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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:38 PM
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Poll question: Theology on DU......
This poll is inspired by Religulous, which I feel compelled to see again. How would you describe yourself when it comes to religious (or lack thereof) beliefs?


Are you......
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:43 PM
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1. Disgusted with Republic Party pulpit pimps!
I'm tired of Republic Party monoplization of Christianity. So sick of hearing "Jesus Hates You" from the pulpits of these pimps!
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:37 PM
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34. I absolutely CRINGE
with the thought of beginning any sentence with "God Hates" or "Jesus Hates"! The fundies say that all the time...They have NO idea what being Christian is all about!...God does NOT hate! Period! Fundies hate. God does not.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:10 PM
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45. absolutely true. I am a Christian leaning toward spiritualism because
of this.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:00 AM
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95. I am fortunate enough
to be in an area where I have a choice of churches to attend. The one I chose, some 33 years ago, is a liberal leaning United Methodist Church. I drive 5 miles to get there, and there are at least 3 others closer to me, but the day I walked into that church, in 1975, I knew that would be my spiritual home.

Look around...I'm sure you will find a home you like.
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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:43 PM
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2. I'm not so proud of my cognitive abilities to say I know all the answers.
I expect to be pleasantly surprised.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:44 PM
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3. I am reminded of the computer screen
in the Lincoln Museum in springfield Illinois.

There is a room which shows the total deaths for both the north and the south. At first, you get this thrill, as though it were a horse race. Then, you realize that each blast represents more dead. and then more dead. and then many more dead.

Sorry to those who believe, but I admit to having serious disagreements with organized religions, christianity in particular. I look at Silly Sarah, and I feel for her kids. Growing to think that creationism is science, that the world is coming to an early end because her good collection of fairy tales tells her that, and that because the Russian orthodox and some british bishop added up the names in their collection, the universe is either 7000 or 9000 yrs old. Bullshit.

So, watching this "race" gives me the same thrill and chill as the Lincoln museum, and not in a good sense.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:03 PM
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18. so the disorganized ones are better?
You think everyone who answers "Christian" believes the same things that Sarah claims to? How much do you think those Foma really matter?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:20 PM
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23. No, tis BELIEF in some fictional character to which I object.
Organized religions simply magnify and make far worse the excesses, the crimes against humanity, the devastation that christianity has caused in the past 2000 yrs. Were it not for 500 years of the Dark Ages, (Wil and Ariel's estimate is closer to 1000 yrs of terror) just imagine how far humanity would have gone. No mass killing of women for witchcraft, no spanish inquisition, no stoning of women in Plymouth, no anti-science actions, torture, killings because someone had an idea that differed from their "good" book. Even today, we have to fight each and every day to prevent creationism and intel design from polluting our schools. Even today, we have an active religious based insurrection, plotting to make their bible the law of the land. Those who press their beliefs on others are evil, all of them, but some simply don't realize it. Instead, they think of it as doing the lord's work.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:12 PM
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47. that is the result of evil people using religion as a justification. there
is no reason to hate belief. belief is wonderful. However, some have co-opted religion as a cover for their hatred.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:12 PM
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59. you may be right. I believe
I will pour myself a drink.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:27 PM
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62. cheers. :)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:28 PM
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63. have you read Will and Ariel?
Religion did not cause the Dark Ages. In fact, it was the churches who preserved the classics of Greece and Rome. You make a list of outrages supposedly caused by religion. Even if you are correct about the cause, the sum of victims from your list seem to be less than the dead and wounded from last years automobile accidents. You cannot blame WWI or WWII on religion can you? Were those religious wars? What about Vietnam, where over 2,000,000 died? What about the gulag and purges of Stalin which may have killed over 20,000,000? Did that happen because of Stalin's belief in a fictional character? Organized religion has also sent and inspired many people to care for the poor, sick, and wounded.

Pressing belief on others is evil, you say, and yet you want to press your unbelief on others. You object to their beliefs.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:48 PM
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yup, I have. all volumes. great stuff. as good as Winnie's history of WWII
no matter how he glossed over some key issues, differences, and mistakes he made. Wil and Ariel aren't perfect, but they are damned good, and a nice reference point from which to start. But no matter how careful they are/were, it does not mean they were infallible. I suspect that they repeatedly toned down criticism of the church simply to get published.

WWII was, according to a growing number of historians, nothing more than a continuation of WWI. Were there religious aspects to it? OF COURSE there were. TO deny that is foolhardy and uninformed.

