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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 08:43 AM Original message |
FBI's "Smoking Gun" Against Ivins Evaporates |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Great post! Don't know why.... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. The FBI hounded a man to death. The WRONG man. |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. they do hound people |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. Every department in our government |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm surprised they're always caught flat-footed with their stories. However, they |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. A very correct, but very sad point |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. Then there's the question of the copier |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Good memory and good catch by suffragette |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. At the very least, was it on his way to the mail box |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It was probably a copy machine near Hatfill's home, lol. |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You know me |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Mabus: why wasn't there another attack between 10/06 and 10/26 |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I can think of several reasons |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. We don't know the whole first /second batch was gone and |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You are correct. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. If Ivans drove to NJ and copied the letters there |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The FBI would say he had been vaccinated, which is true. |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Very carefully |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. This is completely subjective so, bear with me for a sec. |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. And part of his management was therapy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Right. And when you have both hands that full |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
62. It was publicly solicited |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
52. I wouldn't expect |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Good points. -nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 05:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Envelopes were pre-franked. n/t |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. The envelopes were taped |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. I fear this story will die and everybody will just take the FBI's version at face value. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. There doesn't seem to be an alternative any more. |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. "they're still making it up as they go along" |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
8. playing the role of Lee Hamilton, Tom Daschle has seen all he needs to see. |
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Th1onein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
9. I KNEW there was something stinky about their case against Ivins |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. The anthrax mailings were probably another "Wag the Dog" move by BushCo and the admin HAD |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. The FBI does rime investigation like Creationists do biological research-- |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Hair Samples in Anthrax Case Don't Match |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Almost seven years, and they're still making it up as they go along. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. Dr. Ivins said he was in the lab late because things were not good at home. |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
20. Unfortunately they didn't completely screw up |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. I'm curious about the fascination at DU with proving Ivins's innocence. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It's not that he couldn't have done it. It's that they've "closed the case" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. It is the fact that, as with Hatfill, the claims about Ivins don't add up - |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Even with a deceased defendent, they can't make a case. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. While it's not totally impossible to prove a negative.. |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Anything is possible and this type of thing could happen to any of us |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
64. It certainly could! |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. If they wanted to, they could go after almost any of us |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. All I have seen is DUers questioning the 'lone gunman' theory. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Really? I guess I'm unfortunate enough to have missed every one of those posts. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I can't find any scientist/expert not connected to FBI that believes |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Ken Alibek, who is perhaps the top weaponized anthrax expert... |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Ivans as the scapegoat does not preclude the involvement of additional assassins, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Yeah, someone needs to remind the FBI the the presumption of innocence |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. The FBI's role is not to presume innocence. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Are those mutually exclusive? FBI doesn't operate in a vacuum |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Your post has to be the most self-contradictory I've seen at DU. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. No 'contradictions' were presented - you just did not comprehend for some reason. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Your grammatical analytical skills, unfortunately, are not your weakest point. |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. There is a range |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
54. it's not that he couldn't have done it... |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. As much as I agree with you, keep this in mind: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. It doesn't matter if the whole forum is done in Post-Modern Tinfoil. |
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Ennealogic (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
30. Ivins - Sole Culprit Not Possible |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Welcome to DU, Ennealogic. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
36. and no body to try in court, how convenient--friggin bunglers |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. Follow-up on seizure of library computers |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. They've spread more innuendo. Is that the purpose? |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Spreading more innuendo is always a top purpose for them. |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-14-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. According to the document |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
70. Ivins attorney should go public at some point--Mukasey is trying this thing in the Media |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
56. kr |
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WattleBreakfast (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
63. NPR yesterday... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. And it's about to get worse: FBI to get freer rein |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. And just in time for the elections |
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romulusnr (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-15-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
74. They fucking Guy Montag'ed this guy |
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