Anyone else watching Meet The Press right now?

[PerpetuallyDazed]

John Kerry and Tom Brokaw throwing Wes. Clark under the bus, taking his quote out of context and totally refusing to accept Clark's point on McCain's qualifications as president! :grr:

[TwilightGardener]

1. Surprised Kerry would do that. (Not Brokaw, of course).

[beachmom]

2. Nope. Clark threw himself under the bus when he said that.

Unlike McCain who only feebly condemned the SBVT ads while doing nothing to stop them, Kerry is setting a tone here that any kind of belittling of McCain's service will NOT be tolerated. This shows character. It shows the difference between Kerry and McCain.

The lefty blogs were wrong to defend Clark. He was caught in an inartful remark, and was called on it rightly. Yeah, sure, it was a trap set by Bob Schieffer but better guests on his show know how to avoid those traps.

And Kerry spoke the truth: he did stand in the cell that McCain was held in back in 1991, when they were working on the POW/MIA committee together. You don't forget something like that, even if you are passionate opponents in a presidential campaign.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

5. Clark wasn't attacking his service!

That's the point! Clark has consistently preempted his comments with how much he ADMIRES McCain's trials as a POW and that it's not an attack to ask how it "qualifies him as president." I don't see how that diminishes his service.

It's just as valid as asking how Obama's inner-city campaigning experience in Illinois qualifies HIM as president. It's a legitimate question for presidential candidates! Especially, I think, in light of one who wears their POW experiences on their sleeves as much as McCain does. Again, how does that translate to the presidency??

IF we wanted to Swift Boat his ass we'd point out WHY McCain survived as a POW--because he was a "fortunate (Admiral's) son."

[wordpix]

6. I agree with Wes Clark, being a brave POW does not qualify McBush to be president

[Frances]

3. Clark was right when he said that unless Dems

defend each other, the voters will conclude that Dems will not defend America.

But Dems need a new tallking point.

Repubs are great at personal attacks. They just don't know how to govern.

Bush has created deficits, an energy crisis, job losses, corruption and incompetence at every level.

Obama is offering solutions, McCain is offering Paris Hilton.

We should attack McCain for being just another Republican attack dog who will continue the same old Republican ideas that got us where we are today.

[beachmom]

4. What hogwash. We should defend Dems when they are being attacked unfairly.

The truth is Clark made a gaffe that forced the Obama campaign into damage control. The job of a surrogate is to further the candidate's campaign, not force them into having to make statements and deal with a mess.

I don't think we should be like Republicans. PERIOD.

[Frances]

7. By your logic, Obama is at fault for saying that

he doesn't look like the Presidents on bills.

Obama's comment was taken out of context just as Clark's was.

My point is that Repubs would love to run against Jesus. Think what they could do with the parable about the Good Samaritan (that foreigner!!) and especially that turn the other cheek stuff.

Dems need a consistent message: Repubs are great at personal attacks; they just don't know how to govern. Look at the mess Bush and Cheney and Karl Rove have made of this country.

[NNN0LHI]

17. don't think we should be like Republicans

That may have something to do with the reason we have suffered under Republican administrations 20 of the last 28 years.

They have the killer instinct. Our guys fold up like cheap accordions when someone accuses them of not playing fair.

Don

[Mass]

8. And Kerry has been doing that again and again for other Dems. A lot more than they have been

defending him.

This said, I understand why he did not dwell with this question. He was not there to defend Clark but as a surrogate for Obama.

[Loki]

9. To John Kerry and Tom Brokaw

......fuck you and the space you're wasting.

[Mass]

10. Well, Kerry does not waste any space. He defended Obama well, which is what he was there to do.

and not to start another discussion about Clark.

[Inuca]

15. How adult of you!

So because of one debatable point that you do not agree with (your right), you "throw him under the bus"? Nothing else matters, right? Fuck him! VERY smart.

[rasputin1952]

11. The truth of the matter is that being shot down, captured and

held as a POW for 5 1/2 years does not a president make, not even presidential material.

What McCain went through showed a level of stamina, it did not make him a "hero", he was doing what he was trained to do. Clark never disparaged McCains's service, he flatly stated that this is what McCain is using to show "credentials" for being president, and it falls flat.

Just about the only thing McCain has is his service record, which, really doesn't show anything exemplary, except that he pulled sailors from a fire on a carrier. That is certainly laudable
and he deserves credit for risking his life for his fellow men in uniform.

His record, especially recently, in the Senate shows me a man who benefited monetarily from his injuries, but votes against funding for those who are injured in the services today, what kind of vet does that? From his own experience, he should have been a forerunner in the legislation, instead, he became a barrier. I find that disgraceful behavior.

His record in the Senate to vote against virtually anything that benefits this nation as a whole is also something that should be scrutinized. Th5e man is little more than a freeloader on the public dole, just like his buddies in the bush administration. The man has no scruples, he is dishonest, he has far too may moments of disconnected thoughts in his "discussions" and he is little more than a self aggrandizing male version of a "Golddigger".

To top it all off, his is one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen. he has no vision, his "ideology" mirrors that of bush when he does bring it up and he has about charisma as a stick...not driftwood, mind you, but a simple stick.

[Windy]

12. John McCain's campaign is being run for the reality TV fans in this country

Of course, he better hope the reality TV fans who watch wife swap, the bachelor, american idol etc... get off of the couch and vote or the "surge" of thinking people going out to the polls may just bury his presidential aspirations!

[rasputin1952]

13. I see him as a sacrificial goat...the GOP knows it's going to take

a beating this election cycle, (unless they can pull off all of the voter registration scrubs and mess w/the touchscreens again).

mcCain is going to get slaughtered, I'm waiting for the first debate, it should be a bloodbath.

[spanone]

16. it's a good reason for him NOT to be president

[rasputin1952]

18. ...

:D

[SmileyRose]

14. Brokaw is unworthy of my time.

Even stopping to say so on this thread was a collasal waste of my energy. Brokaw is unworthy my contempt or hatred. He is just that kind of small.