So, you grab onto an argument that because Stalin killed more, christianity should be less culpable for the millions it killed and tortured? I call bullshit on that. Dead is dead, regardless of the cause. If you want to talk true preservation, look to the Irish. No, the real history of the Vatican (no matter whether it was partying in France or Italy at the time) is one of destruction, blood and hiding information. How many "gospels" were deliberately destroyed by church powers during the first 7 centuries? Why did the winners in those battles resort to blood, torture, murder and rape to ensure that their gospel succeeded, and competing ones failed? Why was it necessary to have a Council of Nicea, or a Council of Trent? Oh, wait, I KNOW! I KNOW! Because each and every word in today's gospel is irreverant. No, that's not it. You know what I refer to, right? the 1973 Chicago Statement on the bible's inerrancy? I was here when they met, and luckily I did not know they were here at the time. I would have been protesting their meeting.

Tell me where science was supported by Christianty (although even I admit that today's vatican observatory is staffed with superb physicists, astronomers, and astrophysicists, even though some of them are men of the clothe. Having met several, I will admit that they put science in a proper perspective, searching for answers, theorizing from glimpses of data, and willing to test new theories and ideas. But that is now, not 400 or even 200 years ago.

I think that a serious argument can be made that Stalinism, and the cult of Mao suffered from the same disease, and that it differs not at all from religious bigotry and murderous urges. In fact, I think we can view them as identical in some respects. The same intolerance, the same thirst for blood, especially if some refuse to follow the chief preacher's wishes, the same enslaved mentality and small-minded bigotry that Christianity has displayed for its entire history are no different than Stalinism or Mao's Great Leap or cluster-fucked revolution.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:45 PM
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4. I'm a recovering Fundie...
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 01:45 PM by Juniperx
Now Agnostic. I do like reading about Hinduism and Buddhism though. They seem to be kinder, gentler religions and are sans fire and brimstone. I love the writings of Jalāl ad-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī also, and I find the Sufi philosophy soothing as well.



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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:50 PM
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8. Rumi wrote some beautiful stuff. Have several translations,
each slightly different

Of course there are some beautiful words in that christian fairy tale, too, as well as great poetry in the Quran.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:02 PM
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16. Not to mention the soft porn in Song of Solomon;)
I never understood why that was left in there... unless someone in King James band of merry editors just didn't get it:)

I'm partial to the translations by Coleman Barks. Here's a new fav:

God has given us a dark wine so potent that,
drinking it, we leave the two worlds.

God has put into the form of hashish a power
to deliver the taster from self-consciousness.

God has made sleep so
that it erases every thought.

God made Majnun love Layla so much that
just her dog would cause confusion in him.

There are thousands of wines
that can take over our minds.

Don't think all ecstacies
are the same!

Jesus was lost in his love for God.
His donkey was drunk with barley.

Drink from the presence of saints,
not from those other jars.

Every object, every being,
is a jar full of delight.

Be a conoisseur,
and taste with caution.

Any wine will get you high.
Judge like a king, and choose the purest,

the ones unadulterated with fear,
or some urgency about "what's needed."

Drink the wine that moves you
as a camel moves when it's been untied,

and is just ambling about



Mathnawi IV, 2683-96
The Essential Rumi, Coleman Barks


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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:20 PM
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24. gorgeous. simply gorgeous.
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Stump Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:11 PM
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20. I'm on the same path...
really interested in Buddhism right now. So different from western religions.
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:16 PM
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49. Me too on both counts
Raised a hard core fundie, now agnostic.

Have you read anything about the Bah'ai Faith? My girlfriend was raised Bah'ai, and I suppose if I were to ever become anything again it would be Bah'ai. A VERY inclusive and non-confrontational religion.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:13 PM
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60. No, I'll put that on my list
Thanks:) I love reading about such things. Funny how the hard core fundie deal turns so many off... the hypocrisy really freaked me out.



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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:45 PM
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5. Buddhism. No God and it has a sense of humor.
And, as an extra treat, it actually makes sense.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:28 PM
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28. Big ferry boat or little ferry boat?
:silly:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:23 PM
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53. The Big Ferry has more comfortable accomodations.
At least for a rather bemused practitioner of Zen like me. And, saying one is a Buddhist to the Watchtower deliverers produces such entertaining looks of perplexed horror.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:00 PM
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58. Indeed. And the saffron is more expensive on the little ferry boat.
Besides ... my neighbors don't get to look forward to roasting marshmallows at my self-immolation, either.

