Feds Will Pick Your Meds - New Evidence in Lindauer Case

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By Michael Collins



Article Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00157.htm

Plus - Susan Lindauer's statement: Surviving Carswell (federal prison) Diary of Political Prisoner & Accused Iraqi Agent Susan Lindauer

"The Dec. 23 medication report suggested a full spectrum of serious medications for Lindauer (antipsychotics, benzodiazepeines, mood stabilizers, antidepressants) . But the report recommended against "involuntary medication." This clearly indicated by a check in the box next to part "4. Findings," section "A." which states, "Involuntary medication is not approved" (see photocopy of report at top article).


Ggovernment psychiatrists at the Carswell FMC federal prison
recommended against forced medication.

"Yet in May 2006, during two hearings before then Federal District Court Judge Michael B. Mukasey, federal prosecutors argued that the medication mentioned above should be provided on an "involuntary" basis. This would have allowed Carswell staff to force these medications into Lindauer's body, orally or intravenously, against her will through methods required to overpower any physical resistance on her part."

Article Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00157.htm

[Me.]

1. Jesus Wept

Will no one rid us of these people

[autorank]

14. We're the ones' about 300,000,000 of us because

they're not going lightly...

But they will go.

[EFerrari]

2. The DX of PDNOS can be like "evil spirits" in the wrong hands. n/t

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15. Referred to in cross examination by Lindauers attorney as a "waste basket" diagnosis.

"Dr. Vas also testified at the hearing, and did so with the same bland assurance
and utter lack of substantiation."

Judge Mukasey commenting on the state's key witness to force medication on Lindauer.

UNITED STATES of America v. Susan LINDAUER, Defendant
No. S2 03 CR. 807(MBM). Sept. 6, 2006.

OPINION AND ORDER
MUKASEY, D.J.

[EFerrari]

18. It's cases like this that make me want to get credentials

because THIS is BULLSHIT. :grr:

[moriah]

27. I briefly had a diagnosis of PDNOS.

That was until they got ahold of my medical records, saw that my doctor had me on unGodly amounts of Xanax, and then asked me if I was taking it.

"Uh, no, he gave it to me for sleep and it wasn't doing any good anymore, so I quit."

Heh.

Stupid me. (It was amazing how quickly the 10-and-2 brought me back to reality, too bad they thought it was the 10 mg of Haldol that did it, and not the 2 mg of Ativan. I quickly deteriorated on just Haldol. Abrupt benzodiazapine withdrawal is nasty, they tell me I was lucky I just went psycho instead of going into grand mal seizures.)

[EFerrari]

31. The withdrawal from Xanax is horrible and can injure your nervous system.

That must have been awful! :hug:

[moriah]

37. It definitely went into the category of NotFun.

There were funny parts to the experience -- like when they didn't believe I was really married. (Truth is stranger than delusion, I really was married to an immigrant doctor who was currently living in New York getting our place set up for me to move up there. "Delusions of grandeur" my ass.)

Worse was when I had a really bad reaction to the Haldol, started spiking a fever and having absolutely horrible muscle spasms. It's called Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome. Can be fatal. I was lucky that my roommate in the ward brought it to the attention of the nursing staff when she tried to get me out of bed to go eat dinner. I couldn't make my body move right. She tried to bend my legs, couldn't make my knee bend even with force, and screamed for the nurses. (It was about that time that they finally bothered to call my regular doctor.)

The moral of the story -- Xanax is bad.

But that is why I responded so strongly to the idea of someone forcibly drugging a person with antipsychotics. Those things really can kill people. They're great for most people who really need them. But even people who really need antipsychotics can develop really bad neurological problems.

If the drugging is done solely to prosecute her and not actually for her well-being, it should not be done. Period.

[althecat]

3. You are making the NYT look like dim witted fools Michael....

It is a crying shame the state of (y)our media these days.

alastair

[kimmerspixelated]

13. More like, it's a crying shame

when government controls our bodies.

[Me.]

23. I Second That

Have you sent your pieces to them?

[bleever]

4. Such an incredibly horrific story.

K&R for this fine work.

[autorank]

33. Isn't it though.

And they keep denying her requests for a trial. Go figure.

[formercia]

5. They wanted to fry her brains so she couldn't remember anything.

The boys like to do that to people that are a threat to them. I speak from first-hand experience.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. They learned their lessons well.

MKULTRA and the tips and pointers they got from the KGB/NKVD.

[autorank]

17. It's so unbelievable even when you see it on the inside uless,

as you have, it's experiential knowledge.

How do these people put head to pillow at night and fact themselves in the morning?

