Shit. Shit. Shit.

[Hissyspit]

Will NO ONE hold these people accountable, for chrissake? For morality's sake? For our place in history and the judgment of future generations' sake?

House Dems May Accept Unsworn Statements from Rove

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3356411

General Accuses WH of War Crimes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3357916

Immunity likely for phone companies in spy bill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3358190

New U.S. Military Contractor Overbilling Scandal in Iraq Looms (KBR)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3357237

...and these are just from TODAY.

[tulsakatz]

if they keep giving in......

...how can they expect him to ever do what they want him to do?

[jgraz]

9. How can anyone still call this "giving in"? It's collaboration, plain and simple.

[Xenotime]

41. Excellent Point

[zonmoy]

60. Yeah it is. now what are we going to do about it.

[jgraz]

67. I honestly have no fucking clue.

I've written, called, donated time and money and gone to protests. I don't know what the next step should be.

[Echo In Light]

84. The most troublesome hurdle lie in actually convincing people they need be held accountable

Many have been culturally induced to immediately dismiss such concerns as revolving around "conspiracy theories." within this mindset, any degree of concern is automatically concern to a fault.

[The Doctor.]

108. THAT is the most succinctly I've ever seen that put. How very articulate.

I might have said 'impressed' or 'programmed', but 'induced' is just perfect.

Another 'point of induction' is the tendency to want to believe that everyone with power is essentially bound by the same ethical guidelines as oneself. Sure, intellectually one might realize that 'all politicians are crooks', but then one disconnects that awareness from the perception, indeed, the need to believe that the safeguards are functioning. The notion that a few individuals would sacrifice the welfare of the nation for profit is just outside of the ethical framework most people can conceive of.

Therefore they literally can't see it happening.

Since you are quite articulate, perhaps you would like to take a stab at project I've decided to have a go at. It's not a long or involved project, in fact it shouldn't take too much time at all. The trick is composition.

If we want solutions to the energy crisis, people need to know exactly why it is that gas prices are so high. As it is something that hits them over the head daily, it's the most likely issue for people to take a real interest in. The problem is, the M$M noise machine is already brainwashing swaths of America. The good news is that the disinformation is very easily debunked. The things that aren't easy are explaining international petroleum trade and market speculation and manipulation in the simplest terms possible (which I'm sure I can do), getting the reader to understand and relate those issues to their daily struggle, explaining just what real solutions the Republicans are blocking in the house and why they are doing it, what one can do to directly address the issue and have an impact, linking the oil companies to the media that lies to them (easy enough), laying it all out in the simplest, most digestible, and overall most poignant language possible, then getting them to want to forward the email to everyone on their contact list out of sheer outrage, and to top it all off; it can't be more than a page long.
After seeing how viral that erroneous email about a 'gas boycott' became, and how many people bought into it and passed it on, I know that if it can be kept simple and short enough, people will pass it around.

Simplifying I can do.
Outrage I can do.

Brevity I have problems with.

You have a talent for it. I believe you could assemble something either on this, or on the issue of impeachment/investigations, that would have a good chance to circulate.

Certainly I'd be open to ideas.

Cheers.

[dglow]

98. Use Article V of the Constuitution

There is an option provided in Article V of the Constitution giving the people the power to send delegates to a national convention to amend the Constitution to stop the abuse of power. Our Congress is in cahoots with the despotic, corporate forces in control of our nation, and will never make the deep reforms required to restore American democracy. Check out the article on Opednews, "How to obtain deep reforms to our politcal system to restore American Democracy." You can even vote on the idea of convening a convention.

[OneGrassRoot]

92. I go so far as to use the word "collusion" ...

col·lu·sion –noun

1. a secret agreement, esp. for fraudulent or treacherous purposes; conspiracy: Some of his employees were acting in collusion to rob him.

2. Law. a secret understanding between two or more persons to gain something illegally, to defraud another of his or her rights, or to appear as adversaries though in agreement: collusion of husband and wife to obtain a divorce.

