Read This Tonight - Chillingly Similiar

[JfortheDonks]

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/ends.htm I read this tonight, and it's chillingly similiar to what's now going on in the U.S. as far as how Hitler took advantage of things when the Great Depression began, etc... I wanted to remind everyone of REX 84-FEMA and the Executive Orders - that if Martial Law is enforced, the ACH system can be froze, etc..., and that the Constitution and Bill of Rights would be suspended, and there wouldn't be anything Congress could do about it for at least 6 months. How many Americans know about this sruff?! I stumbled across it by accident about 7 years ago, and what's going on now gives me the creeps!!! I hope and pray that we even have an election in November. I don't trust GWB, and would somebody wake me up when it's all over, please?! The article is long, but if you start at this point in the index, you'll see the similarities.

[liberalmuse]

1. Shit!

I don't know what to say, except for 'Thank you' for this link.

[calimary]

2. Yeah. I've been wondering about exactly this.

My husband said, long ago, that he thought we might not have an election this year. bush would declare martial law and call off the elections and effectively install himself as dictator. Notice the numbers turning toward Obama? It's not over yet. Wonder what they'll try to get away with as they grow more desperate?

[melody]

3. The backbone of our military and the decent Intelligence people too in the know to be kicked out

That's all that's protecting us from the inside. That is all that kept us out of war with Iran.

[noise]

4. Why would Congress accept such a decree?

I guess it would come down to force. But short of that, why on earth does Bush deserve to have his fascist orders obeyed? One corrupt man with no qualification for high office who acts in bad faith, doesn't believe in Constitutional limits to his power and doesn't respect soldiers...that is the guy who gets to declare martial law?

The mentality is outrageous...Bush gets to break laws and betray the public yet there is no accountability, but Bush should have the discretionary power to declare martial law and round up citizens as if they were terrorists?

I don't understand the loyalty to Bush and Cheney. It's not politics as usual. They do not act in good faith.

[DCKit]

5. So the guy with a 19% approval rating (if you believe the polls)...

is going to take over JUST LIKE HITLER?

As much fun as this conspiracy shit is, it's not original and there's quite enough fear mongering going on already. My sister was sending links like this about Clinton using FEMA to take over in the 90's, still thinks the X-Files was a documentary series and, I'm sure, will be voting (R) in November.

While I'd be a lot happier with Dumbya in custody, the assumption that he could pull this off is ludicrous - he simply doesn't have the support or the credibility at any level that would make a takeover plausible. Sure, he's stupid enough to try, but it wouldn't last a day.

[PurpleChez]

15. Is he really down to 19%?

Day-im!

[no_hypocrisy]

6. In 2000 my 80 year old uncle warned me about REX 84 and the FEMA camps.

I was skeptical, especially as he was adamant about my knowing about all this. I did my research and found he had a basis for his fear.

I worry about the borders being closed and no hope of leaving once there is martial law.

[JfortheDonks]

7. FEMA Coffins YouTube Video Link - What's Up With This Do You Think?!

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/epMeGr-wDc0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/epMeGr-wDc0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> I found this on the following link: http://www.uaff.us/deathcamps.htm. Everyday you find out something else that makes you wonder what's up?! While it all could be far fetched stuff, etc..., I still do not think we should underestimate someone who's grandfather helped finance Hitler's agenda - look up and do your research on Prescott Bush. If you do read through the Executive Orders carefully, and with the border patrol, surveillance cameras everywhere, seriously: if Martial Law was ever enforced, and gas stations shut down, grocery stores shut down, bank accounts froze, all means of communication shut down, your electric shut down, how long do we all think we could last in our homes or places where we live for long?! I think it would be a fairly easy thing for them to do if they really want, and when it comes down to our life or theirs, whose do you think they'd choose?! I have no clue what I'd do if any of this stuff occurred with 2 sons, one who is severely disabled, being a single mom now. When you think about all of the issues with Social Security, down sizing of jobs, wages frozen, everything else going up in cost, and I remember, a census was taken before Bush first got in if you all recall, too, would they really do something this drastic to get the population under control, etc??? I also know that history tends to repeat itself, and my intentions are not to cause panic or anything, but I think knowledge can be power, and 9-11 - was that a test to see how we'd all react to some degree? They shut down the airports, and everyone was scared to death during all that and did what they were told. Look at how the grids went down a couple of times, too, and I think this link is some good food for thought, something to be aware of, and whether any of it ever really happens or not, it's never a good idea to give too much power to anyone!!!

[Name removed]

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[Indenturedebtor]

9. Oh come on, the mods only lock racist bullshit for the most part

Conspiracy theories abound on DU.