[formercia]

21. They're on a mission from God.

Any means justifies the end, whatever that is.

[H2O Man]

6. Brutal.

Simply brutal.

Nominated.

[formercia]

7. Doesn't this remind you of the former Soviet Union?

where dissidents were sent to 'Psychiatric' facilities where they were pumped full of psychotropic drugs until they were vegetables and no longer a threat to the system.

[H2O Man]

8. Yes, it does.

I'm also reminded of the 1958 study by Princeton University social scientist Gresham M. Sykes, titled "The Society of Captives." In it, he compared prisoners to slaves in the Deep South, and advocated the use of solitary confinement and/or the "exile" to psychiatric facilities for inmates who weere identified as "leaders" among the inmate population. My friend Rubin was subjected to this type of brutal mistreatment. It's painful to read about, though of course I recognize the value of the OP, and appreciate that he provides this high quality of information on DU.

[formercia]

9. I had it done to me.

I still suffer terrible flashbacks from the chemical agents I was unknowingly exposed to.

[ihavenobias]

10. K & R, another good post Auto

[bobthedrummer]

11. K&R + a pair of related articles from Cheryl Welsh's Mind Justice

"Nonconsensual experiments are unconstitutional but recent changes in the law allow just that" by Cheryl Welsh (Mind Justice August 2008)
http://www.mindjustice.org/unconstitutional.htm

"In Contravention of Conventional Wisdom" by Cheryl Welsh (Mind Justice January 2008)
http://www.mindjustice.org/wisdom.htm

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19. Thanks for sharing that.

The abject cruelty of mistreatment in the name of professional standards, i.e., court psychiatry, or
in the name of the law, grotesque prisons, is one of the enduring tragedies of all time.

[shifting_sands]

12. How many more

I wonder how many have been shuttled away like this since 9/11. So many were rounded up off the streets and have not been heard of since. The strength and ability for her to overcome fear after what she's been through is no less than amazing. Good work and hope this continues to get out to the mainstream.

Insanity wielded through power is nothing new, in fact the transcripts and government held information regarding the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were released this week and following review it was concluded the government may indeed probably did not have a case against Ethel Rosenberg, but she was sentenced to death with her husband anyway in 1953. Who knows or who cared at the time what either of them experienced before their death.

We may not be able to help or save all of them but my sincere hope is Susan Lindauer will be one of the ones to win and god help those left behind at Carswell Texas

[EFerrari]

20. kick

[Joe Chi Minh]

22. I hope and pray that one day those psychos will be brought to book.

A secure mental institution for the violently insane would seem to be appropriate.

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24. Or just a prison for all the deaths

Isn't this an outrage. Endless efforts to drug one woman who just wants a day in court.

That might prove embarrassing given the witnesses who may be called.

But what a sad story this is, shameful for those involved.

:hi:

[Joe Chi Minh]

35. Ahoy, there! Waving back, shipmate. Oh, by the way, I didn't realise your

rascally colonial pirates made such rich pickings from our own poor innocent seaborne wayfarers... That pirate book's a gem all right, Mike.

[autorank]

25. Kick

:kick:

[autorank]

26. x2

:kick::kick:

[Usrename]

28. There really are monsters out there.

The depths of their depravity know no bounds.

[suffragette]

29. This is terrifying

and the media here seem determined to ignore and/or distort this.

[formercia]

30. When deep and dark secret information does Susan Lindaur keep?

that Bush Gang are willing to destroy her life to keep her from being taken credibly by the World.

Let there be no mistake. Even if Susan Lindaur manages to keep from being involuntarily drugged int oblivion, the financial burden posed by her legal expenses will ruin her.

This is what is going to happen to you if you buck the 'System.'

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32. Yesterday, an eniment psychiatrist testified that Lindauer was

competent to stand trial. There's one more hearing and the Judge has to decide if a trial goes
forward. There's no reason it shouldn't.

[formercia]

34. I guess no forced medications now.

Half the battle won already.

[autorank]

36. The shrink is from DC and he's a heavy hitter. He was right down the

line on the competence to stand trial. I'm told that the Judge asked him a bunch of questions, which tells me that she is just covering herself and plans to rule for competence. All the Maryland therapists and a Maryland psychiatrist agree substantively with the latest expert. The only people who said Lindauer was incompetent for trial were NYC court appointed psychiatrists. Interesting isn't it. Does "court appointed" in NYC do something to your judgment?

[formercia]

38. It does if 'Gravedigger' Mukasey is the judge.

Didn't he pick the panel of shrinks to evaluate her?