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ksilvas Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:46 PM
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6. The only religion that I've ever really considered worth thinking about ..
is Taoism. Mainly because there isn't really a specific text.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:27 PM
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27. I find a LOT in Taoism and Buddhism that resonates with my beliefs.
I find very little in the prescriptive, dogmatic, autocratic 'religions' of much merit. I'm far more inclined to rely on the nurtured 'inner experience' than on the simplistic compliance.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:46 AM
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91. Have you ever heard of the book The Years Of Rice And Salt?
The author, Kim Stanley Robinson, has major Buddhist/Humanist themes running through all his books, but The Years Of Rice And Salt really touches on it the most. He's normally a writer of "hard" sci-fi, but this one is more spiritual than scientific (though good science abounds in the book). It's an alternate history novel where the Black Death killed 99% of Europe's population (instead of the 1/3 that actually died). Because of this Christianity never becomes much more than a footnote in history. The book is a tour de force of epic scope (in spans about 700 years), and has one hell of a poetic ending.

Here's some details from wiki about it;

The novel follows a jāti of three to seven main characters and their reincarnation through the centuries in very different cultural and religious settings. The book features Muslim, Chinese (Buddhist, Daoist, Confucianist), American Indian, and Hindu culture, philosophy and everyday life. It mixes sophisticated knowledge about these cultures in the real world with their imagined global development in a world without Western Christendom.

The main characters, marked by identical first letters throughout their reincarnations, but changing in gender, culture-nationality and so on, struggle for progress in each life. Each chapter has a narrative style which reflects its setting.
===
Key issues of the novel are multiculturalism; progress and science; alternate history; philosophy, religion and human nature; politics; feminism and equality of all humans; the quest for freedom; and the struggle between technology and sustainability.
===
"My feeling is that until the number of whole lives is greater than the number of shattered lives, we remain stuck in some kind of prehistory, unworthy of humanity's great spirit. History as a story worth telling will only begin when the whole lives outnumber the wasted ones. That means we have many generations to go before history begins. All the inequalities must end; all the surplus wealth must be equitably distributed. Until then we are still only some kind of gibbering monkey, and humanity, as we usually like to think of it, does not yet exist."

===
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Years_of_Rice_and_Salt

I've already read it three times since it came out in 2002, and I get more from it each time. It's a fascinating, though at times dry, novel that packs more ideas into it than any other ten novels combined.

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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:47 PM
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7. Unitarian Universalist
with pagan leanings
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:50 PM
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9. Pagan/Wiccan
:patriot:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:53 PM
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10. Very liberal Christian. More in line with the general spirit of the universe/the force
sort of thinking (with some m-theory thrown in), but I still refer to that energy with Christian terminology because a) that's the first spiritual language I learned for speaking of and to God, and b) it's what most of the rest of my family speaks so I continue to use it in order to maintain religious communication with them.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:55 PM
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11. I'll go with agnostic...
I don't think I would fit into the atheist frame since I'm not willing rule out anything... Then again, I suppose maybe I would fit the atheist category instead, because I would think even though there may be things at work that appear to be spiritual or god like, it's just we don't understand enough to be able to comprehend it ourselves, but there is in fact nothing magical/spiritual/whatever about it... I dunno, whatever. I'm stupid.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:57 PM
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12. Interesting Poll Results
"I believe in some kind of God, energy or supernatural force, just not in organized religion." Is (as I type this) in a solid 2nd place! Not sure what to make of that stat, interesting though.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:00 PM
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13. agnostic
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:01 PM
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14. Christian...
but not what most would consider "orthodox." My approach to it is mystical, philosophical and psychological, not literal. There is a long tradition of this kind of interpretation. Sadly, most Americans know nothing of this, and assume that moronic fundamentalism is the whole story.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:01 PM
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15. I have to admit I am a doubting Thomasina.
I was raised Christian because my Jewish great-great grandfather married a Swedish Protestant. Why is it all religions in the world think they are the one that is the true religion? Who wrote the Bible? Who wrote the Koran? Why do we pray to a male god instead of a female god? What if the rules we have been taught turn out to be fake? Why do certain Christian churches think if one doesn't belong to them everyone will go to hell and look down on ones who don't attend their church. When I fly I wear my Star of David earrings and a cross around my neck. Is it smart to hedge our bets by doing that sort of thing? I think when all is said and done none of us knows.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:15 PM
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48. I reject Pauline Christianity out of hand but honor Jesus as my rabbi
and his family, especially James as my mentors spiritually. I love God without the impediment of religious structures getting into the way.
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:50 PM
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57. God was created in Man's image
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 03:52 PM by Poseidan
The Lord saith, "Kings = Lords". Satan is the personification of evil/pain. It is well-established, religion was created by men, usually under direction of royalty or other bodies of governance, to assist the subjugation of servants and slaves; religions certainly have no legitimate divine providence. When the United States was formed, it was determined government had reached such an advanced state, religion was no longer needed.

