If Nancy Pelosi is a war criminal, so is Chris Dodd

[cali]

and John Kerry and Joe Biden and dozens of other dems. I'm not jumping on the Pelosi is a war criminal who's colluding with bushco bandwagon. It smells like a witch hunt to me.

Pelosi didn't vote for the war. The other three I named did. And yet, many DUers are insisting that she's a war criminal who's colluded with bushco. Funny, they don't provide an ort of evidence. I'm no Pelosi fan. I think she's been a disappointment, but a war criminal. Oh, fucking please. No one knows what she was briefed on or what she said in briefings.

Some folks here seem to think that any dem in Congress who doesn't support impeachment is colluding with bushco and is thus a war criminal. What simplistic codswallop. By that "standard", Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders are war criminals.

Spare me from that bullshit.

[DutchLiberal]

1. Any Dem who doesn't support impeachment, is *enabling* Bush & Co.

[cali]

3. I'm sorry, that's merely YOUR opinion. It is not a fact.

I'm pro-impeachment but not so dogmatic that I can't accept that people hold different opinions from mine. And to accuse Feingold or Sanders or others who have staunchly opposed bushco of enabling him, is a stinking pile of shit. pure and simple.

[DutchLiberal]

5. Opposing Bush = Supporting impeachment. Opposing impeachment = ...

Well, you fill it in for yourself. You can't be "pro-impeachment" but then not really care whether or not your elected officials are.

[cali]

7. simple is as simple does

carry on with it. Oh, and stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say I didn't care that my elected officials don't support impeachment. I said I don't consider my reps- Pat Leahy, Bernie Sanders or Peter Welch- to be in collusion with bushco.

[DutchLiberal]

8. There's nothing complicated about supporting impeachment.

Anybody who says there is, like you, is talking nonsense. Do you do it to make Obama look better, since he too doesn't support holding war criminals accountable?

[DS1]

2. Only a simplistic codswalloper would leave Cookie Monster out of that list

[SPKrazy]

11. yeah, what about that cookie monster, he's a freaking war criminal if I ever saw one

thinking the war will pay for itself in cookies :eyes:






:rofl:

[DS1]

13. When that guy talks to adult magazines, he really lays it all out as he sees it

[SPKrazy]

15. That rat bastid, ANWR too?

:grr:

he is a war criminal and a freeper eco assassin!

:crazy:

[DS1]

17. It never stops with this guy

[SPKrazy]

19. The nerve of that cookie monster, aborto-murderers

what will he say next





ass fuckers quarterly :spray: :rofl:

[DS1]

20. Can't top that magazine name, so I'll stop

:7

[AlCzervik]

21. i hope the next time someone comes to my door selling magazine subscriptions they have that one

if not i'm going to request it.

"Ass fuckers quarterly, ask for it by name."

[DS1]

25. You should hear him on gun rights

[Pierre.Suave]

24. Their subscriptions bonuses are the shit...

:rofl:

[Pierre.Suave]

23. Cookie monstyer is a war enabling loser

All he cares about are cookies, he takes handouts form the cookie lobby.

Anyone who cant see that is probably living in a trash can on sesame street...

[DS1]

27. ahahhahah

so sums it up well :D

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

4. More unabashed flame bait from Cali? What a shocking surprise.

[cali]

6. really? it's flamebait? yeah, any opinion that doesn't jibe with yours

is flamebait. How predictable of you, dear mr jefferson.

[gateley]

9. I think the references are that

Pelosi was part of a group who met on waterboarding, and okayed it. I THINK that's what people are referring to.

[Blarch]

10. She declared Bush innocent...

before she saw any evidence ..no fact finding...no hearings ...NOTHING.

Innocent if torture, secret prisons, wiretapping, ect...

Show me where Feingold, Sanders, Kerry ..ect.. voted for that ?

It's not about the Iraq war vote genius.

For gods sake, wake the fuck up already.

[PeaceNikki]

12. Feingold, Sanders & Kerry haven't voted on shit (impeachment) They're Senators

They don't vote until after Congress votes to impeach and all of the evidence is presented. Feingold has has that he does NOT support an impeachment effort.

http://feingold.senate.gov/opinion/07/20070616blog.htm

Obama has said the same.

[seemslikeadream]

14. She was briefed on the torture

that's her crime, she is complicite and has to step down she has no constitutional authority over if or when there are impeachment hearings

[lonestarnot]

16. And you KNOW what I think.

:thumbsdown:

[orleans]

18. apparently you didn't get the memo?

besides pelosi and jane harman the others complicit in war crimes are:
Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), former Sen. John Rockefeller IV (D-WV), former Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KN).

Secretly briefed, Pelosi did not object to waterboarding in 2002
John Byrne
Published: Sunday December 9, 2007
Pelosi would later boot sole objector to program from chance to chair Intelligence Committee

Two senior Republicans and Democrats in Congress -- including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- were briefing on the CIA's program to use waterboarding on terror suspects in September 2002 and did not object, according to Sunday's Washington Post.

In the long-ranging article, which seemingly takes the lawmakers and the Bush Administration to task by discussing the practice's emergence in Nazi Germany and other totalitarian states, a Pelosi aide said the Speaker remembered discussion of "enhanced" interrogation techniques and "acknowledged that Pelosi did not raise objections at the time."

"In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody," the Post wrote. "For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk."

"Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill," the Post added. "But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said."

Democrats have since been vehement critics of the practice, piggybacking on public outrage to a practice many have described as torture -- including 2008 Republican presidential candidate John McCain (R-AZ) who was tortured in the Vietnam War.

Only Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) -- then the second-ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee who would supplant Pelosi in 2003 -- formally objected. Harman, who was set to lead the House Intelligence Committee when the Democrats retook the chamber in 2006, was pushed aside by Pelosi when she took over as Speaker, in what was seen as an element of personal rivalry.

"Harman, who replaced Pelosi as the committee's top Democrat in January 2003, disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program," the Post notes. "Harman said she had been prevented from publicly discussing the letter or the CIA's program because of strict rules of secrecy."

"When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath -- one of secrecy," she said. "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."

None of the other lawmakers briefed raised formal objections. Those lawmakers included former Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), former Sen. John Rockefeller IV (D-WV), former Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KN).

"Individual lawmakers' recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support," the Post added. 'Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing,' said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. 'And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement.'"
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Pelosi_did_not_object_to_waterboarding_1209.html

shame on all of them

she needs to be removed from her post of blackmailing/threatening other dems so they don't begin impeachment hearings. pelosi just doesn't want the rest of the country seeing her dirty underware.

[DS1]

22. Yo, we just jacked your shit, yo

[Sheets of Easter]

26. ...

:rofl: