Someone Please Explain To Me Why We Are Flying Into A War Zone...

[AllexxisF1]

Can someone please explain to me why we are sending our airmen into a war zone that is still for a better part "hot". I can understand the need for aid as soon as possible but shouldn't that be done by the Red Cross or the U.N.


or...


Is this the setup we have all been talking about, instead of Iran shooting at one of our ships instead it will be Russian shooting down one of our humanitarian planes.



Puppet Georgia is told to invade Ossetia -> Russia takes the bait and takes over the whole country -> U.S. sends in relief planes while its still hot and one gets shot down -> U.S. fires back at Russian war planes -> escalates to WW3 -> Bush stays in power and election is canceled.


This is like some bad dream.

[snappyturtle]

1. Nightmare. Am I wrong---->didn't Georgia do a lot of damage in

South Ossetia too?

[AllexxisF1]

4. Yes.

Yes they did ...probably under the advice from Darth himself.


I'm sorry but this just looks like the biggest con job to me. Do you all see it that way too?


This whole damn thing just plain looks manufactured.

[cliffordu]

19. No election for you. State of war soon and suspension of the Constitution.

[snappyturtle]

22. Absolutely it looks manufactured! Gee, one MORE time GWB is

out of Washington, D.C. and yet another disaster accrues.

[HEyHEY]

2. It's a "Thank-you" for Georgia being in Iraq and an assertion of union for the Russinas to see

[Junkdrawer]

3. Brinkmanship. Bush & Co have been faced by Putin. n/t

[Muttocracy]

5. it does seem like conflict w/ Russia instead of Iran...so far. nt

[Junkdrawer]

6. Time's running out. They have to skip over the Iranian foreplay...

and go straight to the Main Event.

[Muttocracy]

7. perhaps it turns out Georgia was more direct than Iran but same goal? nt

[Junkdrawer]

8. One wonders if Russia has been warning us off an Iranian attack all along. n/t

[bdamomma]

27. maybe some of us were paying to much attention to Iran

so the neo cons are going after Russia for the oil pipeline that goes through Georgia. More people getting killed, these monsters in our government must be stopped.

[doublethink]

9. Here's why.

on edit: to include a link .... some of this may be 'over the top' .... but maybe not? :shrug:


South Ossetia: superpower oil war
here ..... http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3615.shtml

[bdamomma]

28. It is all about the OIL

[seemslikeadream]

10. increases the possiblity of getting shot down?

:shrug:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. Simple. They are human trip-wires

Not to endorse or condemn the concept, just to explain it:

There cold war framework was about Russia's nuclear arsenal, not their ideology. All interactions were based on rules designed to trigger nuclear war, which were dampening rules since neither side wanted that outcome.

Notice that only one side would commit troops in a proxy war. Whoever got troops in first locked out the other side. Stalin promised aid to North Korea but didn't deliver it because he couldn't have Russians and Americans fighting each other directly. In Vietnam we got killed by plenty of Russian weapons, but not Russian troops. In Afghanistan Russians were killed by American weapons, but not troops.

(One concern during the Cuban missile crisis was that if we bombed the missile sites we would kill Russians, since their technicians and troops were the ones installing the missiles.)

American forces in Germany and South Korea are not expected to prevent invasions militarily. They are there as human sheilds... "You cannot invade this non-nuclear country without killing some soldiers from America who will then nuke you."

The point of sending Americans to Georgia is to say, "I you lob too many bombs in here you will eventually blow up American troops."

Again, not an endorsement of the policy, just an explanation.

[Mopar151]

12. Professional hostages

Like in "the Godfather"

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

14. A difficult concept to express on a recruiting poster!

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Two words:

OIL

PIPELINE

[ForrestGump]

15. Because someone never believed that this was just a film

with a lot of cool jets and excellent aerial footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

[TahitiNut]

16. I guess the United Nations humanitarian aid isn't available.

Gotta send our bombers, fighters, and cargo planes. :eyes:

[knitter4democracy]

17. There already are aid workers there.

The IOCC (International Orthodox Christian Charities) is already there and working with the refugees out of their offices in Moscow and Tblisi.

http://iocc.org/news/8-11-08georgia.aspx

I'm sure other aid organizations are there already, too. I'm not sure why we're sending stuff in now when things are still shaky.

[Mabus]

18. Because Bush is both an oilman and the war president

He only likes to go to war when oil is involved.

[14thColony]

20. Hard to see this as anything other than a provocation

News flash for the Bush cartel: unlike Iran, the Russians really DO have nuclear weapons. Lots of them.

[14thColony]

21. Something suspicious

I know a guy who knows a guy who said that the US military didn't want to send in the humanitarian flights until all hostilities were over and everything was safe. It appears they were overridden by someone in Washington...

[BlueCollar]

23. Gulf of Tonkin comes to mind...n/t

[bushisanidiot]

24. Neocons know they can't win elections with talks of peace. They need war to

further their agenda. It's all been set up for McCain to continue with their agenda. What I want to know is, did McCain proposition the president of Georgia, or did he proposition McCain?

[TexasObserver]

25. to wag the dog for a new war that the GOP can use for the election

[bushmeister0]

26. I have a theory:

While everyone is focusing on South Osseita and whether or not the Russians are pulling out of Gori, what's of espeical interest to me is the Russian occupation of the Black Sea port of Poti.

read this, from 1997:

"Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea coast, is the most important port in the Caucasus and is likely to become a major center for economic growth in the region with the development of offshore oil reserves in the Caspian Sea. Besides being well-suited to serve destinations in Georgia, Poti has serviceable road and rail links with Armenia and Azerbaijan, and is connected by sea with a growing list of major Black Sea ports. Regular passenger and cargo ferry service opened to Ilichevsk in Ukraine in December 1996. This route joins existing service to Burgas and Varna, Bulgaria, and Konstanza, Romania. Another container route to Istanbul is planned.

Poti's development potential, especially for infrastructure projects, has already begun to attract foreign companies. Sea-Land Services of the United States uses Poti as a key transshipment point for cargos from as far away as Central Asia. Sea-Land is also studying the modernization of piers and other port facilities. Bob Walsh Enterprises Incorporated of Seattle, Washington plans to develop a 200,000 square foot warehousing and distribution center in Poti. France's Alcatel Alsthom is planning investments in telecommunications in the city and is preparing to run an underwater fiber-optic cable from Poti under the Black Sea. Other U.S. and European companies are exploring projects that would lead to the development of Poti's port and infrastructure as a transportation hub for the Caucasus region."

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps3997/9704g2.htm

The Daily Telegraph reports:

"Just five months ago, Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili was touting a $70million deal which he hoped would transform the Black Sea port of Poti, creating 20,000 jobs over the next five years.

Under the deal Arab investors were set to plough $200million into developing a new port alongside the existing commercial port, trebling Poti's capacity to 25 million tonnes of cargo a year.

Now those plans could lie in ruins as the port has been cut off by advancing Russian troops. The 51,000 inhabitants of Poti will not remember the port's 150th anniversary with any affection.

. . . Independent experts said that the blockade of Poti would be felt across the regions as products shipped through the Black Sea port feed neighbouring countries Armenia and Azerbaijan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2541265/Georgia-Russians-close-off-strategic-Georgian-port.html

The Russians hold on to Poti, they have the entire region by the balls. That's why the US Navy is on it's way. Nevermind about the "humanitarian" flights, that's a sideshow. Let's see what happens when the US navy and the Russian Black Sea fleet start playing chicken with each other.

[Junkdrawer]

29. IMPORTANT INFORMATION - THE US NAVY IS ENTERING THE BLACK SEA...

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