I agree with the whole accountability issue - it is INFURIATING!!!! We try to teach our kids to be responsible and accountable, yet our own government is the absolute worst in this regard, not to mention the corporatocracy which controls this same government. No accountability whatsoever. The way things are set up, this society punishes the individual, makes him/her accountable (foreclosure issue), yet "bails" out the corporations and execs...forgives their debt.

As for the administration, Congress is allowing crimes to go unpunished, with no accountability.

Which leaves it open for others in government to do the very same thing. If no one is held accountable, what is to prevent others from abusing the system? Nothing.

[jgraz]

102. collaboration - act of cooperating traitorously with an enemy that is occupying your country

Can't get much more precise than that.

[OneGrassRoot]

104. You're absolutely right :)

I often use collaboration when talking about "positive" projects...they collaborated on an album, a book, etc.; I always think of collusion as being underhanded and devious. That's all. :)

[LiberalArkie]

117. BUT BUT remember the AT&T wiretapping everyone. Not much telling what George II has on them

[Hissyspit]

20. "And how will history be bid its due? Not with a whimper but with a sigh."

"This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
And how will history be bid its due? Not with a whimper but with a sigh."

T. S. Eliot 'The Hollow Men'

[Hissyspit]

26. This was yesterday: "Documents confirm U.S. hid detainees from Red Cross"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3357025

The U.S. HID DETAINEES

FROM THE

RED CROSS

The.

Red.

Cross.

[Hissyspit]

48. TELL CONGRESS: Arrest Karl Rove

From Mark Crispin Miller:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3481258&mesg_id=3481258

[Selatius]

1. I think America suffers from a democratic deficit.

A democratic deficit is considered to be occurring when ostensibly democratic organizations or institutions (particularly governments) are seen to be falling short of fulfilling the principles of the parliamentary democracy in their practices or operation where representative and linked parliamentary integrity becomes widely discussed. The first use of the term "democratic deficit" can be found in the german publication JEF Manifesto in 1977.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_deficit

The representatives and senators in Congress do not sufficiently heed the call of the people. I don't even think they are afraid of the people.

[Hissyspit]

8. Interesting, Selatius. Rational analysis of the seemingly insane.

I can't get away from the idea that the people are part of the problem, too. Although, the percentage of Americans who say we are going in the wrong direction is up around 89% now.

November 4, 2008 will be telling.

[TheWatcher]

74. America is also suffering from Terminal Apathy, Battered Person's Syndrome, Superior Indifference,

Invincible Ignorance, Wishful Thinking, Magical Thinking, Enchanted Reasoning, Terminal Denial, etc., etc, etc.

They should just embroider a map of The US on the cover of the DSM-IV and call it a day.

This Country has gone completely off the Rails.

[Earth Bound Misfit]

77. You forgot Willfull Ignorance

[TheWatcher]

78. Indeed I did.

Thank You for adding that to the list.

And Ironically, it appears I left the most important and damaging symptom off the list.

I stand corrected.

[johnlal]

109. I think we care. It's just that our choices are limited.

I hate when people demand, "Where's the outrage?" If we had to demonstrate our outrage everytime our government does something outrageous, we wouldn't have much sanity left. Our elected officials know that we don't like what's going on. We've made no bones about it. It's just that when you look at the ballot, there's not a whole lot to choose from.

As much as I loved the outcome of the 2006 midterm elections, I think its safe to say that we didn't get a whole lot of bang for our votes. If we keep voting our conscience, however, Congress could evolve over time into something worthy of its prestige again.

[dixiegrrrrl]

113. Enchanted Reasoning.....I great phrase

[info being]

114. Speak English: the US isn't a democracy

[Selatius]

125. Not anymore. In the past, it was debatable, but now, we just have an oligarchy.

[Dr.Phool]

2. Fuck 'em all!

I read an article today talking about a proliferation of jellyfish. Primitive, spineless creatures without a brain.

I'll have to re-read it. I didn't catch on that they were talking about congressional democrats.

[Gabi Hayes]

5. hahh....my two rotating wallpapers

[kimmerspixelated]

6. Good one, Dr. Phool!

And so spot on!

