Teens are getting psyched for OBAMA.

[greenbriar]

Daughter's summer school Government class (she is taking it early so she can graduate one year early)
looked up the issues on the candidates today. They were to pick 3 issues that they were most concerned with.


she said after she got to the issues on Obamas website, she really likes his policies on the war in Iraq, Education and the economy.



but she said most of her class had a tough time navigating Obamas website because of the DONATIOn

and she said her classmates kind of complained about that being the first thing on the page..



Being the daughter of a DUer she was able to calmly explain that the donations were in fact for the victims of the flooding in Iowa and the rest of the mid west and also for ways to help.


she went on to inform them that Obama was filling sandbags to help and that McNasty was offering "talk" and that our "esteemed leader" was having tea and crumpets with the queen and that we would be seeing photo opps later.
the consensus of the class (all 16-18) is that McNasty is too old.




she is only 17 and will be too young to vote this November, but says she will definately vote Obama for his second term.

she also commented that McNasty's "promises" were really vague




She does think that Obama is promising too much and she doesn't think that he will have enough time to do all that he wants to do.





Daymn she is one bright cookie!!!

[moreno]

1. Teens are all talk but no action

The ones old enough to vote, will not show up.

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[Chovexani]

8. Trolls sometimes bring up good points in the midst of poo flinging

Though it could have been stated better, obviously.

I'm glad your daughter's engaged by the process now. That's cool, and always a good thing. The problem occurs when teens (or hell, people of any age) jump on cults of personality or develop a gang mentality (tm Chris Rock) and mistake that for real political involvement. Not saying your daughter is, just making an observation.

Excitement doesn't always translate into positive action, and therein lies the rub. I worry that a lot of the kids like her may end up like me, a teen engaged by President Clinton in the '90s, who grew up into a cynical, (dare I say?) "bitter" young woman in 2008 once she figured out how the game is rigged.

Ultimately it's up to all of us to make sure that doesn't happen. I have no doubt with your parenting skills that you will, at least with your kid. It's society I'm more worried about.

[moreno]

11. Judge me base on a number of post?

Teens don't vote in large numbers relative to turning an election.
Those are facts. I'm not making it up.

[Chovexani]

16. Lurk moar.

That's generally how message boards work.

[moreno]

26. how many post then....

How many before i'm legitimate. Whats the magic number?

[pt22]

32. About three if you agree with everyone.

:D

[Posteritatis]

36. 1000, typically

Anyone who has less than that tends to be either quietly or explicitly regarded as nothing more than a troll, freeper, etc. It's an idiotic and childish attitude, but it's there nonetheless.

As to your original post, you're right - by and large the 18-24 demographic sucks like a Microsoft blowdryer politically. In Canada their turnout rate is about one in five. That's a real problem, but I don't think it's a reason to sneer at the ones who actually do seem to be doing something. Most of the nonvoters I know/knew around that age were proud of how engaged they weren't; the ones who would be willing to argue with others, as in the case of the kid mentioned in the OP, aren't the ones I'm worried about.

[moreno]

38. Well I should reach that pretty quickly....

:)

[unpossibles]

50. here's a hint

your profile had no information on it earlier, and you automatically assumed two very combative stances, both of which are common allegations from the right - that young people are too lazy to vote and that Democrats are "emotional" with the rather obvious but unstated assumption being that the Republicans are "rational" by comparison.

Secondly, although you probably see yourself as a master debater, you have yet to provide any sort of case, examples, or links to any of your posts. You don't even really define your terms, just sort of hit and run instead.

So you allegedly cannot figure out why people would take umbrage with your tone or your statements, even going so far as to say that Democrats will start a riot because we are so emotional, and that Obama cheated to get the nomination.

I think you know quite well how you'd be received, and frankly good job. I hope you feel better by defending possible election fraud and civil unrest. The funniest part is that you have absolutely no ground to defend your own candidate, so you tear us down instead. You laugh at people for being emotional when in fact the vast majority of the country is sick and tired of the people in charge breaking laws, lying to us, killing our children/spouses/parents in unnecessary wars, and destroying our rights. If this administration does NOT make you emotional, does not make you weep for what they have done to the country which we both call home, then perhaps you should reevaluate your positions.

