Bush Had To Wait Until Dems Were IN CONTROL To Complete His Coup

[kpete]

I’d like to underscore the fact that in 2006, when the Congress was controlled by Bill Frist and Denny Hastert, the administration tried to get a bill passed legalizing warrantless eavesdropping and telecom amnesty, but was unable. They had to wait until the Congress was controlled by Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to accomplish that.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/19/telecom/index.html

[Andy823]

1. Maybe they waited

Because they had some dirt on Hoyer, Pelosi, and Reid, and knew they could use it on them before the elections in 2008 to not only get the bill they wanted passed, but to make these people look bad, and make the democratic party look bad. I still think that the wiretapping they did was used on political foes, and they are now using what they have to get what they want and make trouble before the elections.

[appal_jack]

29. Democratic collusion on retroactive immunity is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

It's right there in our Constitution, plain as day:

"No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

Article 1, Section 9. See for yourself:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html

"ex post facto" = 'after the fact' = RETROACTIVE


:grr:

Now, who's got the money for a lawsuit?

-app

[Hydra]

2. No real surprise

Reid was upset when Dodd and the others stood in the way of this in December.

I'll keep asking until someone gives me a satisfactory answer- Why is Bush getting what he wants from our Party and we aren't?

[mmonk]

5. That's the ultimate question and dilemma for us.

How do we respond and to whom do we turn?

[MissWaverly]

17. yes, I would like to know that too

and why do they keep assuming that we will buy this Bush enabler crap, we are sick of this, we want the 4th amendment
back, the Constitution and the rule of law and the right to trial by jury and congressional oversight of the
Executive Branch. They have had the majority since 2006 and Bush is still a one man rule in DC.

[Individualist]

18. Here's your answer

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," Dennis Kucinich

[Hydra]

19. Cheers to Kucinich!

Maybe I'll get to say that here now without all the the DLC plants here getting airtime.

[mod mom]

21. ding ding ding...neo cons and neo libs sharing the same agenda.

[crickets]

23. Dennis is no fool.

He's absolutely right there. I think there's more to it than that, though. It's DLC dems, collaborators covering their asses, and reps who accept money from the lobbies combined that are killing the votes. Those who aren't DINOs or caught with dirty hands are bought and paid for.

Very few are left who don't fit in those categories. Dennis Kucinich is one of them, which is why when they aren't ignoring him, the $media works so hard to marginalize him.

[Leopolds Ghost]

25. But the Republicans refused to pass this when Frist and Hastert...?

[Swamp Rat]

3. The Left and Right Hands coming together to clap.

[OhioChick]

6. You got that right. n/t

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. But the Dems really aren't in control. They don't have the votes

to override the Republicans on the important votes. Or at least that is what I have been told is the real reason that the Congress hasn't managed to do much.

Personally, I think the real problem is that most politicians have sold their souls to big business and it doesn't really matter which party.

[wiggs]

7. They are in control. It takes 60 votes to pass legislation, GOP controls 49. nt

[Hydra]

12. That argument only goes so far

We have no obligation to offer Bush ANY bill. If we have to, we can filibuster/sit on anything he wants.

If he wants bills from us, we can send our bills through first and say "Sign, and no signing statement, or you don't get your war funding later this week."

Congress refuses to stop someone who illegally invaded a nation. Why?

[wiggs]

20. That's my point. We don't have to pass ANY legislation. nt

[malaise]

31. That's the naked truth n/t

[burythehatchet]

8. I love that argumnt! It reminds me of Pat Robertson pleading for more cash

so he can do good deeds. :rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

26. But the Republicans refused to pass this when they had more votes and were in control.

Pelosi, Hoyer, Reid and Rockefeller made passage of this bill a personal crusade, why? What were they promised? What was Obama told that compelled him to reverse his decision to that of the previous Clinton admin that was pro-wiretapping?

[youngharry]

32. Obama and FISA

I'm not so sure Obama is caving on FISA. Remember he is a Constitutional Law Professor. He knows that while the House Bill gives "civil immunity" to the telecoms, it does NOT give "criminal immunity" to them and they can still be sued.

Also, remember that he has stated that he would try to take the immunity clause out of the Bill when it reaches the Senate next week.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A FALSE-FLAG ATTACK ON THE US BY THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY BETWEEN NOW AND THE ELECTIONS TO HELP MCCAIN, THE REBUBLICANS WILL STONE OBAMA BY SAYING HE COULD HAVE STOPPED THE TERRORIST IF HE HAD VOTED "YES" ON THE FISA BILL

Think about it...

[Dr.Phool]

34. And just how do you propose locking up AT&T, Verizon, et al?

You can't lock up a corporation.

It would give, "More bars in more places" a whole new meaning.

[Dr.Phool]

33. More important. The Speaker and Majority leader control what comes to the floor.

If they wanted to stop it, it would be deader than a door-nail right now! No vote necessary. As it is, Dems gave them the majority to PASS the fucking bill. We HAD the votes!

[spanone]

9. i'm sickened by our faux democracy

[wildbilln864]

10. Nancy Peloshit should be up on charges for aiding and abetting IMHO! nt

[file83]

24. Impeachment is definitely on the fucking table, too!!!!

[OneGrassRoot]

27. Absofuckinglutely. Collusion, big time. n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. It sure seems that way

[Overseas]

13. Sadly true. Sadder still -- only 10% of us voted against Pelosi reelection.

That was really sad. I entered a protest vote for Shirley Golub but only about 10% of my fellow voters in her district did so. Pelosi was re-elected with 89% of the vote.

[clixtox]

14. Very depressing outcome!

I find it hard to believe that only about 10% of San Francisco registered Democrats didn't avail themselves of the opportunity to send a message to "off the table" Nancy Peloshiti.

There must have been some vote counting chicanery involved!

Those residing in her district should write her every day and tell her that she is a war criminal and has abetted the many crimes committed by the shrub administration.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. No chicanery involved, the number of people who actually showed up to vote

in the primary was minuscule

You see, people complaint but always find something better to do during the primary

They also split the primary, between the presidential (supertuesday) and our usual June primary

Hey mine only got also 10% of votes not to get her back from the primary and they are counting that when we are given the choice of R and D we will salivate and do D

[bdamomma]

16. we need to let them know that this will not be forgotten.

[Eric J in MN]

35. Blue America PAC

http://www.actblue.com/page/fisa

If you don't want postal mail after donating though Act Blue, then you can sign up for "Act Blue Express" and check a box for no postal mail.

[VP505]

22. Interesting thing is that

when the Reptilians had the Majority the Dem's couldn't stop or pass anything. Now that they have the majority, admittedly a very thin one in the Senate. they still can't stop or pass anything. The Reptilian majority or minority can put a secret hold, can filibuster, require a super majority on a vote or stop legislation at will, Dem's not so much. Something is not right about that, I happen to think we have a serious deficiency in leadership and unity. Apparently the Democratic leadership just doesn't get that Politics is a full contact sport, either you play to win or get out of the game, until they learn that fact Washington Democrats will always be second class citizens.

[Hubert Flottz]

28. Nancy seems as angry as John McEXXON.

Don't cross her by asking why...

EDIT...I Don't think Joe Lieberman is the Only Joe Lieberman "Democrat" in congress...

[lonestarnot]

30. Sickening that.