The only Constitutional right we have left intact is the Second Amendment.

[Cleita]

Just said on Randi Rhodes. Ironic isn't it?

[BOSSHOG]

1. Irony indeed

because conservatives think only they are armed.

[Glorfindel]

2. Ah, yes..."the right to keep and arm bears..."

[biermeister]

3. that's sad because some of the other ones are cool too

[Bluerthanblue]

4. I was thinking this just today- Ya think it might be intentional? - I

mean, if you are an armed mal-content, well, who could blame the "government" from doing what they have to to keep "US" safe.???

:shrug:

I don't like my thought patterns lately-

peace~

[Swamp Rat]

5. The 2nd Amendment is practically useless against militarized police and mercenaries

once they are ordered to shoot any and all Americans who resist.

[Jack_DeLeon]

6. I disagree....

[Vickers]

7. Me, too.

An armed insurrection is a right pain in the ass, huh George?

[Disturbed]

8. Most Americans do not know about The Constitution.

It seems most don't care to know what it contains.

[conspirator]

15. We would need at least kevlars and good assault rifles to stand a chance

[Cleita]

23. Why do you guys think only in terms of war?

I'm sure there are many non-combative ways to make them very uncomfortable. Think of how the French resistance did it. How they played along with the Nazis to their face but undermined them behind the facade.

[conspirator]

29. As the romans said, if you love peace, be ready for war. With criminals in power you should be n/t

[Edweird]

34. The French killed. A lot.

There was nothing non-violent about it.

[GA_ArmyVet]

40. Well, thats not exactly right

The Nazi Installed Vichy Government played along with the Nazis, by cooperating, assisting and condemning their jewish population to deportation to concentration camps and death. The French Resistance FOUGHT A GUERRILLA WAR against the Nazis. I however think armed insurrection is not the way to work out the differences in this country. We are a long ways from Nazi rule despite the rhetoric we have here. I don't agree with a lot of what has been done in the past 8 years, but the current administration does not have free reign to simply impose their will..if they did a lot of other laws would have been passed and in effect.

[Cleita]

50. That's the point I was making, a guerilla war. I should have been more

specific. What I meant was that they weren't formed into ranks like our Civil War and like I get the impression people are alluding to here, but showed a nice friendly face as farmer or shop keeper to the Nazi occupiers while sabotaging them while they weren't looking. Of course I believe we should eschew violence altogether because why should we put ourselves in danger, but we could become very irritating with some creativity.

[Pico de Gallo]

53. Oh, we're in trouble, all right

Apparently this administration DOES have free reign to impose its will. Congress, which includes treasonous Republicans and treasonous Democrats, has done ZIP to stop it. Didn't you hear the latest about OK'ing retroactive immunity for our mega-telecoms to spy on us AGAINST THE LAW?

So now that we've got that sorted out, have you ever heard of incrementalism? Check out the 8 phases of genocide, for instance. Governments don't go from benign to fascist/totalitarian in one step.

And last but not least, how many laws and executive orders that have been effected in the last seven years can you say you're familiar with?

We are in serious trouble. Denial is the first step on the road to enabling our own destruction as a free democratic republic. Most Americans are locked down in denial, and not only that, openly ridicule anyone who tries to warn them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Wrong, it just takes longer and quite a bit of organization

the SS learned that lesson, and class is in session in both Iraq and Afghanistan

WE invented the tactics...

[Cleita]

11. Randi kind of made that point.

She said she thought of getting a gun and then realized it would be useless up against the Bradleys.

[Jack_DeLeon]

13. but vehicles are almost useless without gas....

you dont go after armored vehicles with rifles you go after the supply lines.

[Zachstar]

27. Screw the slow Bradleys she knows damn well jets would kill you in a moment.

If not An Abrams will throw a shotgun blast at you.


People need to stop thinking about overthrow. Not only is it violent and wrong, but 100 percent impossible. This is not 1776. Where weapons developed by civilians were often vastly superior to military arms.

Lets go through McCain hell then Let America decide its fate. If America wants to continue to be a facist country then China will be happy to suck it up.

[Cleita]

30. You make sense in a strange way, but

I don't think those of us who are barely hanging on economically now will be able to weather a McCain presidency and more Reaganism.

[Jack_DeLeon]

36. There is nothing wrong about using violence if its appropriate...

for most of us in our day to day lives it isnt, but just because we havent yet had to use it does not mean that it does not have its place.

Sometimes you have to fight and kill to protect what is important to you.

Have you ever read history? Its full of bad people using force to get their way, and when there is no one to stop them they usually get it.

[Irreverend IX]

46. Jets? Abrams?

How would you use jets and Abrams tanks against insurgents who do hit and run sniping, destroy infrastructure and hide among the civilian population? The whole point of guerrilla warfare is that you don't fight fair. Jets and tanks can't do anything against enemies they can't see.

[Zachstar]

49. You mean you think they cant see.

Not every weapon got deployed to Iraq you know.