I'm not mad, and I am not trying to be a jerk, I just think you are a bit misguided and misinformed. Why not look into the things we've discussed and see if there is any truth to them, that the companies which control the vote counting machines are heavily biased? Why not be an adult and consider that perhaps we're being honest with you? You claim that being objective is looking at both sides, well frankly that does not mean that both sides are of equal merit, or that both sides are equally guilty of anything.

If you honestly want to discuss this, why not be a bit more polite and ask people for information instead of being antagonistic then acting defensive and hurt when people call you out on it?

[moreno]

56. First of all

You don't know who i'm voting for and you would be surprised if I told you.
Second you don't know my political affiliation.
Just because I have an alternative perspective on this site doesn't mean i'm right wing.

Nobody showed any evidence that the voting machines are "heavily" biased. What does that mean?
For every 1 democratic vote the machine does 3 republican votes?

Even if they were heavily biased, why did the dems lose democratic states controlled by democrats.
If they were won, Ohio would never have had been an issue. Its a scapegoat argument.

What signs show I'm hurt or defensive? I have a very thick skin...trust me. I'm a debater and I debate on many sites....this is really not a debate site so I'm just responding to posts. I don't get emotional over political issues. I have personal standards that transcends political loyalty.

I also never posted the democrats will start a riot...somebody else posted that. I actually posted that I see no evidence that it will but we can only look at the past to help determine the future. A lot of people were angry when Hillary lost and it takes one incident to start a riot. Its plausible that one could happen. It all depends.

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[pt22]

15. It's common knowledge that fewer than half of 18 to 25 year olds vote.

surely you don't doubt that...?

[moreno]

24. Naturally

Given the fact that Americans in general average 50% voter turnout for registered voters.

Given the fact that ages 18-24 have the worst voter turnout
given the fact that ages 55 and above have the highest voter turnout.

Those are the facts.

[Ishoutandscream2]

6. Oh, come on. I have been working with teens for 22 years

And trust me, these kids have a lot more going for them than my age group when we were that age. I'm really proud of the kids I work with, and I'm very excited about their potential to be fantastic adults.

[moreno]

12. I never said they didn't

I said they do not show up to vote. They are not a major force in the election process.
Don't take it personal.

[King Bacon Fat]

7. I registered to vote in December 1999.

I voted for the first time in June 2000, two days after my 18th birthday. In Michigan, at least then, you could register to vote at 17 1/2.

Yes, some young people can be apathetic, but to group all young people together as apathetic is just wrong.

[Indenturedebtor]

9. Well I for one voted in my first presser election when I was 18

The worse things get, the more the youth will vote. Things weren't even that bad then, as far as I knew, but I cared about the environment so I kicked my 2 cents in for Gore.

The times they are a changin friend. My generation knows they're fucked.

[unpossibles]

10. your optimism is quite telling

thanks for the concern and welcome to DU!

[moreno]

13. Glad to be here...but the facts are the facts

They don't vote in the numbers one would expect them to do.
Their enthusiasm doesn't match their turnout.

[unpossibles]

14. that may be, but that doesn't mean they don't vote at all

plus, the past election, a lot of younger voters in Ohio had their voter registration denied or otherwise proclaimed "provisional" because of highjinks from the Blackwell camp: the wrong paper weight, purging the voter rolls of renters who move a lot, etc.

[moreno]

18. let me put a disclaimer out there...."Not all"

I think dwelling on what you think may have happen in Ohio is not worth the energy and that is a different discussion.
I'm stating the fact that teens do no show up to vote in great numbers. Many like to protest and show their activism but
they don't pull the lever to cast their vote. That is why you seldom see them as part of the demographics during election night
when they talk about who voted during the exit polling on CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc.

[unpossibles]

20. my point, which you are missing is that how do we know if their votes were even counted accurately?

a lot of provisional ballots don't get counted, at least not right away. Also, the 'weighted' exit polls had several major discrepancies in them last time.

I think my point stands. I know a lot of young people, and trust me: if they have the guts and energy to go protest, they vote. Many are quite passionate about things, and getting more so because they are sick of the status quo. Sure, some don't, but I suspect the numbers are not very accurate for several reasons.

[moreno]

21. State your case....

...because providing anecdotes does not prove that there are high turnouts because there are not from the young people.
I'm not denying their passion, i'm just saying they don't vote in the numbers that impact elections.

[unpossibles]

22. in a democracy, every vote impacts an election

I did not say "high turnouts," I just said that it's not fair to say "they don't vote."

I did state my case: many renters, which includes college students, obviously, were declared "provisional" in Ohio in 2004. Similarly, many provisional votes did not get counted. Ergo, it's highly likely that many student votes were not counted.

Furthermore, the math in the weighted exit poll results did not add up, so I question their validity.

[moreno]

25. Everyone knows that about provisionals

And parents should educate their voting age children voting for the first time about that. Thats an excuse.
Nobody is forcing renters, college students to vote provisional. Thats a choice not a mandate.
Nobody says "all". Its natural to say in a discussion/debate that a certain person(s) or thing doesn't do something if the percentages
are low enough to make that argument. It is for the sake of the discussion. But I know not "all".

[unpossibles]

28. an excuse? please.

First came lawsuits over where provisional ballots could be cast (when poll workers cannot verify a voter’s registration status, he or she can cast a provisional ballot, which will be counted if the voter’s registration is verified). Then came Republican attempts, ultimately successful, to win the right to challenge newly registered voters’ status at the polls.
...
• More than one-quarter of all Ohio voters experienced voting problems, including long lines, registration-status challenges, polling-location changes, difficulties obtaining absentee ballots, unclear rules for provisional ballots, and illegal requests for identification. Nearly a quarter of Ohio voters say their 2004 voting experience made them less confident about the reliability of elections in the state.
• Ohio voters were three times more likely than those in Pennsylvania to have to cast provisional ballots, and nine times more likely than Florida voters. More than a quarter of all first-time-registered voters were made to cast a provisional ballot. Younger voters, home renters, and minorities were much more likely to vote on a provisional ballot. Only 78 percent of provisional votes in the state were counted, and in some counties far fewer.
• Although only a tiny fraction of voters (namely, first-time voters who did not show identification when registering) could legally be asked to show identification, more than a third were forced to do so. Two-thirds of voters under age 30 were made to show identification at the polls, illegally in almost all cas

http://thebostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/documents/04823487.asp

Why were they made to vote provisionally? Because Blackwell decided to purge the voter rolls and forced many to use provisional ballots.

buh-bye.

The ugly, secret shame of American democracy is that 2 million votes are "spoiled" in presidential elections -- tossed away untallied as "unreadable." And the nasty part is that roughly half are cast by African-Americans. To learn of this astonishing Jim Crow thumb on the U.S. electoral scales, you have to hunt through the appendixes of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission report on the Florida 2000 race. The government's demographers concluded that of the 179,855 votes "spoiled" in Florida that year, 54 percent were cast by blacks. All other credible studies tell us that Florida is horribly typical of the nation.

Last Tuesday, in Ohio, Republicans played the spoilage game for all it was worth. Over 93,000 ballots were chucked on the spoilage pile, almost all of them generated by those infernal chad-making punch-card machines.

Whose votes were lost in the chad blizzard? According to a recent ACLU analysis of Ohio's system, votes stolen away by punch-card machine error are "overwhelmingly" found in African-American -- read "Democratic" -- precincts.

2 million votes!

Hmm. I wonder why people feel disenfranchised with our system? I wonder who benefits from that? I wonder why the same people who crow about bringing Democracy to Iraq seem to think we should "just get over it" here?

[moreno]

29. Lets assume thats true

How do you know that the voters were not republicans. You are assuming that every single one of those voters
that had to do a provisional was a Democrat? Am I correct?

[unpossibles]

31. not at all

but the people targeted by Blackwell (a Republican) were lower income renters, which includes many college students and black people, both of which tend toward voting Democratic, especially in Columbus where I used to live in 2004. The part of town I lived in - most of the city in fact - is quite Blue.

Look, I've been voting in every election since I was able to, and I lived near campus, and I saw lines unlike any I had ever seen, and I vote first thing in the morning when there is usually no wait. I saw a TON of young people all day ( the polling location was directly across the street from my house), so you'll have to forgive my skepticism when you say they don't vote. Also, as a musician, I know young(er) people (teens to 30's) from all over the city, and they all had "I voted" stickers on.

Anecdote? Sure.

[moreno]

33. I don't deny the demographics

but again if it is true, it impacted voters of all parties.
To be honest, the Dems should not have had to depend upon Ohio to win in the first place.
There were some states that should have been won by Dems and they did not. I think Ohio is a scapegoat state.

[unpossibles]

34. it was not just Ohio

I used Ohio because I live here and see it first hand. There were reports from all over the country.

If it impacted all parties, then why are so many Republicans and "Libertarians" (I use quotes because most self-proclaimed Libertarians are anything but) so blase about the problems? All I heard whenever I tried to discuss it was "get over it" from the right. You'd think they would care more about democracy by the way they talk.

[moreno]

35. Lets be honest...

if it was the other way around...the Dems would have said just the same....get over it.

That is the nature of the beast. Thats what competition is all about. There has to be a loser.

[unpossibles]

39. I would not have said that

but I actually care more about an honest election than about "my side winning" - frankly, if the person I support has to cheat to win - essentially subverting the will of the people - then I will no longer support him or her. I find it rather sad that so many people feel differently.

[moreno]

41. again, you are assuming hands are clean

I for not one moment would assume the Dems are playing clean.
Just look at the manner in which Hillary and the Obama campaign was playing.
Would you assume they just learned how to cheat or manipulate information or access or play with the voting process?

I think not. Its that the loser cried the loudest. That is why if it was the other way around
we would have heard it from the Republicans.

[unpossibles]

42. why do you assume Obama or Hillary cheated?

Obama ran a pretty clean and well-managed campaign. In fact, that is one of the very things which won me over to him.

If the voting machines were all made by Democratic supporters who promised a victory to the Democrats, and the election boards in several key states were also run by Democrats and then the Republicans lost, AND there were the thousands of complaints we saw in 2004, yes I'd admit that the Democrats were not to be trusted.

Come on. I thought you wanted to be honest.

[moreno]

43. I'm being objective

You are looking through a democratic party eye glass. I'm trying to look at both.

Owners of companies are voters too. So if the owner who has a company that manufactures a voting machine doesn't mean
the machine will tilt to the owners political position. The responsibility is the state to check the reliability of the machine.

Do you know there are complaints every election from both parties....do you realize that?

Obama ran a well-managed campaign...clean is subjective.

[unpossibles]

44. the reliability of the machines? Really?

Like I said a while ago, why don't you spend some time here reading before you insult us?

Many states have rejected those machines because they have been proven to be quite easily hackable.

I'm sorry, but the owners of those machines - which also count the votes, mind you - would be questioned by you if they were Democrats. Are you honestly suggesting that they are incapable of fixing the vote?

Do you also realize that the number of complaints and the severity of issues is not equal? That in 2004, the vast majority of problems favored the Republicans? You don't find that the least bit questionable?

You are not being objective. Frankly, I don't think the election nor its machines should be run by either party.

[moreno]

45. How did I insult you....my goodness

by me disagreeing is insulting....give me a break.

No republican party put out election machines. Please show me where the rupublican party
funded the construction of voting machines so that they can fix the vote.

The hacking of a machine is not an issue of party affiliation its in issue of bad computer programming.

I would question anybody....but the burden is on the state election committee to insure the machines are working properly.

Complaints doesn't mean fact...in means complaints. How many complaints were actually factual. You are complaining i'm insulting you and i'm not. Thats one example.

How am I not being objective...objective is looking at both sides.

Voters and the states need to decide what they want to use for voting.

[unpossibles]

46. how did you insult us?

you figure it out.

Never mind; don't. You won't anyway. I know you won't really look at who makes the voting machines, or who controlled the election process in key states because that's not why you're here. I'm done with you.

Enjoy your "critical thinking" and "objective outlook." Perhaps you need to look at what happened versus "looking at both sides."

[moreno]

49. Well let me show you some democratic voting fraud that is on record

Again, it is not unique to Republicans...it went both ways but you want to see what you want to see.

Remember the incident involving allegations of Democratic operatives slashing the tires of Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee? Here are the actual indictments in the case:

The following is a list of the individuals charged with slashing tires on the morning of November 2, 2004, and their connections to the Democrat campaign in 2004:

Michael J. Pratt

* Paid $7,965.53 by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin in 2004
* Pratt’s father is former Acting Mayor Marvin Pratt, who chaired the Kerry-Edwards campaign in Milwaukee

Sowande Ajumoke Omodunde (a.k.a “Supreme Solar Allah”)

* Paid $6,059.83 by Gwen Moore for Congress and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin in 2004
* Son of U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore (D-WI)

Lewis Gibson Caldwell, III

* Paid $4,639.09 by Gwen Moore for Congress and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin in 2004

Lavelle Mohammad

* Paid $8,858.50 by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and America Coming Together ($966 for canvassing work in June and July) in 2004

Justin J. Howell

* Paid $2,550.29 in 2004 by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin (62)

Here's a list of the other documented charges of voter suppression, violence and intimidation perpetrated by Democrats across the country that are listed in this section of the report, each with brief synopses of the charges as taken from the report:

* Court Issues Injunction Against Democrat Operatives Targeting Ohio Voters With Phone Calls Providing Deceptive Information to Voters

Ohio voters who had identified themselves as Republicans received telephone calls telling them that the election was to be held a day later than Election Day, that their polling locations had been changed and that they could only vote if they brought four separate pieces of identification to the poll. This information was intentionally deceptive and intended to direct voters to a polling place where they would not be able to cast a ballot.

* Court Issues Injunction Against Democratic National Committee Ordering It To Stop Distributing Intimidating Materials To Republican Volunteers In Florida

Individual volunteers who received the letter threatening legal action by the DNC went to court in Seminole County and obtained an injunction against the DNC and the Florida Democratic Party. (80) Seminole Circuit Judge Nancy Alley ordered the DNC, Florida Democratic Party and Democratic Executive Committee of Seminole County to stop “further intimidation, further dissemination of these materials … designed or intended to intimidate or unduly threaten the activities of poll watchers who are duly carrying out their responsibilities” granted under Florida law. The court ruled that the flyer constituted a “misrepresentation of legal rights and obligations.” (81) The DNC sought an emergency appeal of the trial court’s order to the Florida Appeals Court but was rebuffed. (82) (Exhibit I)

* Intimidating And Misleading Phone Calls To GOP Volunteers Made By President Bill Clinton And DNC General Counsel Joe Sandler In Florida

In addition to the intimidating letters sent by the DNC to Republican volunteers, the DNC paid for recorded phone calls to Republican poll observers’ homes in Florida featuring the same message that the court in Seminole County found to be intimidating and misleading.

These phone calls were recorded by former President Bill Clinton and DNC General Counsel Joe Sandler. The call from Sandler said, “Please be advised that any challenge to a voter must be stated in writing, under oath, and that you must have direct and first-hand knowledge of the voter’s ineligibility. Interfering with a citizen’s right to vote is a serious offense and swearing out a false statement is a felony. Violations will be referred to federal and state prosecutors.” The recording finished by noting, “This call is paid for by the Democratic National Committee, www.democrats.org, not authorized by any candidate.” (83) (Exhibit J)

* Court Orders MoveOn.org To Cease Voter Intimidation And Harassment In Ohio

On Election Day, individuals in Franklin County, Ohio, were threatened and harassed at their polling places by agents of MoveOn.org after being asked about their voting preference and revealing their intention to vote Republican. Similar situations are alleged to have occurred elsewhere around the state and prompted a lawsuit filed in the Franklin County Common Pleas Court. Voters were intimidated by MoveOn.org in an attempt to dissuade them from voting for George W. Bush or in an attempt to harass them after they voted. (84) (Exhibit K)

* Ohio Court Ordered Democrat Polling Place Challengers To Remove Deceptive Arm Bands and Badges

On Election Day, several Lucas County voters brought suit against the Lucas County Board of Elections and Democratic challengers in the polling place who were wearing armbands and/or badges identifying them as “Voter Protection Staff,” “Voting Rights Staff,” and other similar terms. The Lucas County Court of Common Pleas granted the temporary restraining order prohibiting the use of such intimidating insignia. (87) (Exhibit L)

* Violence Against Republican Volunteers In Philadelphia On Election Day

One Republican activist, working as a Bush campaign legal volunteer to monitor the vote in Philadelphia, was “cornered in a parking lot by roughly 10 large men, whom the police later identified as ‘union goons.’” The men tried to tip over the minivan the Republican attorneys were sharing, “punching it relentlessly, breaking parts off and failing to drag us out, they chased us in and out of the dense urban traffic.” It took “a frantic 911 call and a police roadblock” to stop the assault, and the GOP volunteers “had to be secreted out of town to safety by a police escort.” (89) (Exhibit M)

[unpossibles]

52. that's a start.

do you have any links?

More than one of those charges I heard the other way around, so I am curious. And for the record, yes I am sure there are some individuals on the Democratic side who used those methods, just as you have to admit that the Republican Secretary of States in Florida and Ohio (as well as several other places) purged thousands if not millions of ballots, as I linked earlier.

[moreno]

54. I'm arguing it goes both ways

I'm not making it out to make people think its one sided.
The loser will always shout the loudest and call foul. Look at the Hillary supporters within the party. This is the natural process of politics. The very charges Hillary supporters were making about Obama supporters are the same charges Democrats said about republicans in 2004...Voter intimidation by Obama's people toward Hillary.

That is a joke and embarrassing.

[stillcool]

57. it is so disingenous...

for you to deny the myriad of problems inherent with our voting systems. The documentation is extensive, but easily over-looked by those who either like the results, or just don't give a shit.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/voterInformation/equipment/VotingSystemReviewFindings/EVERESTtestingReports.aspx

http://brennan.3cdn.net/a56eba8edf74e9e12e_r2m6b86s2.pdf
http://www.votetrustusa.org/pdfs/Diebold%20Folder/uconn-report-os.pdf

http://www.federalelectionreform.com/pdf/Voting%20Systems%20Issue%20Brief.pdf

http://w2.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/infosheets2006/AccuVoteOS.pdf

[Dark]

48. Yeah, it's not like turnout has doubled in the primaries alone.

Oh wait. They http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/02/youth_vote_2008/">have.

[Ishoutandscream2]

4. Slightly overweight, middle-aged, balding white guy getting excited, too

Obama's comments in Philly really fired me up. He's playing to win!

[dragonlady]

17. I hope to get into some high schools to register voters in September

This would make it easy for them to take care of their registration. I plan to make up maps that show the polling place for each ward and tell them where they'll be voting.

[knixphan]

19. pocket constitutions!

Turn the adrenaline into civics - and they'll be fine.

The system was broken from 1980-present. It's about to be fixed once we start getting 'we the people' back into it.

[Mz Pip]

23. I hope so.

Historically, young people aren't all that reliable but I think this year will be different. Obama has tapped into something that really resonates with young people.

My kids are a bit older - 29 & 31, and they have always voted because I call them and remind them about 3 time the week of the election and then again on election day. This year I doubt I will have to send out any reminders. They are both very enthusiastic about Obama. One even got a co worker who voted for Bush twice to support Obama.

Obama also has a huge network for GOTV using internet and cell phones. He's using the technology of young people to his advantage.

McCain admits he doesn't even knowhow to use a computer. Pretty pathetic.

[FirstLight]

27. The Gen Xers and younger crowds have been waiting

for the age-shift in our government.
It is impossible to compare what teen voters have done in the past to what is happening now. WE are seeing in our own lives, energy crisis, wars, food shortages, the floods and more, every day, something that tells us that NOW is the time for us to save the planet and maybe even our democracy...

My son is 16 and would get a fake ID to vote if he could. And I am actually hoping that I CAN hope for a better future this time around. If not, we are all so screwn anyway... our kids will revolt while it all goes up in flames...

[Posteritatis]

37. I reaaaaaaally hope you're right

The turnout among younger voters is sickening, and if something like this gets 'em fired up enough to start turning out in numbers worthy of any kind of respect I'm all for it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

30. We need to get the teens who will be old enough to take the proper steps....

....and make sure they are fully educated so they can properly register and know where the polling places are. In other words, don't fall for the GOP bullshit of smokescreening the vote.

[moediggity]

40. man

thats uber

[proud patriot]

47. I need to make a "congrats grads now register to vote" sign

:)

[VP505]

51. When I was on line at the High School to vote

during the caucus numerous kids walking down the hall said "Vote Obama" or "Obama". It was pretty clear the Obama was the favored candidate among many at that school.

[King Bacon Fat]

53. Who are they going to support?

Someone their parents' age or someone their grandparents' age?

[VP505]

55. At that time they could

have favored just about any of the candidates. There were NO presumptive Candide of any party, but something about Obama seemed to appeal to them and I don't think it was his age as much as his message of change. BTW, Obama is probably older than the parents of most 15/16 year olds.