Question: Bush's Torture Team aka The Principals Committee

[Solly Mack]

Poll question: Question: Bush's Torture Team aka The Principals Committee

Poll Question: Did the Bush administration members who "discussed and approved specific details of how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency" engage in war crimes?

"Highly placed sources said a handful of top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top al Qaeda suspects -- whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding."





If your thinking has changed over time - why?



My answer

Yes (Always/Still do)

[Solly Mack]

1. Enhanced poll kicking technique

No organs were damaged in the kicking of this thread...besides, I kicked it in good faith

[Karenina]

3. Yes.

:kick:

[Solly Mack]

5. HAPPY BIRTHDAY to YOU!!!!!!!

[Karenina]

34. Thanks! I ate the whole thing!

:kick:

[Solly Mack]

2. Gee...maybe I should have posted this a few days ago

[Cerridwen]

4. Kicking

for an inconvenient truth or two winding through that story.

[Solly Mack]

6. Thank you, Cerridwen!

:D

[Cerridwen]

7. I was gonna say

"You betcha!" much like I used to. Now it's associated with ms. hate-for-brains I may not be able to use it for a while. :(

Bad enough she gives women, feminists, Alaskans, and hockey moms a bad name (not to mention the rest of the list), but did she really have to sully the language, too?!

:rofl:

[Solly Mack]

8. I know!!! I used to like saying it too...but now...damn polar bear killer

I did use it earlier..tongue-in-cheek...and I actually cringed using it

[Cerridwen]

10. "Yah, sure, ya bettcha." We're been watching the Stargate series

on DVD. O'Neill says it frequently and that's where I was "getting" it. Pisses me off I can't pay 'tribute' to O'Neill (are there fish or aren't there?) because of the wolf-killer.

Well, that and the whole fascist angle. *snort*

[Solly Mack]

12. Pure poison she is...kill-joy.

[Cerridwen]

13. "Indeed"

:D

[Solly Mack]

17. hehehehehehehe

[EFerrari]

9. I hope Obama asks Powell if anyone is still being tortured to his knowledge

before he gives him the keys to the clubhouse.

[Solly Mack]

11. Oh, I have a clubhouse in mind

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Given his performance at the UN, his answer would be suspect.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Aw, c'mon. They just made a teensy mistake and "meant well".

Now, in the spirit of forgiveness, we should embrace them....if they endorse "our" guy.

[Solly Mack]

16. Yes....."mistakes were made" in "good faith"

and because a lawyer said they could do it. Goodness knows when my accountant says it's OK to cheat on my taxes I figure he knows what he's doing.

Dunno about that forgiveness thing...Let's ask the people tortured...in fact, let's get the Torture Team to ask them face to face. I'm sure they would dearly love to embrace the torture policy makers.

[countryjake]

18. Great Poll question. Isn't it odd how little response you're getting?

I have a feeling that we're witnessing the "sweeping under the rug" of every deliberate horrific action that the prez and his gang exacted on the world and our own country during these past eight years. And it's actually the same old excuse...for the votes, toss out the principles, overlook the outrages, excuse the crimes...some will do anything for power. I thought that taking impeachment off the table was unconscionable but this latest now, this "embracing" of one of the very top instigator criminals, for an endorsement, simply because he spoke the words that many of us have been shouting from the rooftops for literally years, now (and we've been condemned by our leading party members for being too vocal on such issues)!

It makes me want to puke, mainly cause I can see what's probably coming, a bit further down the road.

Thanks for trying to make such an important point. The distinction is obvious to me and it's a damn shame that it's over the heads of so many!

[Solly Mack]

20. You know how people sometimes wonder why former members

of corrupt administrations always seem to come back? "How can they be back in office after what they did?" "How did we ever come to this?" "What happened to our country?"

I don't wonder about the why because I already know why - they're never held accountable and they and their actions are legitimized because of it. Kissinger (and not just him) was on a panel not too long ago with other former Secretaries of State....given an audience and his opinion solicited...a kind of let's hear what these "great" Americans have to say...as if he had done nothing wrong. The thing is, many people don't know how bad Kissinger is because he was never held accountable and the truth was left to books that people could dismiss or just not read. His crimes became a matter of rumor and speculation because of the lack of accountability.

By pretending that people in government haven't committed crimes and by not holding them accountable, America legitimizes the guilty. Props them up to come back around again.

Anyway...Thank you, countryjake!!

[Swamp Rat]

19. Nothing can change the fact that Bushler&Co. are war criminals.

Absolutely nothing.

[Solly Mack]

21. True

[Swamp Rat]

22. Oh yeah... k&r

I will never let my fellow Americans forget what was done in our name.

Never.

[Solly Mack]

25. Very powerful!!

[Swamp Rat]

26. McFlipFlop was against waterboarding before he was for it.

But what do I know. I only read the senate bills they sign and support. :dunce:

[Solly Mack]

27. Seriously!!!

lol! Love it!!!

[Swamp Rat]

29. You've probably see this too many times, but it belongs in this thread

... I believe. :D

[Solly Mack]

32. I like that one!!!

[countryjake]

28. Whew, that has to be the eeriest & most frightening graphic you've ever created!

Effective to the extreme...thanks for your work, Swampie!

[Swamp Rat]

30. Fortunately, I am not alone in depicting Bushler's war crimes.

I am in excellent company. ;)

[countryjake]

31. Saddest thing is those paintings look like they're from the Dark Ages...

Thanks for cuing me about Botero, I've never heard of him and had no idea that anyone had actually done such a study of the current American Torture, except for that guy who made the poster depicting the hooded Abu Ghraib figure stuck up on the box (and you, of course). I believe that if such honest art on the truly atrocious nature of this government of ours were to become more widespread, more might actually stop, view, and ponder just what we do "stand" for.

I always show your work I see here to pals of mine who have no access to computers and if we could afford the ink, we'd print them up and pass them around. One good old friend looked at your "Fly Boy" picture of McCain and he just loved it...he's a homeless vet with a multitude of problems, but he suggested that you should place a license tag on the front of the car "WW-III" as a warning. Anyway, just saying that what you do is inspiring to more than you'd ever know and I thank you!

[countryjake]

23. One big unabashed KICK! n/t

[librechik]

24. zero tolerance should be our POLICY

and if it happens anyway, those perpetrators should be prosecuted. Let them tell the judge what world-saving information they got which was so necessary. Maybe he'll agree they were heroes, not criminals. You never know. But they should be tried for crimes.

[Solly Mack]

33. That's a scary thought. A justice system that calls torturers heroes.

Oh wait....

[librechik]

35. It would never happen. that's the point. The "24" scenario is fictional.

or should be.