Reid on Lieberman: "No matter what it is, he's always with us. He just does not vote right on Iraq."

[oberliner]

Full quote:

"All my close votes, he's always with me, whether it's the budget or energy issues," Reid said. "No matter what it is, he's always with us. He just does not vote right on Iraq. ... Why would I want to throw away a good vote?"

http://blogs.courant.com/capitol_watch/2008/08/reid-sticking-up-for-joe.html

[marmar]

1. I don't know whether to laugh or cry......Reid is useless.

:spray: :cry:

[depakid]

10. Reid's working hard at selling out Democratic values since day one

and from Congress' approval polls, he's done a heck of a job. Takes a lot to earn approval rating even lower than Bush.

[MrModerate]

2. Reid.Must.Go.

It's a lot more than just counting votes on the fingers of one hand. Lieberman is a quisling. Sucking up to him makes dems look spineless and unprincipled.

Looking spineless and unprincipled is exactly what costs us elections even when dem policies are sound.

Character matters, Harry!

[bobbolink]

3. "dems look spineless and unprincipled."

I'm sorry to have to tell you this... it ain't just looks.

:(

[MrModerate]

23. Yeah, but if you can fake sincerity, you've got it licked.

If you can "envision" what being upright and principled would look like and model those behaviors, then a party might win a few elections and be able to implement its policies -- or a least hold off the worst depredations of the other party.

[bobbolink]

30. That's it... it's all about IMAGE, and ONLY about "image"

But, of course, the party isn't "shallow".....

:cry:

[MrModerate]

33. No, it's about image AND substance . . .

A successful party has to be able to manage both. Human beings respond to appeals from potential leaders with their heads and their hearts, in unequal measure. Denying that ensures you'll never be able to effect change because you'll never be in office.

[bobbolink]

34. You're right. I'll never be in office.

:wtf:

[JeffR]

4. This answers the question:

"Senator Reid, in 45 words or less, could you describe why you shouldn't be Majority Leader?"

[Phredicles]

5. You mean like for investigating what went wrong during Katrina?

Of course, that wasn't a vote; that was just preventing anything that might lead to a vote from taking place.

Some of the time I've spent slagging Pelosi should definitely have gone to slagging Reid. Worthless fuck.:grr:

[tannybogus]

6. What is wrong with Reid???

Are he and Joe BFF???
The first part of that quote is creepy."No matter what it is, he's always with us." Sounds like Joe is either God or mold.
:yoiks:

[OwnedByFerrets]

7. Spineless bastard!!

[Individualist]

8. "...he's always with us."

"us" is DLC. Of course Lieberman is always with them.

[mdmc]

9. I agree

We are better off with the big tent

[Hidden Stillness]

15. Do Not Agree

Although I agree that Lieberman actually has a very good voting record generally--always for women's rights, equal pay, abortion rights, gun control, alternative energy, school programs, such as Head Start and better lunches, more progressive tax system, unemployment benefits, poverty programs, etc.--and so I don't totally hate Lieberman the way many people here do, the things I really hate are the way Lieberman constantly undercuts Democrats for Republicans publicly, with comments about how supposedly vicious and partisan Democrats are, "politically correct," that stupid phrase, and now, speaking at the Republican convention, which is sickening to me. It is not "bi-partisan," that overrated pipe dream; it is a deliberate slap in the face. I also don't agree with your idea that this makes it a "big tent," unless you believe that Republicans/conservatives/neocons are the majority, which they clearly are not.

When Democrats retook Congress, 2006, with calls for real reform, getting rid of corporate lobbyists, etc., their poll/approval numbers were sky-high. The more they capitulated, caved, trembled afraid of Republicans, and told us how much they liked them and how they were going to work with them, their numbers crashed, to exactly the same level as Bush and Cheney's, and Republicans' generally. That is not opening up to a wider, larger audience or population; it is narrowing down to one. The mainstream, general population is mildly liberal; it is not corporate Republican--the more we fight them, the more the American people will rally to us.

[mdmc]

27. yup

that is also my reason for advocating for the inclusion of third parties. Those third parties bring new voters into the system. I think that there are many pro labor, liberal non voters out there in need of cultivation.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. I think the Bush crime family has some really nasty sex tapes of certain Dems.

That, or some dirty financial dealings that could land them in the pokey.

[Monk06]

12. Hey it's just Iraq, the biggest Corporate/Military ripoff in history, which is bankrupting the US.

No biggy.

[Solly Mack]

13. and when he speaks at the GOP convention?

will that show how much he is always with you?

When he gets up to speak and talks of how his party left him so he started a new party....will that show how much he is always with you?

When he speaks of how much better for the country the GOP candidate is over the Democratic candidate...will that show how much he is always with you?

When he speaks of policy matters that McCain would be ever so much better on than Obama....will that show how much he is always with you?

When he speaks on how it must seem strange that he's speaking at the GOP convention but how he simply must follow his conscience and speak for what's best for America......will that show how much he is always with you?

and if by some fluke McCain becomes president and Lieberman is rewarded with a cabinet position....will that show how much he is always with you?

[LeftishBrit]

14. He also supports the Republican candidate!!!

[oberliner]

18. And to think, he was Al Gore's running mate

That was only 8 years ago!

[Pushed To The Left]

24. Now he might very well be McCain's running mate! n/t

[defendandprotect]

16. So . . . we've just waited two years to see Reid/Pelosi do something . . .

and it's only NOW becoming clear that they are useless --- ????

I think we could have noticed that a while back --- ????

Now . . . is this a betrayal by Democrats yet --- ????

Anyone want to acknowledge that --- ????

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. Well, and he is planning to speak at the RNC

Does Reid think THAT is acceptable?

[orleans]

19. harry: then why is he throwing his support around at the REPUBLICAN convention?

(HARRY: YOU ASSHOLE!)

[ShenandoahAspen]

20. Yes he is so "with us"

...he is supporting the GOP candidate. :eyes: Gah, wtf is with Reid? Where is his backbone?

[Canuckistanian]

21. Meanwhile, he's on Hannity slamming ALL Dems

And doing his best Zell Miller impression.

Reid should pop a cap in his ass, legislatively speaking.

[That Is Quite Enough]

22. Wow. Nothing to say.

[trof]

25. There used to be something called 'principles' in politics.

But that was a long, long time ago.

[MiniMe]

26. I think that Joe is pressing the issue with him

He didn't promise the committee chairmanships back.

[magellan]

28. Incovenient truth: "No matter what it is, he's always with us."

That's meant to reflect well on LIEberman, but in fact it's the sad truth about the Dems and the way they vote....

[bdamomma]

29. oh crap, they are all delusional.

[The Stranger]

31. Get rid of that piece of shit Reid.

I guess cleaning house is going to be more thorough than I had thought.

[The Stranger]

32. Get rid of that piece of shit Reid.

I guess cleaning house is going to be more thorough than I had thought.