COME ON PEOPLE - COWBOY UP

[TNOE]

To give into despair is to give these people what they want.

To sit out the election is to give these people what they want.

To vote 3rd party is to give these people what they want.

We're not quitters and we won't quit. Scream about it - let it be known - we're in it to win it - and we're in this to be the change and take our country back. They got this one - BUT - we've got plans.

So be pissed off - and then resolve to see to it that the country speaks loud and clear in November, 2008.


"These People" = the Bush Administration, the traitors to our republic, the cowardly and the afraid lawmakers.

[niyad]

1. what does it mean to "cowboy up"??

[TNOE]

7. Put your big girl/big boy britches on!

yes, it sucks - BUT its not a strike on Iran (yet) and its not another 9/11 in your city. This is correctable - and no one is dead.

We've been through worse. Unfortunately.

[blues90]

11. no one is dead ? What ?????????????????????????????

[TNOE]

12. Well, did someone die?

I mean come on. Lighten up. It really isn't the end of the world. Its bad, but its not life-threatening.

[AlCzervik]

15. besides 4102 us soldiers in Iraq and another 137 from other countries?

[TNOE]

16. They weren't killed by the FISA compromise

[AlCzervik]

17. hmm, where is FISA in your OP?

[TNOE]

20. Same place as

the stolen election of 2000;
the stolen election of 2004;
September 11, 2001
Iraq war, 2003
Secret Renditions;
Torture;
Rape of children;
Abu Gharib
Guantanimo
Free Speech Zones


ITS BEEN A VERY BAD 7 1/2 YEARS. THIS IS NOT THE THING THAT IS GOING TO DO US ALL IN.

[blues90]

22. Doesn't that really depend on who you are talking about?

Or not talking about.

It certainly is and has been life threatening and life ending to many people so far unless I'm in some fifth dimension or parallel universe and have got it all wrong.

If this is what religion does then man am I glad I am not held in that framework.

[TNOE]

24. Who said anything about religion?

Not me.

FISA is not 9/11.
FISA is not the Iraq War.
FISA is not Abu Gharib.
FISA is not Guantanamo.
FISA is not the flood in Iowa.
FISA is not the end.

[blues90]

26. here .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3492191&mesg_id=3492529

Unless your form of spirtual is something else. What the hell has FISA doing that is any good . I know you don't seem to defend it but you seem to imply as if it means nothing.

How do you know FISA is not one of the reasons there are people being held and tortured?

[TNOE]

29. Yes

spirituality has NOTHING in common with religion. But then religion usually doesn't have anything in common with Jesus Christ either.

I don't know that FISA hasn't been the reason people are being tortured. I know that some of them are there because they were from different tribes and some people were paid money to turn people in. So who better than an unknown from another tribe or an enemy tribe? I know that some people were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and had done nothing wrong.

And - I know the purpose wasn't necessarily a matter of innocence or guilt - but more of a matter of look at us - we can destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Geneva Convention and the people aren't going to be able to do shit about it. We can authorize torture - and no one is going to stop us.

But - they have been stopped - by the Supreme Court. They have been overruled. That decision leads us back to hope. And while this is bad, and a setback - its just not over and done yet.

They also thought they could politicize the Justice System and didn't think anyone would stop them. But they were stopped.

They also thought they could turn America into Nazi Germany with Karl Rove using Hitler's playbook. Who would stop them? Who could stop them?

Well - somebody did. All is not lost.

I suspect the government has been reading our emails & listening to us for years - but that doesn't make it right or legal or in line with the Constitution.

We stand with our heros - and we get rid of the traitors. One by one. It can be done.

[blues90]

36. they did not stop the torture at all

This is the third time the supreme court said the same thing and the bush admin ignores it. Nothing has changed there at all .

It's just a damn game to them .

when in your eye's is it over . when we are all in camps or those who dare to resist dead? This country may not be over yet but our government certainly is. It is over as far as a way out for many even though they are still breathing they have nowhere to turn and are on their own.

This is serious stuff and no one man as president is going to stop this.

Right now and since 2000 they have had the control and have got their way on everything. What's to stop them now or before 2008 Nov?

Bumper stickers and emails and protests, phone calls have gotten us nowhere , they are not listening to the people.

When we have the constitution shreaded we are in trouble.

Hero's , well who might they be , are they still alive?

Look , I'm happy you have all of this hope , I wish I shared it but I don't . My hope is when the people take action , not political hope.

I get the impression that somehow you feel nov 2008 will suddenly change everything in short order.

[TNOE]

41. You're right there

they haven't stopped the torture - but they got caught.

The CIA agents have had to lawyer up. The military knows they do it - they will be held responsible. No doubt - it is Blackwater that is left to the task.

