If Dems give sizable chunk of money to Wall St. & GOP opposes it, Dems be tied to Bush in election

[yurbud]

since most people only remember the last news cycle.

Dems are being snookered here. It's a no lose proposition for Bush and Wall St--the worst that could happen is they not get the money.

If they hadn't created the crisis, they would have been subject to re-regulation anyway but wouldn't have got a bonus check from us for enduring it.

[swag]

1. That's why Pelosi won't budge without at least 100 R votes.

[Redbear]

3. Exactly. Speaker Peplosi has done a lot I disagree with

but she is extremely politically savvy. She will not the House GOP get away with their little games.

[screembloodymurder]

23. Fuck the vote! Stand on principle.

She makes me sick.

[EV_Ares]

2. That is why it will be bi-partisan, both sides will own it, not just one side and this

will be a crisis that Bush owns and McCain with all of his deregulation.

The dems are seen as they only can be. They have to do something and they cannot let the country go down in flames.

[Romulox]

5. Do you understand politics AT ALL? The Republicans aren't going to bail Obama out on this. nt

[leftofcool]

7. Exactly

[EV_Ares]

11. In answer to your question, yes I understand politics. Evideently, you dont and

who said anything about republicans bailing out Obama.

It will be bi-partisan and if you were just listening to Reid, you might know that.

[Romulox]

12. Reid is a Democrat. In order to be "bipartisan", Repubs will have to join him in supporting this.

"who said anything about republicans bailing out Obama."

Check the headlines. Dems (including Pelosi, Dodd, Schumer, Reid, Obama) want this bailout now; House Repubs are opposing.

"It will be bi-partisan and if you were just listening to Reid, you might know that."

Reid sounded like he was whining, not winning. :hi:

[EV_Ares]

13. So, as I said evidently you are the one who doesn't understand politics, it

will be bi-partisan when it is done. Everyone already knew about the house republicans.

So, what else is new. Doesn't mean it wll not get done after all of the postering and again it will be bi-partisan.

[Romulox]

14. What part about "the votes aren't there right now" do you not understand?

[EV_Ares]

15. Look it is evident you have no idea what is going on & no understanding about the process, go argue

with someone else, appears most understand it ok. So what, hell, everyone knows the votes are not there right now. That has nothing to do with nothing.

It is about the bill will go down as a bi-partisan bill.

Have a good day and go to class.

[Romulox]

16. I love when people get frustrated when others interject facts.

And Reid just came on TV to say that there is no bipartisan bill at this time.

:silly: :hi:

[EV_Ares]

17. Again, you are unbelievable. That is correct none "at this time".

If it was, everything would be done wouldn't it.

[Romulox]

18. So your over-emotive posts to this thread are nothing more than ill-founded PREDICTIONS, huh?

:P

[EV_Ares]

19. No just trying to help someone that is evidently clueless about DC politics.

However, that is rather a waste of time. Have a good day.

[yurbud]

20. bail obama out? how is he on the hook?

[Romulox]

21. Because he has come out in support of a bailout, and McCain has pulled back: rope a dope. nt

[Romulox]

4. It's not a trap if you can see the open pit right in front of you!

Like trade, the Iraq War, the War on Drugs, Civil Liberties, deregulation and (no!) UHC, add the fatcat bailout to the things the Dem leadership agree with Bush on.

[navarth]

6. I recommend this thread for more perspective

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7194830

[karynnj]

8. If the Republicans aren't going to join, Dodd et al should write a real Democratic

bill - putting back in the stuff to renegotiate mortgages. Not only might it work better - as the redone mortgages will likely mean less real losses, it should be something that can be sold on its merits.

[Romulox]

9. Who's stopping them? Hmmm? (Hint: it's the powerful monied interests that finance them.)

[brentspeak]

22. Exactly. Plus, they can add on a whole lot more

Things like capping credit card interest rates, eliminating any tax credits to companies who off-shore, etc. Might as well make the bitter pill a little less bitter.

[karynnj]

24. I remember the bankrupcy bill

when Kennedy was on the floor of the Senate with amendment after sensible amendment each defeated in turn.

It sounds like instead, the House Republicans are the ones trying to use that technique - wanting to add their stuff in return for grudging support.

[adamuu]

10. As I've said, zugzwang n/t

[radfringe]

25. the only way out of the political pickle

is to continue to work on a bailout plan, but not submit it to a vote until after the economy completely collapses.

then the dems come out and say "we wanted to do something to help, but the republicans wouldn't go along, and now we are in a bigger mess"