***********FISA DEBATE NOW *********OFFICIAL C SPAN

[bdamomma]

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

KEEP CALLING YOUR REPS PLEASE, WE HAVE GOT TO FIGHT THIS AND LET THEM KNOW.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. too late. no messages can get to the reps now.

they are either in the cloak room or on the floor. No cell access allowed.

[Breeze54]

2. Huh?

:silly:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. have you ever seen a congresscritter with cell phone or laptop in session?

they have a rule against them.

Heck, even PDAs are supposed to be banned, although people do use them to read their bills, or changes to them.

[acmavm]

3. Do you think they haven't heard, loudly and clearly, what we think?

I've made no bones about it. I doubt anyone else here has either. They HAVE been getting calls. And letters. And e-mails.

And you know what? They don't give a damn.

[bdamomma]

4. oh I hate repigs all they preach is FEAR.

we have enemies to come get us, protect Americans can't we protect ourselves it seems we are cuz they this government does not give a shit about us. :grr:

NOW IS IT PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES TIME.

maybe we are a threat to *'ie cause he has to spy on us all, I hope he burns in hell.

[SharonRB]

5. Oh, sure, I get there and who do I see first up?

That damn Lamar Smith! I had enough of him already at Scotty's hearing this morning.

[EFerrari]

6. Why the hell did Nancy let this get to the floor?

Couldn't she have put out more monkey bite bills or something?

[mzmolly]

I'm wondering if they want R's to think about it before we have a Democratic

President?

I can't imagine another rationale?

Scratch that, watching the Pelosi speech ... not sure what to think, trying to have an open mind. :(

[mzmolly]

77. Majority of Democrats vote no. 126 NO 106 YEA

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[EFerrari]

93. There's some back channel pressure I just don't understand here.

Most people are hating this. So, that leaves not the voters but some other pressure.

[mzmolly]

94. It's very strange.

I'm baffled by the granting of immunity.

[LSparkle]

7. Reyes is an asshole ... I can't believe Pelosipaloosa installed him

as chairman of the Intelligence Committee. But of course
there's Jane Harmon right behind him, sending the signal
that she agrees with this mess.

Approved by the "New Democrat Coalition" and the "Blue
Dogs" ... FUCK THEM! Why do we let the most CONSERVATIVE,
REGRESSIVE parts of our party control the rest of us?

Lying through his teeth -- "Congress does not grant im-
munity" through this bill ... Yeah, but the fucking AG
WILL! Damn both Stoney Whore and Fancypants Pelosipaloosa
for this piece of crap ...

[LSparkle]

8. Kucinich among those Conyers mentioned as upcoming speakers

Bobby Scott just spoke IN OPPOSITION to the bill --
hopefully Dennis will do likewise.

[EFerrari]

9. Why has no Democrat ever said the pre-9/11 wiretapping didn't stop 9/11?

So many obvious points to make that are never made.

[bdamomma]

11. yea, cause they were doing it before 9/11 weren't they?

[EFerrari]

13. They were doing it from just after Bush moved into the Oval Office. n/t

[Tatiana]

17. Exactly.

So f-in disappointing; these crop of Dems. Keith nailed it on Countdown last night. It is about covering their own a$$. They knew about the spying. Bush pulled a select few Dems (wanna bet ROCKEFELLER was one?) in to give his plan cover. Now they don't want the truth to be known about how they sanctioned the illegal spying on Americans. Why are they so afraid?

New Congresswoman Donna Edwards might be a clue as to why. They will lose their seats.

[bdamomma]

10. could we have some more recs thanks

[bdamomma]

12. these repigs they are protecting nothing in this country.

we are more vulnerable.

[LSparkle]

16. They're breaking their arms patting each other on the back

Oh aren't we wonderful, the way we've worked in a bi-
partisan manner ...

YEAH, RIGHT -- wonderful how you 500 or so are able to
so easily disregard the voices of the PEOPLE YOU WORK
FOR!

:nuke:

[wtmusic]

14. This is the sound of big money talking, folks

Has nothing to do with culpability, with justice, with the better angels of our nature.

I am sick to my stomach.

[EFerrari]

18. It's nauseating. And it's hard not to think that the few people

who stand against the bill aren't just window dressing.

[bdamomma]

19. yup, they are holding out their hands for the greenbacks.

and to Cover their butts. I hope I get to see Dennis I'm at work, and I am angry. Damn them all. giving *'ie what he wants that filthy disgusting man.

[LSparkle]

21. And the DINOs in the House ENABLED RatBastard and his cabal ...

after we gave them the House in '06 ... Jonathan Turley
said it all on "Countdown" last night -- Fancypants and
Stoney are CULPABLE and they're pushing this bill to
cover THEIR ASSES ...