Who are the hero's? You are. Because you care, because you're upset. I am, nearly ever poster here is, everyone who gives a damn and acts on it is a hero.

Never under estimate yourself, or the triumph of the human spirit.

[blues90]

43. we have known all along that they have been torturing people

So they got caught. They have places we don't even know about.

If we were heros we would have stood up in the millions to stop this long ago .

I am no hero because all I did was write and protest. This did nothing. Even if I stood in front of the capital and ended up shot no one would even know orhear about it and this would do no good .

I really doubt these people will pay for their crimes.

[hootinholler]

28. Um, what rock have you been hiding under?

You didn't witness Timapalooza?

-Hoot

[sharesunited]

2. Finally! Some team spirit instead of hand wringing!

[MNDemNY]

3. I will vote Democratic, as I always do.

Put this congressional leadership, and I use the term loosely, needs a purge.

[G_j]

4. the people have been speaking loud and clear

and voting!


I wonder when and how will they (the "leaders") listen?

[TheWatcher]

38. When we do as The Declaration Instructs us

And force them to.

[Horse with no Name]

5. They aren't traitors if you can't convict

You can't convict if you give them immunity.
Our country CANNOT regain its stature in the world community UNTIL it makes amends for its past crimes.
Keep telling yourself that one poseur in the WH is different than another.
The REAL power has to be in who we elect to Congress.
That is the REAL work that needs to be done.
Regardless of WHO wins the presidency...the WH has already been compromised.

[TNOE]

6. It ain't over till its over

Who is to say what the future will bring. It will bring what WE choose it to bring. I still foresee a Nuremberg Trial.

6 1/2 MORE MONTHS - KEEP FOCUSED.

[TheWatcher]

21. But my friend, your focus has to extend beyond 6 1/2 months

You also need to get past the false paradigm that after January 19th, that just because your Hero is elected, that the new Boss will fix what the Old boss did.

Because even if he does prevail, you can hope for AT BEST things to change in an illusory way just enough to keep us all in check, but the reality is that the change YOU and I want is NOT going to come from this.

It isn't going to be that simple.

It is ultimately going to fall to We The People to take this country back. We must realize and admit to ourselves we no longer have a representative government that has any intention of serving the people's interests, obeying and following the Rule Of Law, and abiding by and defending the Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

This is no longer abut Left Or Right, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal.

it is about RIGHT and WRONG.

It is about We The People against a Criminal Government that has gone Rogue, and serves it's own interests, not the people's interests, and attends to it's own agenda at the EXPENSE of it's people.

I hate to break it to you, but essentially, for all intents and purposes.....

WE ARE ON OUR OWN.

I tell you this not to discourage you, not to break your spirit. Far from it and quite to the contrary. We NEED your spirit, your determination, your will, your fire, because that is what it will take to get this country back.

But you need to focus that spirit and energy and come to the realization of the circumstances which you and everyone else now find themselves.

WE NO LONGER HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.

Getting our Hero elected is not going to solve anything, save for the ILLUSION of Change. Do not mistake me, I am going to Vote in November just like you, and I will Vote for Obama regardless.

But I will NOT live in the illusion of a false paradigm.

There will be much more work required to save this country, if it can still be done.

The Question will ultimately be, Do We The People have the courage to do what must be done?

We shall see.

[TNOE]

27. Very well said

I know - and I agree. I guess I just believe in me and I believe in you and I believe in US.

[TheWatcher]

34. And keep that belief ALIVE.

We will not go quietly into that Good Night.

[texastoast]

8. Bingo.

We need a huge Dem Congress. And really, more than we need a Dem president. Although, yes, having both would be better.

[TNOE]

9. Lucky for us

we're going to get all 3. THEN - WE'LL REALLY SEE SOME CHANGES. OR SHOULD I SAY - WE HAD BETTER?

[leftofthedial]

10. Half of the "democratic" party

isn't worth voting for.

we get to choose from a narrow field of corporate-vetted candidates.

the whole thing is a farce and a scam and will be as long as we tolerate the oligarchs and their two-party system.

[TNOE]

13. But the other half is

All is not lost.

[leftofthedial]

50. that is right.

but control of the system is never in play.

[Liberal In Texas]

14. It's going to be a long process taking back the country...and our party.

We have a lot of house cleaning to do. It will probably take several years.

When you let the place get out of hand, it takes awhile to get it back in proper condition again.

[TNOE]

18. Exactly.

We practically have to start all over as it is.

Wiretapping has been going on since 2001

The illegal war has been going on since 2003

Innocent people have been held in Guantanamo since 2001

We've had an illegal and illegtimate regime since 2000

We had 2 stolen elections

We had 9/11

We've got 1 million people dead in Iraq

We've got secret renditions

We've had Designated "Free Speech Zones".