Although, try explaining it to brain-washed religious people... they will deny, doubt and delude until they literally freak-out.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:03 PM
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17. Buddhist Atheist.
Or maybe an Atheist Buddhist. Ah screw it, I worship at the noodley appendages of the FSM.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:04 PM
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19. #7 and #9 are similar choices.
#7 describes an agnostic.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:14 PM
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21. I have to disagree
I am strongly #7 but do not consider myself Agnostic. I take it as an agnostic doubts the existence of "God" but someone who believes in something like a universal spirit or consciousness believes in this power, but does not believe in the entirely man-made religions of our immature human race. Just an opinion. I love thinking of consciousness and potential implications, I get sick to my stomach when I think of organized religion.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:31 PM
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30. An agnostic admits he/she "does not know".
I call myself an agnostic because I believe in a divine consciousness, but I think every man-made religion on earth is, at best, wrong and flawed. It's so much easier to say "I'm agnostic" than to elaborate an explanation anytime someone asks. :)
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:28 PM
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29. Actually, they are not.
I am a #7, but I am definitely not a #9.

I know there is a force of some sort that binds us all together that is a positive force, and negativity comes when there is a disconnect between your human thoughts and the wavelength (if you will) of this force. Any religion that believes one way is better than another misses the point.

I don't think agnostic is described by the above statement.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:39 PM
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36. Agnostic is not the same as atheist.
But, I see what you are saying. #7 is more confident that there is a god-like-force, while #9, agnostic, is less committed to any supernatural beliefs at all.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:17 PM
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22. If one tells the truth, we're all agnostic.
Not to say we can't follow a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddist, Hindu et al philosophy for our lives. But face it: we don't know, we don't have enough info on which to base a conclusion, and once we realise we don't need supernatural crutches for comfort, and humans aren't superior with a manifest destiny, life gets a lot simpler and comes right into harmony.

Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we believe. What we DO with our lives is gonna be the same, regardless. Everyone wants to live each day to its fullest, find our own happiness, make the ones we love happy, and optimise every minute we've been given. Because if you think God gave you this life, then He gave you this brain to question, be curious and take you on a journey. To waste it is to dishonour God. And if you are an Atheist, then you want to savour every moment of life, because it's all we have. Even if you believe in reincarnation, you still wanna do as much as possible in this life so there are fewer lessons to be learned next time around.

So see? This is my philosophy: stop worrying and start living! No matter what waits for us after death, let's relish what we have in life right now!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:22 PM
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25. If I could rec a post, I would
nicely put.

I am much more aggressively anti-religion, however. Catholic upbringings bring that out in a person.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:47 PM
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38. Thanx!
I'm not in love with Organised Religion either, I see it as mind control, a way to keep us sated and stupid. Because to be alive is to be curious, to fight for knowledge regardless of the obstacles. Religion does the opposite. It says: "Don't worry, we have the answers to everything in this Book. Just follow and don't ask questions of our Omnipotent Creator". And especially if you brainwash children, make the Church the centre of the community, and socially exile anyone who doesn't participate.

Recovery from that kind of brainwashing takes decades though! I'm almost 54, and as little as 15 years ago I was arguing with my Atheist ex-husband about the existence of God. I think once my ego started diminishing (and age is a great humbler!) it was easier to reconcile the fact that humans are not special, that we are all beholden to the same laws of nature as everything else on this planet, I lost the need to believe I had a higher purpose.

I can say, that when my Atheist mom died in 2007, I gleaned more comfort in understanding the cycles of nature than I would in thinking she was sitting on the right hand of God at the Big Table!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:24 PM
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26. I'm "other", in this case, meaning UU
and my feelings about God are kinda complicated.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:35 PM
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31. I identify with the pagans
Although as a Western Ceremonialist I'm actually part of a very minor subset.