[Name removed]

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[Indenturedebtor]

12. We were given a few weeks after the primaries to tone down the vitriol against the clintons

Was locked for the sake of party unity. As this is a progressive site we support the Dem nominee - and part of that involves not alienated 48% of Dem voters. Though I'm not a big fan of many Clinton actions I can see the reason for it.

[Gramps911]

14. So you are basically censuring.

Maybe the other person has a concern on the topic? Are we not allowed to think for ourselves? A web site for Democrats that doesn't allow open thought and freedom of speech?

[Indenturedebtor]

16. It allows for such within bounds. There are many places on the internet to discuss such things

And one could discuss such things all day and night during and before the primaries. But we unify for a few months during the GE. Most people here are involved to some extent with the campaign. This isn't just a forum really, so helping to channel that is a good thing :shrug:

[Gramps911]

17. So you admit to censuring

OK that is honest, not exactly in the patriotic spirit of this country but straightforward. Like minded, same views, I get it. Thanks

[Indenturedebtor]

18. Haha I'm not a monitor, but certain things are out of bound during the election season

Just like porn is out of bounds all the time. So are racist comments and certain types of stupidity. There's a time and a place for everything.

Can I walk into your house and poop on your rug? No? Well then you're infringing on my rights as a free man. ;)

[Gramps911]

19. Your a radical

and you speech proves it.

[Indenturedebtor]

20. How is that? Please do explain.

I was simply trying to make the point that this board exists to further Progressive ideals and the Democratic Party in general. It doesn't exist to talk about every little thing under the sun, though most things can be and are in fact discussed here from cooking to conspiracy theories.

How does what I said make me a radical?

Are you *gasp* a Republican?

Usually when a Republican doesn't want to discuss something anymore they hurl an insult. No offense but I'm getting a little suspicious here ;)

[Gramps911]

21. Impossible

you have to be able to think. It is my house and you say I am infringing on your rights if you come and poop in my house. I censure my house. No you can not come poop in my house. What grade are you in?

[Indenturedebtor]

23. That's exactly my point. This is a site with a purpose

Therefore it comes with certain ground rules. It is not an extension of the government but is instead a quasi private club. There is nothing unpatriotic about setting ground rules so that things run smoothly.

I'm 29 going on 12 by the way ;)

[Gramps911]

26. A purpose of screening people with different thoughts

and ideas. You want a web site of like minded thoughts and like minded ideas. You really need to allow freedom of expression and thought here if you truly want to be a Democratic web site. Tone down the insults and innuendos on people who oppose the bailout, or is that part of your screening also. Letting people call them idiots and other labels should no be acceptable. But like you said it's your house and you censure, I get it now. You could end up with a house of poop. Think of that.

[Indenturedebtor]

28. I don't censor anyone. But I think the mods get it right most days

Not everything is appropriate for every website. There seem to be three basic rules here:

1) Don't spread rightwing propaganda.
2) Don't spew bigoty all over the place
3) During election season support the nominee

As this is Democratic Underground as in Democratic Party Underground, I don't see what's so constraining about that? Calling people idiots is allowed though, as are many other insults. Though when something devolves into a "flamewar" of useless name calling usually it's shut down... Personally I'm not a big fan of the bailout, but if I were you I wouldn't let anyone shout you down if that's how you feel about it. I'm sure they didn't lock the thread simply because you're against the bailout.

[krispos42]

25. This is a private message board

The owners set the ground rules for discussion and the moderators enforce them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[Gramps911]

22. Who gave you that commanding order?

[Indenturedebtor]

24. The moderators who own and operate this site

And keep us from ripping each other's throats out. Again Democratic Underground isn't just about discussion. People actually use it to coordinate everything from phone, letter, and email campaigns to protests, fundraising, etc. It is important during election season that things stay civil so that the real work that happens here can continue.

In case you haven't noticed the Republicans have been ruining this country for 8 years and would love to continue until we all live in cardboard boxes... why help them out by picking fights with your allies over things that don't really matter?

[Gramps911]

27. and just what are those peoples names

or is that a secret? Hmmmm.....

[Indenturedebtor]

30. Hehe I know that Skinner is one. He's the big cheese if I'm not mistaken n/t

[fla nocount]

29. You should probably take softer steps coming through the door.

The whole point of cross-dressing is to keep them guessing.

[ThomWV]

10. Might I remind you all that the Constitution provides no provision for its own suspension?

[slackmaster]

13. The tinfoil hat crowd won't hear it, ThomWV

:tinfoilhat: