where did the order to torture come from?

[spanone]

if it didn't come from the white house, we have a rogue military......

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. You know where it came from

you can see it in his face......

[gratuitous]

2. Gee whiz, you expect them to keep track of every little thing?

This was probably one of those "self-writing, self-deleting" orders that nobody wrote, nobody saw, and nobody can find. Happens all the time in the fog of war. Besides, you're supposed to be too busy being wet-your-pants scared to worry about that kind of minutiae.

And we can't really punish the few "bad apples" who tortured because that would send the wrong signal to our enemies. And their superior officers will be let off the hook by their comrades in arms on the court martial panel. And their nominal civilian superiors can't be prosecuted because it would tear the country apart. Try not to be so sensitive, and the fact that your tax dollars are paying for torture won't tear you apart, either. It's not clear whether a lobotomy is actually necessary, but you should take steps to deaden your brain, conscience, heart and soul. Then you'll see it all properly, like our national leaders and their media mouthpieces.

[Disturbed]

3. The push came from Rumsfailed & Busholini signed on.

Rumsfeld Shouldn't be Fired, He Should be Indicted
by Matthew Rothschild

“Secretary Rumsfeld has publicly admitted that . . . he ordered an Iraqi national held in Camp Cropper, a high security detention center in Iraq, to be kept off the prison’s rolls and not presented to the International Committee of the Red Cross,” the report noted. The Geneva Conventions require countries to grant the Red Cross access to all detainees. “

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-24.htm




Further Evidence Rumsfeld Implicated in War Crimes
Please read this important post by Marty Lederman, Army Confirms: Rumsfeld Authorized Criminal Conduct.

Here's a key section, but there's more:
The Army's charges against Jordan reflect the view, undoubtedly correct, that the use of forced nudity or intimidation with dogs against detainees subject to military control constitutes cruelty and maltreatment that Article 93 makes criminal. It doesn't matter whether they are or are not "torture," as such; nor does it matter whether the armed forces should be permitted to use such interrogation techniques: As things currently stand, they are unlawful, as even the Army now acknowledges.

But then how can we account for the actions of the Secretary of Defense and his close aides?

On November 27, 2002, Pentagon General Counsel William Haynes, following discussions with Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, General Myers, and Doug Feith, informed the Secretary of Defense that forced nudity and the use of the fear of dogs to induce stress were lawful techniques, and he recommended that they be approved for use at Guantanamo.

(The lists of techniques to which Haynes was referring can be found in this memorandum.) On December 2, 2002, Secretary Rumsfeld approved those techniques for use at Guantanamo -- and subsequently those techniques were used on detainee Mohammed al-Qahtani.

In other words, the Secretary of Defense authorized criminal conduct.

...

Today's Army charge under UCMJ Article 93 against Lt. Col. Jordan -- for conduct that the SecDef actually authorized as to some detainees -- demonstrates that Rumsfeld approved of, and encouraged, violations of the criminal law.

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2006/04/further_evidence_rumsfeld_implicated_in_war_crimes.html

[Kolesar]

7. It really ain't the place nor time to reel off rhyming diction

It really ain't the place nor time to reel off rhyming diction, but yet we'll write a final rhyme while waiting crucifixion. For we bequeath a parting tip of sound advice for such men who come in transport ships to polish off the Dutchman. If you encounter any Boers, you really must not loot 'em, and if you wish to leave these shores, for pity's sake, don't shoot 'em. Let's toss a bumper down our throat before we pass to Heaven, and toast a trim-set petticoat we leave behind in Devon.

Dedicated to this century's "Scapegoat of the Empire", General Janet Karpinski, US Army, written by the soldier of the Boer War, Harry "Breaker" Morant.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080310/quotes

[Mabus]

4. You might want to check the WH e-mails

D'oh! That's right, they were accidentally erased along with the other e-mails that helped catalog their discussions of this and other nefarious dealings.

Oopsie.



P.S. If you think it's bad now, wait until John "Cindy does Computers" McCain starts pushing buttons.

[DogPoundPup]

5. Didn't you see this latest breaking news? They came directly from the Dept. of InJustice

WASHINGTON — The framework under which detainees were imprisoned for years without charges at Guantanamo and in many cases abused in Afghanistan wasn't the product of American military policy or the fault of a few rogue soldiers.

It was largely the work of five White House, Pentagon and Justice Department lawyers....
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38886.html

[spanone]

thanks, i hadn't seen that!

[spanone]

6. dupe