So what are the realistic chances of derailing this odious "compromise" in the Senate?

[villager]

How can we expect anything other than Reid overseeing another sickening capitulation to the Bush agenda?

[sinkingfeeling]

1. I believe the Senate already approved it. It was the House that held in up in Feb.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

2. They did approve it

Do they have to vote again though now that it's changed?

[Purveyor]

3. Blunt just said on the House floor that he hopes the Senate quickly approved the new bill.

So it does indeed have to go back through the Senate.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. I assumed as much but wasn't sure

Good. We should be able to get Clinton and Obama to vote against it this time. They've both said the apposed the last one, hopefully that still holds. I know we won't have Kennedy voting, he was a nay vote last time. So that's one we'll need to makeup.

I'll need to look up a list of who voted for it last time and we can start feeling them out. There is always a chance that we'll lose more of our Nay voters this time due to the changes in the bill though.

[JDPriestly]

4. Once again, the Republicans outsmarted the Democrats.

I am furious. This is inexcusable.

Jane Harmon, Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi, three cowards who don't really care one hoot about our rights.

[tekisui]

8. I don't if the Dems were outsmarted, or just didn't try.

Or just don't care.

[ColbertWatcher]

12. I believe now with a change, there must be another vote. n/t

[EFerrari]

5. That's depressing. n/t

[spanone]

19. they reported on cspan that it now goes to the senate then *

[truebrit71]

6. You're kidding right? BOTH houses are full of the spineless bastards...

...

[fasttense]

7. I understand the Senate will take it up next week.

But the Senate has an even higher percentage of repukes. We will get screwed again.

[Ian David]

9. You mean where we have an even SMALL majority?

Or a dead-tie, if you count LIEberman correctly.

[TygrBright]

10. Probably less chance than there was of derailing the Missouri Compromise. n/t

[backscatter712]

13. We'd have to rely on people like Ben Nighthorse Salazar...

Like that's going to happen, given Salazar and his compatriot's previous voting history... :mad:

[mmonk]

14. We the people cannot defeat a tag team.

[TheWatcher]

16. Yes we can.

The question eventually will be do We The People have the courage to do what must be done, as The Declaration instructs us.

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Unfortunately, for right now, I think the answer is No.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. That will come, and I don't relish the day

but it will come...

Sooner I fear, than people in power even expect...

Now when regular joe and jeane six pack are finally directly affected by all this crap, and not the usual inside baseball crowd it will come

Guess where the Stock Market is today?

That is when they will be affected

[TheWatcher]

25. I don't relish it either.

What I relish even less is the consequences we face if the day NEVER comes at all.

If we just go quietly into the night.

When I was young, and embroiled in studies of the Darkness the world faced 70 years ago (When they still bothered to teach a real curriculum in Schools), it all seemed so distant. Like a nightmare or a folklore tale that is shared throughout generations. To so many of my peers at the time, it seemed like something that happened so long ago in a far away land, and though the horrors made us cringe, and we knew it was all too real, it seemed at the same time too horrible to be real. We literally could not imagine what it must have been like to actually live in such an environment.

But we were all comforted and content with one basic belief, which we clung to and held with absolute certainty.

It could NEVER Happen HERE.

How little could we have known back then, as we took in the Wonders of Return Of The Jedi, hummed along to Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, and the fledgling U2, and lived out our 80's adolescence, that 25 years later, the unthinkable would be slowly becoming our reality.

That 25 years later, we would be looking in the mirror at a country that was becoming difficult to differentiate from that other far away land 70 years ago, in 1938, just before the horrors of what that regime would unleash across Europe.

And thusly, for all too many of us, We Think We're Still Free, too.

[tom_paine]

26. Well said, Watcher.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[TheWatcher]

27. Thank You tom.

Cheers and Peace to you. :hi:

And hopefully, a good weekend.

[tom_paine]

28. I'll sum it up in two words: "It hurts."

You know, I honestly wish I really WAS what the idiot Bushies think we are...America Haters.

I mean, who could be happier today that someone who genuinely HATES America?

Our economy is destroyed. We have no moral highground left...quite the opposite we are plumbing the depths of the dark side ofthe human spirit and human history.

The dollar is weak, the stock market stagnant or plummeting, our military is shattered, andthe very concept of Old America, of the Founding Fathers, is nearer the ash heap of history thatn anyone evry thought possible.

Bin Laden and his boys must be ecstatic, every day they look and see how we have disgraced ourselves.

For those who love America...It Hurts.

[whistle]

15. FAILED...FISA passed

[Junkdrawer]

17. ahh..."Snowball's chance in hell"?

Do I win? :shrug:

[skooooo]

18. What exactly is the "compromise" part of it??

Can anyone explain it?

[Eric J in MN]

20. The Senate just said that phone companies have retroactive immunity.

The House said that phone companies have to show a memo from a Bush official which CLAIMS that warrantless-wiretapping is legal.

The House knows that phone companies have those memos.

The word "capitulation" is more accurate than "compromise," but anyway.

[annabanana]

22. "Republican Compromise" is what it is...

i.e.:

Let's all agree to do this my way.

[librechik]

21. Senate will vote next week. Chances they will reject? zero to none

this is their little Abject Prostration Is Mandatory Before Our Monarch bill in the first place.

More than sad.

[burythehatchet]

24. let's see our candidate walk the walk

[tom_paine]

29. Realistic? ZERO. ZIP. ZILCH. NADA.

To anyone who thinks I am being hyperbolic about this, let me remind you that totalitarisn nations, even modern newfangled Inverted Totalitarianisms like Imperial Amerika, are absolutist and predictable.

0% chance. This is not hyperbole. It is not 0.1% or 0.01% or even 0.000000000001%.

It is the same chance the 1938 Reichstag was going to rise up and condemn Kristallnacht. The EXACT...SAME...CHANCE.

ZERO.

Don't blame me for reality.

ZERO.