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. cause the blue dogs control policy and it is time to

kick blue dogs to the curb

[Individualist]

7. ...specifically DLC

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," Dennis Kucinich

[libodem]

122. Too sad for words

Terminal ignorance.

[kimmerspixelated]

4. The news just gets worse and worse!!!

Hello?

Sure feels like 1940's Nazi Germany!

Hello?

WE MUST IMPEACH IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!

or GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!! America!:scared:

[pt22]

10. You don't think these people in the library will stare?

:evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

11. Last October, I just fell over from burn out.

Maybe these criminals and enablers count on that.

What we're doing isn't working. And I mean us, not these f#ckers.

[jgraz]

12. What else can we do? I call, I write, I go to protests. What's the next step?

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. What is next is what many of us do not even want to consider

but it is real...

As Malloy puts it, the ammo box

[Canuckistanian]

42. Or the "tree of Liberty" as he also puts it... n/t

[pleah]

25. This is where the right to bear arms comes in.

In my opinion. Another civil war?

[jgraz]

30. A civil war? Against whom?

Last I checked, the overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with us. It's just the rulers who are dropping the ball.

[bdamomma]

44. maybe we should be the ones dropping the ball.

[TheWatcher]

121. Or The Hammer.

[RedLetterRev]

100. Except for the nagging question

of where those hundreds of "missing" nuke parts went, and (while we're on about it) what went with those six "missing" nukes. 'S'hard to say since most everyone around the incident "had an accident" very, very soon thereafter.

I have a really, really bad feeling. There's not a question in my former-military mind that they neoKKKons would ice a city or two just to keep everyone else in line. They've amply demonstrated that, yes, Virginia, they most certainly are that vile.

[dixiegrrrrl]

116. thank you for saying out loud

what has been spinning in my mind for almost a year.
Except now my mind adds....a city with Obama in it.

[bobbolink]

32. We're smart people. We need to put our heads together.

In the 60's we came up with different and creative ways to address issues.

They're now overworn.

They were smart then.

We're smart now.

We CAN figure it out, if we really want to.

[bdamomma]

45. how about what Mike said the other nite

just stop. Just stop for one day, no work no school. Another thing Mike mentioned if we stopped buying SUV's and demand has plummented ending up with Ford Company closing plants, what if we used the same strategy. But was the SUV decline due to increased gas prices, or does something have tp affect us personally before we do something.

[bobbolink]

110. You're looking at individual solutions.

While we all need to monitor our own behavior, the big changes are going to have to come systemically.

We need to put our considerable brain power into figuring out how to affect the system.

Without that, there is a big limit to what we can do as individuals.

[rucognizant]

82. Next step?

Grab a bucket of tar & a pitchfork & head to DC!

[raebrek]

90. The next step is to run for office yourself.

If you can not get satisfaction any other way and the fools are in charge; then you need to go and make a run for office. That is the only way left. You know that you will do the right job. I know that I would do the right job. Maybe it is time to quit yelling and start running for office. What do you think?

Raebrek!!!

[EFerrari]

115. I don't know. But we need much more synergy if we're ever going to

get anywhere. We don't have that right now.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[lpbk2713]

13. K&R

I'm hoping the light I saw at the end of the
tunnel wasn't an Amtrak bearing down on me. :eyes:

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. And there's still time today for more midwest levees to break.

[Hissyspit]

16. Yup. I almost added one of those threads, too.

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. Yep. K&R.

[Indenturedebtor]

17. I'm sorry but this thread has nothing to do with Tiger Wood's knee

I really don't have time to discuss this with you.

Oh hey did you hear that some folks made a big crop circle in England?

[Uncle Joe]

19. Why can't the house just except an explanatory note from Rove's mom?

Why do they even bother?

[L0oniX]

21. You forgot? FEMA is now retrieving what it gave away and is now going to send it to Katrina victims.

Thanks to CNN for exposing FEMA's massive give away of goods that were collected for Katrina victims. I guess we need mics and cameras in all government offices or this sort of stuff will keep happening. Hey ...they don't mind spying on us so lets spy on them too.