There should be no 'organized religion'. There is no need to seek god in a church. If you need companionship, than mutual societies not unlike the covens I know are a better bet. Churches should be taxed and judged by the IRS on how much of their money goes to charity.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:36 PM
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32. Raised born again Christian. Grew up Atheist.
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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:36 PM
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33. My mind says Agnostic
But if I were to follow any traditions it would be Native American and Celtic since those are in my heritage, and (especially the NA) have much to say on the environment and life in general.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:39 PM
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35. I'm a Jewish Atheist. You left out that category.
:)

--IMM
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:07 PM
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43. Yeah. Me too.
:)
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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:10 PM
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44. Me three
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:44 PM
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37. Atheist nt
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mr1956 Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:00 PM
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39. Definitely #7
I don't like organized religion, but I know there is something greater than us. To me, organized religion has shown itself to be about power on earth more often than not.

I don't need anyone to interpret any spiritual text or act as an intercessor in my conversations with God. I believe there is one God, no matter what name you use to identify Him/Her. My beliefs fall outside the mainstream and that's just fine with me.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:00 PM
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40. Other: Wiccan
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:03 PM
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41. Im a agnostic Buddhist... n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:05 PM
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42. I'm basically a pagan who loves to sing Christmas carols and old, old
celtic hymns. So I can't give up Christianity altogether. And I appreciate the true message of Jesus, not the one that my fundie relatives preach.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:12 PM
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46. Jewish/other
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:18 PM
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50. I'm an atheist/recovering Catholic.
The lingering sense of guilt will always be with me, but now I just punish myself instead.
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:19 PM
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51. Mostly agnostic
But still clinging to the last vestiges of theology in the form of Deism - just like most of the Founding Fathers!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:20 PM
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52. I am a follower of Jesus of Nazareth's teachings, but I am not really a christian
I don't worship Jesus, I worship God. I believe in Jesus' teachings about God, but I recognize that Jesus was a man.


A good book I read recently on the topic was by John Shelby Spong, who is going to be at my church in November.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:31 PM
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54. You forgot Catholic on your survey
Yes, while technically we are "Christian", Catholics identify as Catholics, not as "Christians", there is a VERY large difference between the Catholic church and Christian ones.
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mrih Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:37 PM
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55. Incomplete list... kinda
I am a Deist, chose OTHER.
.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:41 PM
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56. The only one that makes any kind of sense.
Yep, you guessed it.
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:23 PM
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61. Christian who believes
that Jesus was the ultimate liberal
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:48 PM
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64. Yog-Sothoth is my Copilot
Actually, I'm an atheist with Cthulhuist leanings.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:57 PM
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65. Pagan/Wiccan
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:59 PM
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66. I'm a Godisdeadist.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:03 PM
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67. All of the above?
I believe in all of them. Not that they are right, merely that they exist.
I believe in the existence of all gods. They all exist in my head, just like the word "abstract", the existence of which word I also believe in.

Today, I think I'm leaning toward Hinduism emotionally... but the Flying Spaghetti Monster is pencilled in for later this week (about the only God who can reconcile the absurdity of listening to McCain try to make sense in a debate...).
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BabbaTam Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:33 PM
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68. some other something
I was raised in the church. We went three times a week. I learned the golden rule which is what I consider the real magic. I learned respect for all life (including bugs)from the Hindu experience of my hippie years. I believe there are miracles in all religions which are probably quantum events that we don't completely grok yet. I believe that these events are assigned to be the proofs that 'God' is on our side and that's why we fight. Because we have seen the proof that 'God' is real and responds to us, we will fight to the death to defend 'our God'. If we could sit down and talk about our experiences with 'God', maybe we could come to a more complete understanding of what is happening in our world. I believe that I heard the other day that the Hopi and the Tibetans have recently discovered that their religions are remarkably similar. You can see parallels in primitive cultures also. Check out "The Way of the Shaman". The author concludes that there are basic principles that run through all cultures that have probably been discovered empirically. I have recently discovered that you can chose to be happy. I just decided one day to go around smiling and blowing off all my worries. I didn't think it would really work, but it did and was very easy to do. Try it, you'll like it. (It's a more sustainable position):)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:48 PM
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69. Religion has nothing to do with God, and vice versa.
That's about as plain as it can be said.
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:55 PM
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70. Doesn't matter what we believe in...
... as long as we understand the planet is non-sustainable. I hope all very religious christians and muslims reading this, get it. :)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:57 PM
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71. You didn't have a choice for Pagan so I picked "believe in God just not organized religion..."
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:08 PM
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72. It is possible to be both agnostic and atheist simultaneously..
In the same manner that it is possible to be both theist and agnostic at the same time.