Hey, Jane Harmon -- aren't YOU SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW YOUR
CONSTITUENTS and not insert your OWN judgment????? You
can put TONS of lipstick on this pig, but it's STILL A
PIG.

[EFerrari]

20. Jane Harman spinning her @$$ off. Thanks, Jane!

[bdamomma]

22. Jane Harman says her phones are ringing off the hook

[EFerrari]

23. But then she says this bill is an improvement. Weasel. n/t

[MiniMe]

25. And her email is full

And she isn't listening to a damn thing.

[K8-EEE]

31. How much $$$ did she take from the telecoms?

Just wonderin'....

[EFerrari]

33. She belongs to defense contractors.

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00006750&cycle=2006

[JDPriestly]

32. But she is not answering.

Is anyone running against Jane Harmon in November? She isn't a Democrat. I would gladly support any candidate who would oppose her.

[Marie26]

91. Harman constituent said she was hung up on

On C-Span.

[bdamomma]

24. oh crap, Boehner, go get the hook please.

how many drinks has he had???

[MiniMe]

26. Is he crying yet?

[Moochy]

55. He was flat out drunk on PBS Newshour yesterday

Huge bags under the eyes, slurring as usual, red rimmed eyes, red nose etc.

[LSparkle]

27. Heather HeadCold Wilson up ... WHERE'S DENNIS?

I have to get to work but I need my vicarious "primal
scream" relief first!

[sabra]

28. Rep. Heather Wilson spewing lies right now...

[SpiralHawk]

67. "You won't have me to kick around anymore." - Heatherrrrrr

"Because my homelander butt got kicked out in the primary. Guess I'll have to take a job as a telecommunications or munitions lobbyist. Smirk."

- Heatherrrrrrrr (R- Homelander)

[LSparkle]

29. Sheila Jackson Lee: "Hard to put lipstick on a pig" DING DING DING

(I just posted something similar.)

[mopinko]

30. they're gonna debate this for how many minutes? minutes!?

not that it matters. the deal is cut. but jesus f'ing christ. 2 minutes to defend the constitution.

[EFerrari]

36. Lungren got three minutes; Dennis got a whole one.

:puke:

[LSK]

41. each side gets equal time, its the leaders who decide how to use it

[EFerrari]

44. Yes?

[SharonRB]

34. Here comes Kooch

[MiniMe]

35. Dennis gets 1 minute?? Only 1?

[LSK]

39. everyone gets 1 minute, havnt you been watching???

:shrug:

[MiniMe]

40. On the Dem side, the repukes are getting more

[LSK]

42. no, both sides get equal time to debate

If less Repukes want to speak, they get more time for those who speak.

[MiniMe]

48. Yes, I do know that

And IMHO it is far too little time to debate such a bill. And the repukes are giving more per person. I guess there were more dems that wanted to speak than repukes.

[LSK]

53. they have been debating this for a few years now

I dont think any of these speeches influence any other congressmen. This is going to pass the House and die in the Senate. Id rather get back to the McClelland hearing.

[Freddie Stubbs]

59. Each side gets an equal amount of time; it is up to each side's floor leader to divide up that time

[LSK]

37. same old OUTRIGHT LIES from the Repukes

If there are terrorists that need to be spied on, the 1978 FISA bill allows you to spy on them TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCKING REPUBLICANS CAN NEVER MAKE A POINT WITHOUT LYING! NEVER!!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[EFerrari]

38. Nancy back slapping while she sells us down the river. n/t

[babylonsister]

45. Yep. Now she's trying to justify caving. Any iota of remaining respect

I had for her is gone.

[EFerrari]

51. I do not want to be "protected" by Nancy Pelosi. n/t

[Career Prole]

47. My computer seems to be choking on her words.

Audio keeps starting and stopping. Was there ever a time when she would have choked on these words?

[EFerrari]

54. Around here (in this district), sooner or later they sell out to

the defense contractors. We were much better off when this was really a Navy town and not a host for parasites as it is now.

[Mabus]

52. "I respect the opinions I've heard on the floor today..."

But apparently not the opinions of people across the nation.


TERRAH! TERRAH! TERRAH!

[Mojorabbit]

43. It DOES

violate the constitution Nancy. I am so pissed off.

[EFerrari]

46. And it does allow for warrantless wiretapping, Nancy. n/t

[L. Coyote]

49. PELOSI "learn the truth"

[VP505]

56. She knows the truth, she just

thinks we don't know it.

[babylonsister]

50. Talk about lipstick on a pig; that's what Pelosi's smearing right now. nt

[spanone]

57. just comin' in anyone bring me up to date?

whole lot of thankin' goin' on

[mdmc]

58. at work

no news

[EFerrari]

62. The usual four progressives objected a minute at a time,

Pelosi got up to put lipstick on this pig and then Hoyer repeated "good compromise" twenty-five times but this is just CSPAN Theater, it's a done deal.