[Triana]

22. GODDAMN them!

[proud patriot]

23. I feel the urge to K and R this

:hi:

[Maureen1322]

24. I am to the point that in Nov. if your in , your out.

[LuckyLib]

39. My Dad (now 94) had a quote, "Vote the bums out!" I'm with you!

[FREEWILL56]

101. Can we? Remember those pesky electronic voting machines

and when that fails to do the bums enough good, the supreme court gets to decide.
edit to add:
We are just chads to them and they take us or leave us at their own discretions.

[ljm2002]

27. At this point there are only two possibilities in my book...

...for why the Dems keep "caving" -- either craven cowardice, or complicity. My guy says complicity. They DO NOT want the crimes to be exposed.

[windoe]

28. Well looks like DK will be back with 60 more articles of impeachment

to read to the Real World, just to let us know there are a few awake people left in DC.

Barack Obama has got a mess on his hands. and I know he is a salmon swimming against a strong current. His influence will be noble and great, but he has got his work cut out for him.

I wish there was a way to mark federal income checks 'for peaceful purposes only' or 'to serve people in need' or 'flood relief' instead of it being made into bombs or disappear into some greedy guys pocket. This is truly taxation without representation at this point.

[Imagevision]

29. You know there's a reason Bushco is getting away with all this shit.

What would the US. look like to the rest of the world bringing George up on war crimes after he slaughters 600,000+ Iraqi's under phony intel. There is a reason for this I tell ya!

[windoe]

31. What would we look like if we didn't prosecute?

A third world dictatorship? (I know you meant that)

Nothing like getting b*slapped with the grim reality of it all.

[rhett o rick]

36. The reason is that most of Congress is afraid to do the right thing. It might put their verry

lucrative jobs in jeopardy.

[bdamomma]

46. so their jobs are first and not country.

they are gutless and we need to tell them.

[rhett o rick]

63. I tell them all the time. But they are imune. They are incumbents and safe thru the primaries.

[Amonester]

50. Reality check: the US already looks bad to the rest of the world...

In fact, the US's been looking very bad since the very first day the ignorant arrogant war criminal got selected and began telling hundreds of lies to start a war that wasn't necessary to begin with, and then, when the Abu Ghraib pictures showed up all over the... World Wide Web... the rest of the world went :puke:-king and did not recon the US anymore... just a "revival" of the horrible memories of the Nazis...

If the US ever wants to look good ever again, the neocon traitors MUST face TRUE justice one way or another... (As Soon As Possible).

[LWolf]

33. Kucinich will. Will the public back his efforts? n/t

[rhett o rick]

34. In a word f*** no. nm

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

66. We should never forget to celebrate the righteous few

and support them. Last week-end, CNN's show This Week In Politics hosted by Tom Foreman gave about 30 seconds to the story of Kucinich bringing the articles of impeachment. They had images of UFOs in the backgrond and comical Keystone Cops type of music while they showed Kucinich delivering his articles before an empty room. Kucinich is being marginalized and ridiculed. It makes his stand even braver on his part.

We shouldn't just curse the darkness but we should help the righteous few like Kucinich to light a candle for justice. These guys need to know they have the public behind them.

[LWolf]

68. I agree. n/t

[rhett o rick]

35. I am convinced that our struggling is futile. The gullibles will not understand that they

are getting screwed until we have a total crash. Those of us that keep struggling (and I am including myself) are fooling our selves. If we are accomplishing anything, it is only to postpone the end of America. It will have to get a lot worse before the gullibles understand they are getting screwed. When we have bread lines maybe they will figure it out. Maybe then we will have American Revolution II.

This is a class war, and Congress members are not part of the middle class/poor.

Someone once said, "Give me liberty or give me death".

[bdamomma]

49. it is truly a class war.

and forget Congress they will not help, we elected them in Nov 2006 and they are still giving in to W.

[lib2DaBone]

37. Bush and Rove out of Control.....

Mr. Rove, Have you no sense of decency ,sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

[wurzel]

38. You can see why Republicans hold Dems in such contempt.

It's justified.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Some of us Indies are starting to as well

BOTH parties

[McCamy Taylor]

43. Time to get on the phones and badger Congress once again about no immunity for AT&T and Verizon.

[unkachuck]

47. corporations....

....are the money engines that power the fascists and their shills....

....we must stop empowering corporations with our tacit support, we can't have it both ways....

....control the corporations and you'll control the fascists....

[followthemoney]

51. Government is the shadow cast by Business.

These parties are fronts for War Capitalism.

Think of it this way and you will be less surprised at events.

[DCKit]

53. Yeah. The Friday news dump is going to be amazing. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

54. Whassamatta? You Outta Grey Poupon?

I can pass you some.

[lligrd]

55. I Thought Americans Were Coming Around And Then Today

I heard on the news that a majority support offshore drilling. They really don't get it!! Somehow, we are not getting the truth to Americans. They obviously need the truth repeated over and over in simplified terms and our side isn't getting the message out.

[lonestarnot]

58. I am about to give the fuck up!

No, no, no I'm not. I'm still filled with this slow burning rage. So what to do with it?

[bdamomma]

95. weird suggestion but what if we send them something.

like copies of the Constitution or copies of V. Would that shake them up?

[lonestarnot]

106. They wouldn't read it, just a waste of money and paper... Just a GD piece of paper.

[paparush]

103. If you keep telling a lie, people will believe it..Bush's whol reign is based on this.

[defendandprotect]

56. About five months to the elections . . . ??

And two years after we elected a Democratic congress -- and heard Pelosi confirm that the
"election was about ending the war in Iraq" . . . we have little to show for it!!!

Sad --- sad ---

heartbreaking ---

[lonestarnot]

57. OMG! Can this really be so?

Son of a bitch! I think I will just rip my eyes out so I don't have to look at shit like this any more.

[FirstLight]

59. Where are we going...

...and why am I in this Handbasket???

The news is sucking and things are going to get much harder I fear...but hoping that I am proven wrong and humanity can pull a BIG whopper of a magic wand out of its ass and fix the planet, the entire infrastructure of Globalization , food production, etc...
I can still hope that somehow it won't be as bad as I think it could be. And I begin to wonder if I could live in a teepee or get by if the whole thing is to collapse... the answer is, I don't know.

But this is really getting outta control, and I find myself saying WTF all the time as I see this unfolding...and I wanna know, when and where do we show up with the torches & pitchforks...? I may just have to join you!

[Swamp Rat]

61. k&r

[chill_wind]

62. K & R & bookmarked

because it says it all.

[Chisox08]

64. Right now CONgress is just as guilty as the Bush Admin.

They had two years to start impeachment on Bush and the rest of his cronies. They had two years to end the illeagal occupation in Iraq.
They had two years to to at least hpld the Bush admin. accountable.
In two years of democratic control of the congress they sis absolutly nothing in order to stop Bush and his cronies from destroying this country.
Denis Kucinich has been the lone voice speaking for the will of the people and he gets ignored. I hope DK comes with even more articles of impeachment every week until they start the impeachment process. Bill Clinton was brought up for impeachment for far less.

[Kool Kitty]

65. I've kicked and rec'd and I can't say much more

because my head exploded this afternoon. I have to look under the sofa for the missing pieces of my skull. I can't stand much more of this, I can tell you that. I watched the hearings and very little else. I heard Randi talking about Bush's little veiled words about not sending much aid to the Midwest (thoughts and love and prayers to all of you treading water out there) because they might need it later this year. What the fuck? That was the last straw, and was the cause of head explosion.

Then I watched the first episode of "Reilly: Ace of Spies" on DVD and made dinner.

Will tomorrow be Russert tribute-free? Please?

[Iwillnevergiveup]

69. These are extraordinary times indeed

What would it take to wake people up? Maybe truckers who simply cannot afford to be on the road any more - no deliveries to grocery stores. But along with that, I agree that we must pick off DLCers one by one because they are complicit. It's gonna be a long, hot summer.