An agnostic atheist such as myself realizes that it is impossible to be absolutely sure there there is not (or is) a god but lacks belief in a god or gods anyway. The agnostic theist is the flip side, know it's impossible to ever be sure but believes in spite of that.

And there is a subtle but distinct difference between believing that there is no god and not believing in a god. One is a positive belief (I believe there is no god) and the other is simply a lack of belief (I don't believe in god).



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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:10 PM
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73. Eastern Orthodox Christian.
We're the more mystic side of the faith.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:27 PM
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Where's the choice for Athe-agnositic-secular humanism?
I have too much in common with the overlapping tenets of the "Big Three": atheism, agnosticism and secular humanism.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:27 PM
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74. Pagan of a sort
All I need is the Eternal Sky and the Endless Earth :)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:32 PM
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75. Christian (Catholic) n/t
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:34 PM
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76. I believe in humanity.
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:07 PM
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79. Me too... somehow I do.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:42 PM
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77. Dionysianism... here's a photo of me worshipping:
:D




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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:20 PM
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80. ROFLMFAO!
Geaux Swampy! Gimme dat ole' time religion!
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:56 PM
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78. Secular Humanist
Voted as 'other'.

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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:26 PM
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81. Liberal Christian...Our church has been performing Gay/Lesbian weddings here in San Diego.
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 07:29 PM by tjwash
We have been coming under a lot of fire from the majority of other churches in the area, not to mention the other bigoted assholes in the area. The latter is giving us all sorts of fun. The usual...bomb threats, hang up calls, "fuck you we are coming to kill you and your family" calls.

Lovely people the conservative denominations.

Fuck those bigoted assholes...we are gonna keep doing it.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:29 PM
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82. I have a problem labeling myself an atheist.
The problem with the word atheism is that it establishes theism as the standard by which everything else is defined. Kind of like calling a person of color non-white. But I have yet to come up with a commonly-understood word to replace atheism.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:55 AM
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99. Humanist?
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:39 PM
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83. I really like Native American spiritual traditions...
and my favorite is: Don't listen to someone who doesn't make sense. But I am fluent in several of the Buddhist and Christian sects, and I know enough Judaism or Hinduism to get by at a Temple. Frankly, I like spiritual traditions, I don't much care for religions.

Bill
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:44 PM
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84. I've long thought at least half of the country was not religious at all-perhaps this poll proves it,
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 07:51 PM by TheGoldenRule
though I realize it's not "scientific".



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VeggieTart Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:53 PM
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85. Raised Jewish, now agnostic
I don't think it's possible to know whether or not there is a god, but I do believe in higher powers--ask the folks who flee hurricanes every year.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:40 AM
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86. Whoa! Eight Buddhists and only one Jew so far??
That is way skewed. This poll looks about as accurate as the ones AOL posts.

But nicer. Much, much nicer.


:hide:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:59 AM
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87. I think #7 & #9 are the same thing. n/t
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:37 AM
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89. atheist and agnostic are very different things
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:41 AM
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94. Yes they are, but neither #7 nor #9 are atheist. n/t
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:42 AM
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98. I misread your post.
I thought it said 7,8, 9.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:08 AM
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96. 7 is someone who's certain there is a God, but doesn't assign the God to a particular faith....
Agnostic, as I understand it, is someone who just doesn't know whether there is or isn't.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:59 AM
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100. Ah, gotcha.
In that case, I guess I'm an agnostic atheist, in that I'm not sure that there is nothing, but I am sure none of the religions is right.

(With the exception of Buddhism, in that it seems to be a life philosophy rather than the worship of some fantastic uber-being).


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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:25 AM
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88. Attend a Unitarian church, consider myself Christian/Buddhist with dangerous pagan tendancies
n/t
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:44 AM
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90. To claim you know there is a creator is just as ridiculous to claim you know there isn't. IMO
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:57 AM
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92. Agnostic
Who really knows?
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:03 AM
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93. No religous preference
I don't know which one is correct.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:36 AM
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97. I subscribe to the Woody Guthrie approach to religion . . .
while being admitted to a hospital, Woody was asked to provide information to an admitting clerk, who asked him a series of questions, one of which was "Religion?" . . .

to which Woody replied "All." . . .

"Oh, Mr. Guthrie," said the clerk, obviously taken aback. "I can't put 'All' on the form."

"Then just put 'None,'" Woody replied.

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