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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:50 PM
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Heartbreaking image of a loving mother struggling to accept her baby son is dead
Heartbreaking image of a loving mother struggling to accept her baby son is dead

Published Date: 19 August 2008
By Jenny Haworth

GANA the gorilla clutches her baby to her chest, clinging to the hope that the infant could still be alive. She holds the lifeless body up in the air, desperately trying to restore movement to his lolling head and limp limbs.
Then she puts the baby on her back and walks around, stopping to look at him after a few paces to see if he has recovered.

It is a sight that has reduced visitors at the zoo in Germany where Gana lives to tears.

The 11-year-old great ape's baby, Claudio, died suddenly in his mother's arms on Saturday at the age of only three months.

Like any mother, Gana had tended to him day and night, and she appears to be struggling to come to terms with the idea he is dead.

She has been guarding the body so fiercely that zoo keepers have been unable to take it away.

Dr Bill Sellers, a primatologist from the University of Manchester, said great apes become very attached to their young, in the same way that humans have a close bond with their children.

"There's a very strong bond between mothers and young in all great apes," he said.

"There is the same sort of biological role as with humans. Infants are helpless at birth and need to be looked after in exactly the same way."

Gorillas, the largest of the primates, have DNA that is 98 per cent identical to that of humans and they are our closest living relatives after chimpanzees. There is a similar gestation period before babies are born, the animals value familial contact and, like humans, they use tools.



Although there is no proof that gorillas feel grief, Dr Sellers believes they do go through emotions of pain and loss similar to humans. "It seems to me that it's very difficult, if you've ever been close to the animals, not to think they have emotions like ours. But, of course, it's extremely difficult to prove scientifically that they do," he said.

"My feeling would be that she would be going through very similar emotions to any mother."

He said it was normal for gorillas to carry the bodies of their babies around for a long time after they die.

"There are reported cases of it taking quite a long time for mothers to realise the infant is actually dead," he said. "You get the dead infant being carried around for a certain amount of time after death."

Jörg Adler, director of the zoo in Münster, suggested that visitors could benefit by watching Gana's reaction to her loss.

"Many of the visitors were themselves terribly shocked," he said.

"This, perhaps, is one of the greatest gifts that a zoo such as ours can bestow – to show that animals are very much like ourselves, and feel elation and pain. Gana lost a child, but I think, in that loss, she taught people here so much."

He went on: "Gana doesn't know it, but the whole of Germany is mourning with her. She is so sad right now."

Claudio appeared to be unwell last Wednesday, and by Friday, he was not eating or drinking properly and appeared to be getting weaker.

The zoo keepers kept a close eye on him, but he died suddenly on Saturday morning.

The cause of death will not be known until the body can be taken away from Gana for a post-mortem examination to be carried out, but it is thought Claudio could have suffered a heart attack.

It is the second tragedy for Gana. For reasons that are still unknown, she rejected her six-week-old daughter, Mary Zwo, last year.

The young gorilla was moved to a zoo in Stuttgart where she is healthy

**No source given, copied from an email I received**

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:56 PM
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1. When I was in vet school 25 + years ago they were quite firm in
teaching us that animals DO NOT have emotions. Of course, anyone who has really paid attention to pet cats in the home knows this is false - jealousy is common. And just try telling me dogs do not experience joy.

Comes as no surprise at all to me to see a gorilla struggle with grief and the pain of loss. They are ALMOST human.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:06 PM
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4. I can't imagine how anyone could say animals do not have
emotions, and trying to teach vets that is just plain stupid. Anybody who has ever had a pet knows better.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:09 AM
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10. The point is to make it easier to mistreat them.
You can't justify using them as cash crops/experimental subjects/spare parts etc once you admit that non-human animals have feelings.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:32 AM
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13. Yes, because we evil veterinarians are trained to be cruel to animals.
It's what we LOVE to do. The fact that we get filthy rich doing it is just icing on the cake.

:sarcasm:

I'd prefer to think you did not just deliberately insult my entire profession and call us a bunch of abusers.
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Liberal Lassie Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 02:50 PM
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30. I share this house with two people--my dear sweet Labrador and my
husband. My Husband is cruel, cold, abusive, uncaring unless it involves himself and treats me like I am something stuck to the bottom of his shoe. My Labrador is the joy and only blessing in my life with a pulse. She is so KIND to me that there is literally nothing I wouldn't do to make her happy. If she gently licks my hand at 3:00 in the morning (which she does) and asks to go outside to "potty" I will do it with love in my heart and a deeply felt hug both to and back from the yard. If my husband wants anything at 3:00 in the morning it usually begins and ends with a bruise. Who do you think I LOVE???
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:57 PM
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31. Kick that dog out of the house and just keep the Labrador.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:30 AM
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12. Everybody in class rolled their eyes at that one.
One of the few lines of BS in my entire 4 years.......it was mostly a fabulous education.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:55 AM
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23. I think it takes an exceptional person to become a vet. It's one
thing to have a pet and play with them and love them, but vets see animals when they are in the worst condition of their lives and they feel the pressure of doing something to help that animal. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for vets cause they have helped my loved ones get better and I love you guys for that. I have never met a vet I didn't like.:hug:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 02:04 PM
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28. Thank you for your kind words.
People often tell me they wanted to be a vet but they couldn't deal with the idea of euthanasia. I tell them that my job is all about preventing and relieving suffering, and when we can't help a suffering animal for whatever reason, then euthanasia is the kindest thing to do.

The hardest part of my job is seeing animals suffer needlessly due to an uncaring or irresponsible owner. Some people, for reasons unfathomable to me, bring kitty to he vet, but then won't do anything we recommend, even when money's not the issue.

It's a CAT, not a piece of furniture.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 02:27 PM
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29. Vets are heroes.
You don't have the money or status of human doctors, but I've met several veterinarians I'd rather have treating ME than quite a few people-MDs.

I don't see how anyone who believes animals don't feel emotions could possibly be a good doctor to them. Fortunately, I've never met anyone in the profession who believed that.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:29 AM
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11. Humans are animals...
...Humans have emotions. How arrogant and myopic is it then to assume other animals, especially primates and other socially oriented mammals, wouldn't share something similar?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:34 AM
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16. It's just that residual Christian literalist thing that makes some people
beliee that there is something extra special and unique about humans beyond our opposable thumbs and ability to speak.

You know, how we have a SOUL and no animals do......
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:02 PM
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2. Haven't been able to find the original but, Breitbart's got something ...
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:06 PM
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5. 2 more links ...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:03 PM
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3. That is so sad *sniffling*
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:07 PM
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6. Damn, this sucks.
I like to think I'm a tough guy, but I ran over a frog today mowing the lawn. It was pretty well chopped up, but still alive. It really bothered me, but I knew I had to put it out of its misery. Sucks when you read stuff like this.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:23 AM
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21. a pigeon flew in front of my car
i thought it would get out of the way, but it didn't. the sight of its dead body in my rear view mirror stays with me.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:08 PM
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7. Found it! The Scotsman!
Looks like Jenny Haworth likes to write about animals!

Along with her story about http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Heartbreaking-image-of-a-loving.4402681.jp">Gana, she has also written about http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Dolphins-teaching-each-other-tricks.4406653.jp">dolphins teaching each other tricks!


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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:34 PM
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8. The remaining Great Apes will inherit what remains of the Earth...
After this race of Great Apes destroys themselves.

I only hope that we don't destroy the Earth in the commission of our demise.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:03 AM
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9. So sad
:cry:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:34 AM
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15. Yes it is. I got so caught up trying to find the original link ...
... this reminds me of the time a human child fell into a zoo enclosure, injured himself and lay unconscious.

Before any of the handlers could get to the kid, one of the gorillas (I think it was a gorilla) sat over him protecting him from the other animals.

When the handlers did finally show up, she seemed to know they came to help and allowed them to take him away.

Animals know.

Anyone who says they don't feel are too wrapped up in their mythical ideologies to accept the world the way it is around them.

BTW, welcome to DU.


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:33 AM
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14. How bizarre is this?
The same gorilla previously rejected her live daughter, but can't let go of her dead son? What would cause this?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:07 AM
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25. Rejecting a baby is not very common. Hanging onto a dead baby
is pretty normal.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:12 PM
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32. She's an animal.
Primates reject their offspring -- not often, but it's not unusual, either.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:35 AM
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17. This made me snort...
..."Although there is no proof that gorillas feel grief..."

Technically, I can't "prove" any other human feels an emotion either, I can only rely on their word. Much as Koko the gorilla stated her grief when she lost her feline companion Ball.

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence derived from behavioral observation that indicates primates feel a range of emotions.


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pilar007 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:54 AM
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18. Yes, beautiful Koko
I have the National Geographic where she puts on lipstick and uses a pencil to pretend she is smoking after being caught trying to use the pencil to tear a screen. She says she wants to get married. She will call you "toilet head" if she gets mad at you. I love KoKo.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:11 AM
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27. My favorite was when she called Michael "dirty toilet devil"
because she wanted her snack and he wasn't cooperating by finishing his task. Allball was a close second, though. :)

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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:50 AM
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19. That's wonderful and all, but,
considering what we do to other humans who we know feel all kinds of things, methinks this isn't going to slow down our carnival ride of destruction anytime soon. The people who destroy wildlife will just find some other reason to exploit them, being intellectually consistent is not a large priority.

What we have to do is figure out why people like this rise to the top of societies and gain the power.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:17 AM
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20. How very sad
and yet it is hauntingly beautiful.
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finch96 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:28 AM
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22. sweet mercy
:cry: Omg, that's awful. That image made me feel nauseated. As the mother to two boys, one of them still a young infant, that image just broke my heart into a thousand pieces. I wish I hadn't looked. :cry: That poor mama. That's just awful.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:01 AM
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24. I read this story the other day
It's very sad. Very sad. :cry:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:09 AM
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26. ...
:cry:
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