Did Joseph Wilson lie?

[Rex_Goodheart]

"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Did Plame propose it? Did Plame recommend it?

[MADem]

1. What part of she "had nothing to do with the matter" don't you seem to get? NT

[Virginia Dare]

2. Here is a link ...

this is a pretty good synopsis of the facts vs. fiction of this case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2007/03/07/GR2007030700384.html

[blm]

3. A higher up ASKED Plame if her husband would be a good choice to send and would

she recommend him based on his experience.

She complied with that REQUEST, and the RW message machine twisted it beyond recognition.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

4. How many times are the rethugs gonna regurgitate this lie?

Plame had nothing to do with sending Wilson to Africa. She worked for the CIA but that is it. She did not have the gravitas in her position to cut orders for anyone. This has been addressed ad infinitum but people, with nothing else to argue, drag this dead horse out again and again.

[Connie_Corleone]

5. It's kind of silly to ask if he lied without presenting something, anything

to counter Wilson's statements.

[twilight_sailing]

6. Good post, Connie.

[emulatorloo]

7. HOLY CRAP -- Now I have to read this BULLSHIT on DU too?

No Wilson did not lie

Cheney Lied
Bush Lied
Libby Lied

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http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/07/the-coverup-continues-and-only-we-can-stop


The Coverup Continues and Only We Can Stop It
By: Scarecrow

<snip>

Yesterday a jury of 11 of his peers convicted Scooter Libby of four felonies: giving false statements (lying) to the FBI, two counts of perjury (lying) before a federal Grand Jury and obstructing justice in the investigation into who disclosed the identity of a CIA agent. But the unamimous guilty verdicts by the jurors who actually heard the evidence did not matter to the Administration apologists who simply don’t care about the evidence. Unlike Iraq, where the Administration apparently has no “Plan B,” their supporters were ready with their response to the verdicts: control the media narrative, bury the obvious accountability moment, obscure the “cloud over Cheney,” and more important, discredit the legal process and manipulate the eventual outcome. The coverup is in still on.

Last night those predictable apologists ran to the news programs with a massive disinformation campaign, starting with Fox News declaring the jury was “hopelessly confused” but focusing more on how “unfair” it was to poor Scooter Libby. TRex’ late nite post reveals another example of the “poor Libby” theme carried out by the right wing. These were followed by similar attacks on the verdicts on CNN and MSNBC. The apologists were very clear about what they are trying to do. It is a sign of the arrogance and moral depravity of this regime and its supporters that they did this right in front of us.

<snip>

[dkofos]

15. You forgot turdblossom

[saltpoint]

8. I believe the fib tumor is located in the heart and brain of the Bush

administration.

Not in the Wilson/Plame marriage.

[leveymg]

9. Wilson was sent by CIA to Niger on an earlier mission. 1999 and 2002.

Wilson was sent because he had been there before on the same issues.

Only those who are truly without a clue (and trolls) still raise this bogus, "Valerie sent him" BS.

[Tempest]

10. Wilson knew the people in Niger to talk to

Wilson personally knew the people in the Niger government who had the information the CIA was looking for.

That's why he was sent.

[TahitiNut]

12. Yep. They 'outed' Plame to destroy her cover and BJ&A, NOT to embarass WIlson.

These people wrap their lies in more lies. They deliberately destroyed the intel assets with which Plame was associated.

[Tempest]

16. Did you hear what the Libby jury said?

They said they hated judging Libby because they knew he was the scapegoat for Cheney.

The wheels are off and the train is heading straight off the cliff.

[TahitiNut]

21. Yep. Cheney should've been hung out to dry with the Energy Task Force.

That evil bastard is the worst of the bunch. His fingerprints are all over the Plame outing - it's his baby all the way.

[GOTV]

11. Why does it matter?

Didn't Wilson claim that some of the Admin's evidence for war with Iraq was wrong?

Does the claim somehow reverse itself if he was sent by his wife?

What possible relevance is the identity of who sent or recommended him?

