Can there be any question now that there will be a pardon?

[IDemo]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17488924/

"Ultimately, the buck stops with President Bush. While he failed to keep his promise to fire the leaker (of the CIA employment of Valerie Plame), he should pledge not to pardon Scooter Libby," said Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean after a jury in Washington found Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice.

"The president, if he dared to pardon Libby, would further marginalize himself as a leader in this country," said Rep. Joe Courtney, D- Conn.

I'm convinced that the chimp not only wouldn't avoid a pardon to lessen the political fallout, but would grant one specifically because of it. In the Rovian mindset, this would be the only appropriate response.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

1. Wait For It.....

If you actually believe there is even a 1% chance that he Won't pardon Libby, then you haven't been paying much attention to him.

If you continue to cling to the belief that anything is possible, and you're just an optimistic person about such things, then reason won't alter your opinion. However, sometime in late 2008, when nobody's watching, it will happen. If King george is still in power, you can bet any amount of money you want.

For Dean or Reid to even think that this LOSER cares about his legacy, shows they're just pandering to the media, because they should know better.

[IDemo]

3. I could see this happening before 2008

Sometime this summer during "Operation Iranian Landslide" (O.I.L.)

[rock]

5. Indeed

What does bush* lose if he pardons Libby?

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. "If King george is still in power..."

Even if he goes down, he'll pardon Libby & Crashcart and whoever else (the Enron boys) the day before he goes. Even if he resigns under threat of impeachment, a la Nixon, it will be his last act in office.

and his successor will pardon him.

[LibDemAlways]

2. On Olbermann yesterday, John Dean was in agreement

with you. He said the only question was when the pardon would come and he suggested that Libby's lawyers would use every legal maneuver in the book to try postpone the inevitable until after the 08 election, but that if he had to, the chimp would pardon Libby before and let the political chips fall where they may.

[Jacobin]

4. of course

It'll keep him quiet about the rest of the crime family's doings

[bdamomma]

6. if bush does pardons libby, he is putting himself into a very

dangerous position, but again, he just does not think.

[global1]

8. What Dangerous Position Is * Putting Himself Into If He Pardons Libby?........

He knows he has the ability (given to him by the Constitution) to give Libby a pardon. He also knows that the Dems won't do anything or can't do anything about it. There will be public outcry by the Dems for a few days. The cable news shows will make a big deal about it - but have the * apologists on - supporting * on this. The furor will die down in a news cycle or two - and *Co is back to business as usual.

When they called Clinton the 'teflon president' - they didn't see * coming at the time.

The sad thing is - if the Dems don't jump on this right away - they will squander the opportunity for any further investigation to this Plame outing and the Niger forgeries - and the lying us into this so-call war.

Already - the * apologists were on last night and saying if Libby flips now - he will have no crediblity as a witness against *Co because he would be seen as a desperate convicted felon.

No - * wouldn't be putting himself into a dangerous position as you indicate - Rove is already a couple of steps beyond that.

[bdamomma]

11. read this little bit of transcript between KO and John Dean last evening

OLBERMANN: The subject of pardons and Nixon‘s White House came up, of course, recently with the passing of Gerald Ford and the whole idea of something being set up in advance, which was denied, after his death, by the people closest to President Ford. Is the last stone unturned on this, or perhaps the most important stone unturned on this, the question of whether or not Scooter Libby felt he had some sort of guarantee, some sort of pardon in his pocket?

DEAN: Well, we obviously don‘t know. That would have been something

that would have occurred probably very personally between Cheney and Libby,

who were close friends. I happen to be one who believes that Bush probably

will pardon Libby, that he will never go to jail for this. It will be a

question of timing, based on his appeal and the circumstance. So, it will be a very dangerous, however, because Bush has clearly a conflict of interest. He‘s protecting himself, not unlike his father was with Casper Weinberger.

[global1]

13. So Dean Said It Will Be Very Dangerous - To Whom?....

* doesn't care what people think and the Dems won't do anything about it anyway. So why is it dangerous. Bush clearly has a conflict of interest - but everyday he's issuing signing statements and thumbing his nose and flipping the bird to Congress and the American people. You think - he'll think this is dangerous? He's brave - he's the decider.

[bdamomma]

14. yes, * does not care what people think about him or decisions

and he will act as an ass and will pardon Libby, but maybe long before that, the Congress did subpoena Fitz to get the information from the trial. I would like to think justice will be served to these thugs.

[Marie26]

7. Bush won't pardon

That would show a degree of loyalty & guilt that he simply does not have. Libby is just another foot soldier to him in the greater neocon war.

[LiberalEsto]

10. I respectfully disagree

The motivation to pardon is not to do Scooter a favor, but to save the butts of Cheney, himself and other cronies. I think they desperately want to shut Scooter up by pardoning him.

[bdamomma]

12. maybe the reason why the Defense changed their tactics

and did not call Cheney, or Libby to testify, and a maybe a call to Libby to say shut up, and you will be convicted and with the shuffling of US attorneys (bush's cronies) being put in Libby could be sentenced for a while and then pardoned. These thugs are that sleazy you know.