Can we stop the damn revolution talk?

[Greyhound]

52. That's why you don't go up against the Bradleys, you take out the crew when

they are vulnerable. Guerrilla warfare is effective and ancient.

The home team always wins eventually.

[OwnedByFerrets]

12. Thus, the rise of Blackwater and

others of that ilk. You are so right. We are fucked.

[conspirator]

17. Some of the soldiers would defect to our side, not all cops are bad n/t

[Cerridwen]

18. Think Colonialists who refused to "stand in formation" and

fight by the "rules" of war.

Think Vietnam.

Think...

This is a public board and the new FISA "compromise" means I must continue cautiously.

Think general strike, when the overlords gateway class, is reduced to nothing more than being a member of the "teeming masses."

[Swamp Rat]

19. !

Your point may or may not have been implied in my post above. ;)

[Cerridwen]

20. Oh, I am sure not.

We are good little citizens and will take what comes and make lemonade of those lemons.

I mean, seriously, you can't fight city hall; especially if it's armed with...what the hell are city halls (or is that cities hall) armed with these days?

Yes, yes. It's just the way it is. I will conform to the Borg mind. It is my want in life. By "divine right" I've been told.

(if'n I gotta put a smiley in here for you to get that...)


Smiling sweetly. :D

[Swamp Rat]

21. Litebyte Bandit gets angrier every day.

Who knows what he may do. :D

[Cerridwen]

22. Ah, Swamp Rat...may I call you Swampy?

If only.

I learned many years ago, the difference between what people DO versus what people will SAY.

The internet is a mixed bag, a dual edged sword, and many other metaphors. It gives us the opportunity to vent without having to make the commitment to DO.

My apologies. You are quite popular here for the art you do. I do not mean to drag you into the mud of the trenches; though you may have some r/l experience in said trenches.

As viewed by this board, we should just be "happy, happy, joy, joy" that our presumptive nominee said he is going to fight for our rights in the Senate.

I am content.

[Swamp Rat]

25. I live in da bayou, cher.

I is covered in da mud anyway nohow, cher... et, oui, you can calls me Swampy, mon amie. :hug:

[Cerridwen]

32. .

I have microscopic French and even less Creole...but I think I got whatchu say.

Is it too "mushy" to say, I Heart you, Swampy. Well, if it is, too freakin' bad for my Eurocentric ancestors.

You and I agree on far more than we disagree on.

Thank you, Swampy.

:hug:

BTW, playing in the mud is tres fun. I'm just sayin'.

:evilgrin:

[sendero]

41. Tell that to the Iraqis....

.... what makes you think an American "insurgent" or "guerilla" army would be any less effective against our military than it has been in every other war?

It's a numbers game.

[aikoaiko]

48. Don't forget the advantage of superior numbers.

[Greyhound]

51. One of the rare times we disagree. History is on my side on this one.

Just look at and insurgency (there's a wide variety to choose from right now). Small arms prevent them from exerting control, and the home team always wins eventually.

The second is the means to restore the others.

[-..__...]

10. Say what?!?

Is she trying to be funny or something?

Try telling that to the residents of DC, MA, NY, CA, NJ, MD, IL, etc

If anything the second amendment is the one most often ignored and trampled on (at least in the past 40 years at the Federal level).

Hopefully (maybe), things should look much brighter when the SCOTUS releases its decision in the DC v Heller case (possibly Monday).

Then the real battle to uphold and restore the RKBA begins.

[pt22]

14. And Democrats aren't doing enough to KEEP it intact.

Loses us a LOT of votes.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

31. Thank you for your concern. -nt

[Name removed]

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[asdjrocky]

16. Maybe we should start using it....

...just sayin'.

[Jack_DeLeon]

24. I do quite often...

I carry a concealed handgun most times.

I havent had to kill any government officials or others who would use force to deprive me of my rights yet, but the option is there if I need it.

[MisterP]

26. the conservatives have never really been afraid of public guns:

helps people stay on edge and keeping an eye on one another, all while giving the industry money

[Marie26]

28. And the Third - you can still refuse to quarter British soldiers.

USA! USA!

[Cleita]

35. How about Canadians?

I wouldn't mind.

[old mark]

38. I believe it applies to anyone

from or in the UK.
(joke)
mark

[Xenotime]

37. And it's been twisted by right so much it doesn't represent the founder's vision

[michreject]

39. How so? nt

[ProdigalJunkMail]

42. the second amendment is hardly intact

there are plenty of places (public and private) where you are not allowed to bear arms...

sP

[mmonk]

43. Not exactly. Bush has federalized the state militias (Guard).

[baldguy]

44. You only have as much power as the corporatocracy allows.

[Frank Cannon]

45. That is an amazing image

It pretty much sums up the whole situation, doesn't it?

[aikoaiko]

47. Randi fails to realize the 2nd has been chipped away for a long time, but too many didn't care and .

...now they are coming for the rest of them. But now she and many people care.