[Moochy]

60. Steny Hoyer: Selling out is "moving forward"

"move forward" is DLC code word for accepting republican policy without modifications.
Thanking Conyers.
Thanking Rockefeller.

Hoyer's page on open secrets
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00001821&cycle=2008

[EFerrari]

61. He's citing NYTs, WSJ and the WaHo as evidence that this is a

a "good compromise". I feel so much better now! :sarcasm:

Too bad we're not all the sheep that Hoyer would like us to be.

[Moochy]

65. As he tossed his talking points over to the clerk

I thought I heard him say "That ought to stick!"

I'm so sick of these quisling democrats in charge.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/19/125755/946/590/538438
Kossacks have done yeoman's work on this issue. So have the likes of the ACLU and other organizations that take the 4th Amendment seriously. Neither DKos, the ACLU, nor anyone else, however, can marshal the resources that the telcos can. We don't have $14mm to lobby, nor do we have former staffers to key Members.

[Marie26]

63. What, are they already voting?

What a disgrace.

[slipslidingaway]

64. Thanks for the thread, happy to not have witnessed the whole

show.

[Moochy]

66. What benefits flow to the democrats voting yes?

[dana_b]

68. they make me want to fucking vomit!!

I'm sorry for the horrible graphics/language but I'm beyod pissed off right now. I'm sick. Sick to think that these so-called representatives don't have the guts to defend the constitution. It's all about them and their jobs. What's the point anymore? Whatever we say or think doesn't matter.

[Marie26]

74. C-Span callers are great!

Republicans, Dems, Independents, all calling to voice their disgust. They all say it's trambling the Constitution, Dem complicity - people are angry. 7 calls against & only one for so far.

[spanone]

69. taking bets....the senate will rubber stamp this legislation

[Tatiana]

70. Steny Hoyer is about to feel the wrath of being targeted. I hope capitulation was worth it.

Our first ad, featuring Steny Hoyer, is almost finished and will run as a full-page ad in The Washington Post and in numerous newspapers in his district, aimed at his core Democratic base. We are excited that Color of Change -- the online, grass-roots African-American organization devoted to demanding more responsiveness from Washington officials -- has now joined our coalition and is directly working with us on this ad campaign against Hoyer. And we hope to expand our work with them to include the other campaigns we are doing, including -- just for now -- the ones against Rep. Chris Carney and Rep. John Barrow.

The total amount we have for this campaign is now almost $250,000. The response has been overwhelming. I know that many of you have donated as much or even more than you could, but the more we raise, the more of an impact we can make against the individuals responsible for this travesty. Making them know there is a real price to pay when they do this -- not by getting deluged with angry phone calls or merely having primary challenges, but doing everything possible to expose their real character, remove them office and put a permanent end to their political careers -- is the only real way to deter its repetition. Contributions can be made http://www.actblue.com/page/fisa">here.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/20/bipartisanship/index.html

I'm just sick. These bastards truly are nothing but pigs painting lipstick on themselves, looking in the mirror, calling themselves beautifully bipartisan.

[eShirl]

71. every YEA vote = traitor to the Constitution

hey ASSHOLES you wanna change the Constitution, get a fucking Constitutional Amendment

[Moochy]

72. Chimpy Mc Cokespoon on splitscreen gloating about the vote

Thanks CSPAN for televising American Sham Democracy Theater!

[Marie26]

75. Disgusting! nt

[L. Coyote]

73. Here is an IDEA! Quit making enemies around the world. End colonialism!!

[LSK]

76. passes 293 - 129

[mzmolly]

78. We never agree do we?

UGH.

[LSK]

79. I hope it dies in the Senate

[mzmolly]

As do I. I honestly went in with an open mind, but to suggest that

we create laws around those in power who break them is an outrage.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

84. Didn't it pass the Senate last time rather easily?

Kennedy, one of the Senators who voted against, he won't be able to vote this round.

I'm not hold my breath that this time will be any different. x(

[Lone_Star_Dem]

83. Self-Delete replied to wrong post

Wrong spot.

[spanone]

80. what is happening with these people removing their names? is that normal?

removing their names as co-sponsors

[Marie26]

81. Rats scurrying

One from CA - Harman? And one from TX? We've got to note it down now because the names'll be taken off the bill. They don't want to face the wrath of their constituents.

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[mzmolly]

85. I think that's a bit over the top?

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[backscatter712]

86. To hell with that. They're traitors.

[Tatiana]

87. I understand your anger, but please edit your response for obvious reasons. n/t

[thewiseguy]

88. I suggest you edit your post

[spanone]

89. does this legislation nullify the lawsuits already in the courts...?

[bdamomma]

90. so I was away at a meeting what happened?

it passed I gathered I hope the Senate turns it down.

[spanone]

92. i do too but i seriously doubt it