[liberalla]

70. I'm so, SO sick of this!

And MAD too. When will someone stop them?
When will they be held responsible???

:grr:

[orleans]

71. there is a cancer growing inside the democratic party.

SHAME ON THESE FUCKERS!

[Horse with no Name]

75. Growing? That fucker has metastasized and the patient is clinically dead.

The pronouncement has just been delayed.

[RNdaSilva]

72. A lone voice in the MSM wilderness?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr8nrRZOpXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrDnpYDQauw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTyRdK3BWs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Ou8yvithY&feature=related

Expecting to hear about "General Accuses WH of War Crimes" tomorrow on an MSNBC special. Veiled...see videos above.

To vote dissatisfaction in re the direction of our Country, in a poll, is an easy step. To do something about it - apparently not. Like Nancy Pelosi, too many are lacking in moral conviction.

Someone mentioned above about "voting the bums out." I've been hearing that for years yet people fear change and hope and vote the bums back into office. It is time for an intelligent revolutionary change, vote for change and hope. We the people have been complicit far too long...we too are bums.

I do speak out...on my soapbox issues...

[TheWatcher]

73. Land Of The Cowards, Home Of The Complicit

[Kablooie]

76. No. NO. NO!!. NEVER WILL *ANYONE* HOLD *ANY* OF THEM RESPONSIBLE.

It's not only shit.

It's bleeding diarrhea.


The Democrats are just Republican lackeys. Didn't you know that?

[Solly Mack]

79. That ringing in your ears is freedom. Don't be alarmed.

Freedom causes vertigo and is perfectly natural.

[mod mom]

80. There's the D's, there's the R's but where they come together there's the MONEY PARTY

where our elected officials, some from both paties look out for their own self interest and worship the almighty $. Ever wonder why the DLC support stances that benefit the corporations over the people who elect them?

[GeorgeGist]

81. What else can you expect from a nation ...

founded by genocidal maniacs and their sympathizers? Integrity?

[sourmilk]

83. ONE Democrat is trying...

http://www.truthout.org/article/kucinich-introduces-impeachment-articles-against-bush

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced 35 articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush late on Monday during a speech on the House floor.

Kucinich, a former contender for the Democratic presidential nomination, pointed to "high crimes and misdemeanors" committed by the Bush administration, including misrepresenting intelligence in the lead-up to the war, violating domestic and international laws against torture, illegally spying on American citizens, obstructing justice and governmental oversight, and dozens of other violations.

The impeachment resolution came four days after a June 5 Senate Select Intelligence Committee report that vigorously challenged statements made by the Bush administration regarding military intelligence in the runup to the invasion of Iraq. Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee John D. Rockefeller said in a press release, "Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence."

"It is my belief that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq, and used the 9/11 attacks by al Qa'ida as justification for overthrowing Saddam Hussein," Rockefeller noted.

[BrklynLib at work]

85. Anyone familiar with the 1969 Costa-Gavras movie "Z"? It was foretelling what is happening here.

I dread the thought that it will end the same way...appearing that justice is done, but in the Epilogue, you find that everyone got away with it.

Costa-Gavras chronicles the overthrow of the democratic government in Greece. When a liberal politician is murdered in an attack during a peace demonstration, the right wing established figures in the military and the police try and hide not only their parts in it, but try to cover up the murder as well. The magistrate must act as a detective in order to go through the cover up. While historically accurate, it is told as a combination mystery and thriller.

[mdmc]

86. One corporate party with two right wings

But lets do nothing and blame Nader instead:woohoo:

[Bosso 63]

87. Thank you sir ! May I have another!

[The Backlash Cometh]

88. We're fucked. Bend over, baby, because you'll only injure yourself further if you struggle.

[bdamomma]

96. no I won't back down, that is what they want to us do exactly

to adapt and go along with them. I think I read this in Against All Enemies.

[Wapsie B]

89. We don't have the votes.

Impeachment is off the table. It's time to move on. :sarcasm:

[cayuga]

91. When will the Underground start undergrounding? n/t

[scarface2004]

93. i say 'god damn amerika!!!!!'

jeremiah wright for president....he get s it!!!!