He went, found out some of our evidence was faulty and then his wife's career was destroyed and the nation's security was put at risk. Isn't that the whole story?

[bdamomma]

13. no she did not lie

I expect more disasterous information will be coming out about this whole thing, this smells of Cheney, and whole PNAC crew to get their war in Iraq.

[dkofos]

14. NO But what difference would it make?

She was outed as a REVENGE tactic by the * crime family.

[sabra]

17. yawn

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. I know it's hard sometimes, but let's keep up

Answer: NO!!!!

[sabra]

19. I guess Cheney's talking points worked?

[Catherine Vincent]

20. Yes!

Valerie Plame sent him on a junket!

:sarcasm:

[BanzaiBonnie]

22. I smell a stinker of a question

Smells like troll to me.

[originalpckelly]

23. Why would it matter? He still went to Niger, he was still qualified to do so...

and he still returned and reported back to a CIA briefer in an oral report that the claims were false.

[originalpckelly]

24. The real question: Did Cheney receive a report back?

[wildbilln864]

26. good point.....

and why did this mis-administration use known forged documents?

[hughee99]

25. Didn't some Senate committee actually look into the whole

Niger situation a few years back and try to figure out what happened? I don't remember seeing the report, though.

[HardRocker05]

27. doesn't matter. it's irrelavent *why* he was sent. the only thing that matters is whether

whether his report that sadaam was not trying to buy uranium was true, and whether he delivered that report to the vice president's office. obviously repukes can not come up with anything incrimination on those to counts, so they have (successfully) changed the subject to questions about WHO sent wilson, WHY he was sent, how he characterized the trip, etc. dems should not let repubs change the subject away from whether or not his report was true and whether he gave that report to the vp's officee. those are the only two things that matter.

[Greyhound]

28. "If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing."

I think your sig line says much about your intent. Is there some reason you felt compelled to throw this shit out and run?

[shield20]

29. Yes he did - but not under oath - doesn't excuse perjury.

Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A09


Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.


...

Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
...

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.
...

The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.

Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.

"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."

The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.

The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."


2002

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Feb. 19: Valerie Plame introduced her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson IV, at a CIA meeting about reports that Iraq tried to buy "yellowcake" uranium from Niger for nuclear weapons.

[Oilwellian]

30. I take it you haven't read the "bipartisan" report

The so-called "bipartisan" report you elude to is referring to a fucking addendum added to the report by Hatch, Roberts and Bond. It is those 3 who demanded THEIR version of the story be included in the report. NO OTHER SENATOR on the Intelligence Committee would agree to THEIR version. The purpose of adding this addendum was to fool people like you who are too damn lazy to research it.

[emulatorloo]

33. or to put another way, "bipartisan" WINGNUTS with their special WINGNUT version of the "truth" eom

[Democrat 4 Ever]

31. Shield 20 - you aren't really that clueless are you? If you have

spent more than 20 minutes at DU you have at your fingertips numerous links where you can get real, factual, information. Using an incorrect article from 2004 as your cite shows you are either a hit and run or just can't be bother with the truth. I'd suggest you either catch up or find another site to hang around where the truth isn't as important as the smear campaigns.

[Catherine Vincent]

32. You smell...

..badly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. When are you finally going to be embarrassed about being so wrong

so often?

I cringe for you.

[GOTV]

37. Did he lie when he said Iraq did not purchase yellow cake from niger? If not...

... then what the hell is your point?

Do you have any other irrelevant facts? Maybe Joe Wilson is the real father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby? Or maybe once he got too much change in a coffee shop and he just kept it? That would sure put the sale of the Iraq war in a different light wouldn't it?

So what's your problem?

[Der Blaue Engel]

34. Nice tag team post

Not.

Is there a contest running or something? Or is it just the upwelling stomach acid of fear that prompts the increase in paranoid chatter?

:boring:

[opihimoimoi]

36. If anyone did some lying...its them PUBs...Bush included....

Look at the Damage done under the PUBs.

They ain't looking out for OUR ASSES I can tell ya that....