Its been a very bad 7 1/2 years - and its not going to turn around over night.

[Leopolds Ghost]

39. Warrantless Wiretapping has been going on since 1991 when Bush I and Clinton I set up the program.

And it will not end. Obama just released a statement
pledging that warrantless wiretapping will continue
in his administration and that this bill "solves" the legality issue.

Your optimism is overstated.

[TNOE]

42. I doubt it will ever end either

We've got how many satellites roaming around in space? They're there for a reason - they always have been and they're not going to be taken down.

I guess I learned alot from the movie - Enemy of the State - what year was that written? All the tools in the movie have been at the government's disposal for years and years - if you listen to what Gene Hackman's character says - he is speaking the truth. They have satellites that can focus on a blade of grass. Unfortunately, its rather unrealistic to think that the government doesn't know just about everything that goes on. Even Teddy Rosevelt said that.

If people were smart enough to know this & realize this - they would have been smart enough to put 2+2 together with 9/11. No "terrorists" (not poor men in a cave certianly) could have ever pulled that off. But alas, the people are not smart enough and therefore bought the government's story hook line & sinker. Perhaps had no one bought the shit - we wouldn't be where we are today.

[KG]

19. COME ON PEOPLE - REVERSE COWGIRL UP!!!

:hi:

[ToeBot]

23. So let's see how effective Mr. Obama can be, if this bill dies in the Senate, all is well

otherwise, fuck him.

[Leopolds Ghost]

40. Good point. Obama is now the leader of the party in the Senate.

[Cerridwen]

25. Rah! Rah! Sis! Boom! Bah!

Take it in the a@@!
Take it in the rear!
All we got
is one more {time period to be determined upon the reading of this post}, y'all!

---------------

Nice you awakened in 2000. Nice you notice what shrub, et. al., have been up to. Pretty cool you figured out big D Democrats aren't always what they're cracked up to be.

Some on this board have been fighting the good fight since long before 2000. Some on this board are aware that the machiavellian machinations have been going on with many names that may or may not, include bush.

Glad you figured part of it out.

What precisely changes in November, 2008? The savior of the Democrats? Yeah, saviors fare well in our society. The next Abe Lincoln? Oh yeah, that turned out well. The next JFK, Martin Luther King, RFK? Could you guys find better "messiahs" than the ones who were, uh, ya know, assassinated? Seriously.

Go cheer lead. The rest of us are taking a breather between rounds.

rah. erm, y'all.

[TNOE]

30. Wow

what a freakin negative nanny you are. I won't call you what I would like to call you - because I don't want the post deleted.

Yea, and some of us - me for one - have been here way before 2004 & were active before 2000 too.

So what? I didn't need to "figure" it out - I was way ahead of you sister.

So - we stand still, we do nothing - we don't elect the right man for the right time to the most important job because he MIGHT be assinated??

Please, do everyone a favor - and take that breather. Make it a nice long one too.

[Cerridwen]

33. Wanna thumb wrestle?

Negative? I said breather. Try again.

We celebrate our (far too few wins) and take a break between.

Wanna name call. Go for it. Have fun. I won't alert.

Wanna swap "cred". Pretty freaking useless on the internet.

Because he might be????!!! WTF????

Erm, no. That would be because it would be nice to see people buy into a "cult of personality" in which the personality is still alive. Yeah, I know. Weird. Or better yet, let's not buy into a "cult of personality." Again, weird, I know.

[stevedeshazer]

31. I agree with you.

No idea why posters are dropping turds in your thread.

You're 100% right.

Never give up.

[TNOE]

32. That's just the way things are

I'm just glad I'm not some of these people. And for that - I am even more grateful.

[AlCzervik]

37. is a turd the same as being pissed about how many us troops have been in bush's war?

[stevedeshazer]

44. No, but sittin' around griping about it won't get us anywhere.

Nothing is over until WE decide it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpSFExhRdBA&NR=1

[AlCzervik]

45. you mean like everyone posting here today? I'm voting in November and i'm already

good and pissed off so i don't need a rallying cry, i've been living in this world of shit with the rest of you, walking my district, sending letters to congress and donating cash to many democrats.

[stevedeshazer]

46. Good!

I'm volunteering and will be phone banking to send our Republican senator packing.

I wish all DUers took action like yourself.

No offense intended.

[AlCzervik]

47. you many do, there are so many here at du that volunteer so much time and money

to candidates, it's pretty inspiring.

[Oeditpus Rex]

35. 'Cowboy up'?

:rofl:

[Fire Walk With Me]

48. What? Explore our sexuality because we've run out of pudding?

[Maureen1322]

49. Today it all became very simple for me.

Not voting or voting repuke is not an option.
However, if your in, Come Nov. I am voting you out.