Party today. I hope we'll reach a reasonable solution to a complex problem. :hi:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:09 PM
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7. Bad news, Thom...
Edited on Sat May-31-08 06:10 PM by derby378
Harold Ickes just declared at the Rules and Bylaws Committee: "Mrs. Clinton has asked me to reserve her right to take this to the Credentials Committee."

And Clinton's peanut gallery is chanting "Denver! Denver! Denver!"

So there you have it. We are in deep, deep trouble. And Hillary may have handed the election to McCain.

Enjoy the glowing crater in what used to be Tehran.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:44 PM
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8. I agree. And I think this entire primary race, warts and all, has been WONDERFUL.
Maybe it's because my least-favorite candidate (Hillary Clinton) ultimately lost, in spite of all her early advantages--but I don't think it's just that. I was saying, circa February, that, even if Obama lost the nomination, the fact that there WAS a meaningful contest, involving real issues (war, NAFTA, who runs the party, etc.), and the fact of the upsurge in citizen activism that Obama inspired, were great benefits to our democracy, which seemed to be drawing its last breath, before Obama came along. And it was the CAUCUSES that did it--breathed new life into our democracy! People hungry to participate. People CARING. Thousands of them, flooding the caucuses in order to be heard--so that there were not enough chairs, and lines out of the door, and a bit of confusion as ordinary people took up the nominating process, and had to quickly learn how to speak up for their candidate and hold fair votes. I had been part of the election reform movement, and hadn't paid much attention to the design of the primaries. Little did I know how important it would be to have nomination MEETINGS that people could attend--the caucuses--where people could express their discontent with the frontrunner (mostly on the war, I think), and rally behind an insurgent campaign, and have this occur in a venue in which the votes were NOT COUNTED BY DIEBOLD AND BRETHREN.

The caucuses were a failsafe against the Diebold & co.'s non-transparent vote counting, and against big money picking the nominee for us. They made an insurgent campaign possible.

All of this would have been true and positive even if Obama had lost. And now that he's won it, I think kudos are also due to Clinton, who provided us the great service of knockdown dragout political brawl, which has produced a fully tested, fully vetted candidate, Obama, who now has the national political experience that he lacked in the beginning, and who is clearly the Peoples' choice because he was against the Iraq war, and also due to personal qualities--steady on his feet, unflappable, great speaker--and organizational genius (as someone pointed out, he must have read "The Art of War"--he exploited every oversight of his opponents, the "unimportant" states, the million small donors, the caucuses, the aroused citizenry, the massive discontent in the country).

It was a REAL contest. None of this airbrushed shit we're been getting from corporate TV since Reagan. A REAL squabble between the grass roots and the party establishment, over the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and the country.

And now, as Clinton still tries to maneuver these lawless state party establishments in FLA and MI to her advantage, we see it all on TV! No more backroom deals! It's all out there! Well, there's probably quite a lot of backroom stuff going on, but still--how often do we get to see anything REAL on TV in the political life of this country?

I don't want Clinton to "take it to the convention." I hope she loses this fight as well. But mainly because there are only eight weeks between the convention and the General Election. If that were not the case, I would LOVE to see a REAL convention, where the matter of who is going to control this party, and Democratic Party leaders' complicity in the war (and their complicity on corporate-run "trade secret" vote counting, and everything else) was fought out in public, for all to see. But Obama needs more than eight weeks to create the landslide that he deserves--and that all us--the SEVENTY PERCENT of the American people who oppose this war--deserve. Once again he has big handicaps--among them, the war profiteering corporate 'news' monopolies, and Diebold & brethren still 'counting' all the votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code. He needs a landslide just to win.

So it needs to be over, for that reason. But, wow, it has been great! All of it--the good and the bad! It will go down in the history books as the re-birth of American democracy. It will be up there with the Lincoln-Douglas debates as an ikon of American political life. The first major woman candidate for president and the first major black candidate for president, in a neck and neck battle for the nomination, all across America, with impassioned constituencies on both sides, and one of the biggest increases in voter registrations in history, and one of the most dramatic increases in citizen participation that we have seen in our lifetimes!

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morningglory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:17 PM
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9. Obama-inspired, but *bush-caused. If he had won as it seems, or stole the elections
and governed as a "compassionate conservative" (Hahahahahaha!!) we would be saying "He's not been all that bad..." But Jesus Christ on a cracker, I think he has ushered in the Dem century, or decade, or something.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:16 PM
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11. This is a preview of what we can expect next January
It's been 8 years since I have seen democracy in action. I'll be glad to see it restored.
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:03 PM
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12. I Loved It--What an Atmosphere!
This was fabulous, I loved it--it felt, for the first time for many years, like a big, huge Democratic Party, like the whole country is Democratic again. Very well-run meeting/hearing, by James Roosevelt and Alexis Herman. I really felt like I was getting the explanations for why these things happened, and that all sides were being allowed to talk, right out there in the open, like before the current era! It was great. The only thing I couldn't stand was the sound of Wexler's loud, screaming, yelling voice--God, what a torment.

I loved hearing our Michigan group explaining things. The situation of Michigan and Florida are not the same, of course--Michigan deliberately broke the rules, to try to get some action on breaking up and rearranging the entire Primary calendar. Didn't work, but that was why. They want a State at the beginning of the campaign, where it might influence the selection, with the problems of Michigan: large, manufacturing-union-based jobs, being outsourced; large, poor urban slum areas; farms; losing population because of worsening economy, etc. The only thing I was disappointed by was David Bonior, who either knowingly lied, or is really stupid. Bonior claimed that Hillary Clinton and Uncommitted were the only choices--false. Dodd and Gravel were on the ballot, and Dennis Kucinich actually came to Michigan and campaigned, violating all rules. I taped local news coverage of Kucinich going to Livonia, near Detroit, because I thought it was still exciting even though I had decided not to vote, because of the rules violation. Everybody in Michigan knew that voting "Uncommitted" was a vote for Obama or Edwards, and equally a vote against Clinton. There was no feeling that Obama and Edwards were "not on the ballot"--they were "Uncommitted" under these circumstances.

During the morning/afternoon live coverage on C-SPAN, there were call-in segments a few times. One was from a Republican, which made me want to skip it and not listen. The caller, male, said that this whole meeting "sounded like democracy in action," which was one of the best quotes I heard. It was a wonderful meeting, very well-run (except for the clueless assholes chanting and yelling at the end; I don't even know what they were for/against), and made me love our great Democratic Party again.
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