[BlueJac]

94. America lost years ago under the Bush crime family.......

with the help of Democrats! It totally pisses me off to no end. Vote the motherfuckers out.

[seafan]

97. The next move is a national strike.

House Democrats May Accept Unsworn Statements from Rove


General Accuses White House of War Crimes


Immunity likely for phone companies in spy bill


New U.S. Military Contractor Overbilling Scandal in Iraq Looms (KBR)


Wall Street Lobbies to Protect Speculative Oil Trades


Oil Trading's Powerful "Dark Markets"


Harsh interrogations OK’d from above, ex-Powell aide testifies


Housing rescue bill could be slowed by Republicans


Fired U.S. Attorney (Iglesias): "I Was Working for the Sith Lords"


US, China firms sign whopping 13.6 billion dollar deals




For a day. Or two consecutive days. Just stop. Stop unloading freighters full of cheap junk from overseas. Stop trucking it to Wal-Marts across the country. Refuse to buy any of the junk from this day forward.

Don't drive anywhere. Don't buy gasoline. Don't buy from major chain grocery stores. Shop at the local farmers' market instead. Refuse to use a credit card. Don't fly.


Don't use the services of the phone companies that sold us out and write a letter to communicate, instead.


Spend the two days at home with your family, getting to know them again.


And make plans for the next strike.

[redqueen]

99. Maybe it depends on what's in it for them.

Actions do speak louder than words.

[texastoast]

112. They are, after all

politicians.

One of my political science professors said that (and I quote) "By the time an elected official has attained the office of County Commissioner, he has sold his soul a half dozen times."

These Pelosi "Dems" are just enraging.

[gademocrat7]

105. k & r

[Plucketeer]

107. The Frustration factor is at full F**king Boil!

Time to immerse our cowards in it! :grr:

[fascisthunter]

111. Unsworn Statements are Irrelevant and So Will Be Those Who are Pushing For It

Bush and others will be held accountable and those protecting them will be squashed.

[zippy890]

118. k & r

:nuke:

[Major Hogwash]

119. We've been hijacked and railroaded. We are the Shanghaid Express.

Every time I think of that stupid phrase "off of the table" I grit my teeth so hard it isn't even funny.

[Phoonzang]

120. No, no they won't.

Anyone thinking that they will be held accountable is dreaming. That's the way it is in this country...

[ooglymoogly]

123. The truth will not set these bastards free, in fact if justice is ever served,

it might put them in jail. They are in collusion...there is no other answer

[leftofthedial]

124. why do you hate America?

accountability is OFF THE TABLE!

Move on.
















:sarcasm:

[libnnc]

126. DONE IN OUR NAMES

T O R T U R E





Gen. Taguba: Bush Administration Committed War Crimes

The Army general who first investigated the abuse at Abu Ghraib has accused the Bush administration of committing war crimes. Retired Major General Antonio Taguba made the comment in a new report about US torture practices. Taguba wrote, “The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture.” Taguba went on to say, “The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.” <snip>

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/19/headlines#1





Thursday, June 19, 2008
The Great Torture Scandal

McClatchy and other reporters are abruptly pulling the curtain away from the Bush team's illegal practices in arresting people arbitrarily, declining to offer proof that they were guilty of anything, detaining them indefinitely without trial or charges, and deliberately torturing them to the extent of leaving long-term scars and disabilities. The torture practices originated not with lower-level officers but with Donald Rumsfeld and others in Bush's inner circle, who then later blamed lower-level officials for developing the ideas that Rumsfeld ordered them to develop. Nothing they have done has survived a court challenge where one has been permitted.<snip>

http://www.juancole.com/2008/06/great-torture-scandal.html





A Senate investigation has concluded that top Pentagon officials began assembling lists of harsh interrogation techniques in the summer of 2002 for use on detainees at Guantanamo Bay and that those officials later cited memos from field commanders to suggest that the proposals originated far down the chain of command, according to congressional sources briefed on the findings.<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061602779.html